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Why in the world did they just not display it in the drop down menu appearing something similar to:
"Maximum Battery Time: xx:xx"
instead of just removing it. That way users can still use it as a metric, yet understand that its a best case scenario.
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No reason for me to upgrade on either my MacBook Air or iMac 5K - there's nothing in this update that I use anyway.
 
The battery on mine lasts less than 3 hours sitting on the desktop, no programs running. If this update doesn't fix that, it's going back to the store tonight.
Mine runs 15 hours under the same conditions. You should return yours.
 
What a mess. certainly there is no quality control on these products and services. Instead of removing the inaccurate indicator, give the user (us) an indicator at what may be affected, that'd would certainly ease more minds than not. If it is in fact a service (iCloud, Photos, whatever), then the user can make the decision if its worth it to remain on battery or pause these instances if necessary/able to.

Apple was so intricate with their products and software. Hate to see this happening...they need a true innovator, not a corporate numbers guy.
 
Are they planning to remove time estimates for file copy and software updates as well? They seem to be inaccurate from time to time. Heck, the 10.12.2 update said "Less than a minute" for more than 6 minutes during the installation.

This is obviously to hide the fact that slimmer and lighter laptops give a more poor battery performance, but doesn't look good in the comparison charts. I would be perfectly fine if they had stated a more realistic 8 hours in their specifications.

I dunno Macrumors should write an article about it and get everyone all worked up, that'll get the ball rolling
 
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its always been a problem, no one notices until macrumors posts an article about it. Apple has always stated that it is ESTIMATED time remaining based on what is currently running, figuring users were smart enough to know what that means. but since that is apparently not the case, and it was pretty inaccurate, they took it out

Don't try and tell me that there were people out there with at least half a brain who didn't know it wasn't an estimated battery remaining. It was never a problem.
 
A kind of Deja Vu...

Remember was it maybe about iPhone 4 with the cellular bars issue being that many people seemed to get less bars than they did before that incarnation of iOS. As such, they were also claiming reception and dropped-call issues were more problematic than before because the signal was so weak. Apple said that "bug" would be fixed with a software update.

I remember thinking at the time: I wonder if they are going to fix something making the cellular reception actually weaker than normal or if they are just going to (placebo) change how reception is measured so that 3 bars visually becomes 5, 2 bars becomes 4, etc.

After the update, the problems appeared pretty much solved. We never knew if it was a placebo or tangible software fix. I personally suspect many people just really needed to see more bars.
 
Wow! I thought we were trying not promote fake news. /s

Windows figured this out years ago. Is it really that complicated? LMAO

Isn't this like putting a piece of tape over your check engine light?
 
its always been a problem, no one notices until macrumors posts an article about it. Apple has always stated that it is ESTIMATED time remaining based on what is currently running, figuring users were smart enough to know what that means. but since that is apparently not the case, and it was pretty inaccurate, they took it out
I understand, but the battery percentage isn't much different, yet that remains. My percentage is always off by 3-10% or so from the actual capacity remaining as reported by System Information at any given time. They're both estimates that may be somewhat or greatly off the mark, that doesn't mean they can't leave them as a toggle for those that use them, especially after letting it become an established feature over the years.
 
A kind of Deja Vu...

Remember was it maybe about iPhone 4 with the cellular bars issue being that many people seemed to get less bars than they did before that incarnation of iOS. As such, they were also claiming reception and dropped-call issues were more problematic than before because the signal was so weak. Apple said that "bug" would be fixed with a software update.

I remember thinking at the time: I wonder if they are going to fix something making the cellular reception actually weaker than normal or if they are just going to (placebo) change how reception is measured so that 3 bars visually becomes 5, 2 bars becomes 4, etc.

After the update, the problems appeared pretty much solved. We never knew if it was a placebo or tangible software fix. I personally suspect many people just really needed to see more bars.

I mentioned that earlier in the thread.

Same thing.

Smoke and Mirrors.
 
Petty? More like Apple's got something to hide although pretty much everyone knows Apple's obsession with thinness has resulted in poor battery life across all their products so why they're trying to hide it I've no idea
That's my point, people complained about battery life and all of sudden the battery indicator was changed so it no longer showed time remaining
 
Ok Jony Ive. If that is your real name. /kidding Kidding
I was serious. I sat the machine down, and set it not to sleep. With the brightness at about 50%, it lasted 15 hours before it shut down. The estimated life never showed more than 6-7 hours. It's the estimate that's inaccurate.
 
you do understand that there is still a percentage right? which is way more accurate than "time remaining" in the first place? If they were covering up, they would be removing the percentage too. but go ahead and jump on this bandwagon

I think the issue being poked at here is that the marketing doesn't spin: "100% battery life when fully charged"

In other words, it's the marketing claim that makes this an issue. See Plutonius excellent analogy up in post #155.
 
I am so glad I didn't "upgrade" to Sierra. **** this **** with a rake.
I didn't upgrade. There's one thing that I've learned in being a Mac user over the last 10 years is never rush to upgrade.

I have a Mac Mini on 10.9.5, a 2012 non retina MBP on El Capitan and my 2016 is also on El Capitan. I don't regret staying where they are. Things like this confirm I made the right choice.
 
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