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Should the macOS Sierra Theme Also Be Developed For Tiger?


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I have an idea: Perhaps for next year's 10.13 theme, we could modify the actual programs. For example, update some images in the Calculator program to make it look more like the newest version. Please don't try it for this year's Sierra theme, I can't stand any more delays. :p
 
Here's where I'm at so far with my mods-

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Nice! Looking great. Oh, and how's your progress on the dock?

Currently running some tests. It appears that the width of the pngs used is what causes the desktop problem, but I have to test a few other things to be sure.

(I see from my screenshot above that my Photoshop color profiles got a bit mixed. I need to replace the check buttons and progress indicators that I used anyway, to unify the color and fix a couple of glitches, but my increasingly poor eyesight isn't exactly helping, and my 12" Powerbook is getting a new screen today that'll help...)
 
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if ou see the previous posts in page 5 , i manged to replace all the Docks png so that it look much better . Stacks are readable now, and the dock is much more consistent.
Ps: tested on my powerbook 12'
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Yes, I saw your dock, and thanks for the new stacks, they look much more like real Sierra ones. But I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the bug where you can't click things a little bit above the dock. For example, if I'm on MacRumors and the "Post Reply" button is at the bottom of the screen, right above the dock, it wouldn't be clickable unless I shrink the dock. I hope this clears up confusion.

Oh, and I've also been working on a dock using some of your resources (merged some different versions together). Would you mind if I released it?
 
Yes, I saw your dock, and thanks for the new stacks, they look much more like real Sierra ones. But I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the bug where you can't click things a little bit above the dock. For example, if I'm on MacRumors and the "Post Reply" button is at the bottom of the screen, right above the dock, it wouldn't be clickable unless I shrink the dock. I hope this clears up confusion.

Oh, and I've also been working on a dock using some of your resources (merged some different versions together). Would you mind if I released it?

I've done a ton of experiments with the dock to figure out the issue.

The problem with the dock is that it's coded in a way that anything filling up the center of it will cause the problem of not being able to click anything a few pixels above it. If you want a lookalike dock, you'll just have to hide it when it's not being used... unless someone can figure out how to change the shade from black to something else. It's hard-coded somewhere...
 
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I've done a ton of experiments with the dock to figure out the issue.

The problem with the dock is that it's coded in a way that anything filling up the center of it will cause the problem of not being able to click anything a few pixels above it. If you want a lookalike dock, you'll just have to hide it when it's not being used... unless someone can figure out how to change the shade from black to something else. It's hard-coded somewhere...
Well, I think it's worth it, the dock (to me) is a very important part of the theme. All you have to do is resize your windows.
 
@swamprock, remember the SArtFile you made? That changed the window frames? Well, I was experiencing crashing is random areas on my iBook G4, like in certain System Prefs. panes and Mail. A reboot didn't help. So I replaced your modified SArtFile with the original Leopard one and the crashing stopped. So, your SArtFile is causing crashing. If you'd like a complete list of every crash I've discovered so far I can make one. Thanks for your effort, though!
 
Yes, I saw your dock, and thanks for the new stacks, they look much more like real Sierra ones. But I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the bug where you can't click things a little bit above the dock. For example, if I'm on MacRumors and the "Post Reply" button is at the bottom of the screen, right above the dock, it wouldn't be clickable unless I shrink the dock. I hope this clears up confusion.

Oh, and I've also been working on a dock using some of your resources (merged some different versions together). Would you mind if I released it?
hey sorry i didn't realize you where talking about that bug. I won't mind at all if you upload your version, its gonna be awesome in the how the dock has became closer to modern macs.
concerning the bug, thats because in order to make the dock white, the png must be larger, and the transparent parte get on the way.The only two solutions i see to correct this are:
1) remove the system dock background and script a program that has a white background, such as the leopard theme for OS X tiger. maybe get that program and replace the leopard background inside it. the theme is called Liger i guess
2) make the dock always in the back of every window
 
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Great! Anyway, here's my dock release. It basically takes the actual dock and keeps the original, but updates the stacks so that they're readable. I pretty much combined the best resources from dock 1 and dock 2. Here are some screenshots from my iBook:
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I think it looks as close as we're going to get unless someone can blur the dock background. Installation is easy. Navigate to /System/Library/CoreServices/ and right-click "Dock". Click "Show Package Contents". Now go into Contents and delete the Resources folder entirely. Now drag in my new Resources folder and kill the dock via Terminal (or just log out and log back in). Now you should have the dock pictured above. I hope you like it! If you mess up your dock, I'm not responsible. Feel free to use this in the final theme if you want. Just be sure to credit me.
EDIT: If this is the first time you're installing the dock, be sure to enable the 2D dock via Terminal. Google it.
 

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@swamprock, remember the SArtFile you made? That changed the window frames? Well, I was experiencing crashing is random areas on my iBook G4, like in certain System Prefs. panes and Mail. A reboot didn't help. So I replaced your modified SArtFile with the original Leopard one and the crashing stopped. So, your SArtFile is causing crashing. If you'd like a complete list of every crash I've discovered so far I can make one. Thanks for your effort, though!

I've run some tests myself, and you're absolutely right. Even after chmod-ding the modded files and a permissions repair, the same apps and system prefs crash (sharing, Address Book, etc.). Therefore, no one should use that file, and I'll edit the post to reflect that.

And with that, I'm bowing out of my Extras mods as well. I've gone as far as I can with them, and the only real theming that anyone is going to get is from using the ArtFile and SArtFile and modding them. Disabling CoreUI causes problems in Leopard that obviously compromises the stability of the system.

It was fun making all of these discoveries, though. I hope that this stuff, at the very least, helped unlock SOME of the secrets to Leopard's UI theming.

Here is my final Extras.rsrc. I have started modding the scroll bars, but they're a tad inaccurate (i.e. the caps) due to many of the resources being stored in ArtFile.bin. They aren't that noticeable, though. The big button caps, progress indicators, and other miscellaneous items are finished. Other than the smaller cap buttons and arrow drop-downs, this is as far as it's going to go. The ArtFiles should be used from now on for mods, and I may explore that if I have time.

This theme looks fantastic on Tiger, and I've noticed no UI or app issues there, as there aren't any artfiles (CoreUI) on Tiger to reference. I've done some mods to the search.bundle (Spotlight) and Finder.rsrc on Tiger for a couple of minor UI changes as well. I'll post those in a separate thread with instructions if there's a desire to try them out. I may pick up and finish this theme for Tiger, if not just for myself, but for others as well if they're interested.

Once again, I am not responsible if your system gets hosed by using this file.
 

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This theme looks fantastic on Tiger, and I've noticed no UI or app issues there, as there aren't any artfiles (CoreUI) on Tiger to reference. I've done some mods to the search.bundle (Spotlight) and Finder.rsrc on Tiger for a couple of minor UI changes as well. I'll post those in a separate thread with instructions if there's a desire to try them out. I may pick up and finish this theme for Tiger, if not just for myself, but for others as well if they're interested.
The Finder and Spotlight files would be a great release! Please do post them! Thanks.
 
The Finder and Spotlight files would be a great release! Please do post them! Thanks.

Will do. I need to fix up the Finder.rsrc though. The buttons are square at the moment and I want to round them out a bit to match the others. I get this done tonight.

I've decided to continue working on the Extras.rsrc and the other resource files, but my version of the theme will be for Tiger PPC only. I've gotten pretty far on it (the scroll bars have been fixed) and really only have the drop-down arrows and other minor things to finish up. No point in stopping now...
 
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Will do. I need to fix up the Finder.rsrc though. The buttons are square at the moment and I want to round them out a bit to match the others. I get this done tonight.

I've decided to continue working on the Extras.rsrc and the other resource files, but my version of the theme will be for Tiger PPC only. I've gotten pretty far on it (the scroll bars have been fixed) and really only have the drop-down arrows and other minor things to finish up. No point in stopping now...
Alright, great to hear you're going to keep doing Extras files! Maybe you could help them out on a Tiger version of the theme.
 
OK, so I modified the About This Mac screen to be a little bit more realistic. There are a few small changes, the most notable being that I removed the word "Leopard" entirely. This theme is meant to cover that up. :) There a a few other small changes also. I figured I'd upload it because why not? Install it the same way you did the last one.
If @SourceSunTom or anybody else working on the theme wants me to take this down, just ask. EDIT: Here's a screenshot.
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OK, so I modified the About This Mac screen to be a little bit more realistic. There are a few small changes, the most notable being that I removed the word "Leopard" entirely. This theme is meant to cover that up. :) There a a few other small changes also. I figured I'd upload it because why not? Install it the same way you did the last one.
If @SourceSunTom or anybody else working on the theme wants me to take this down, just ask.
Screenshot?
 
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Oh, and will a welcome video be included? That would be a nice addition when @Orizence makes his Leopard install disc. Many of them had been made in the El Cap thread. This one is my favorite: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6y9a7dh951j45zz/El Capitain.mp4?dl=0
We already discussed that earlier, and yes, there were already a few ideas pitched. I even described precisely what codec was used for the original and was able to shoehorn a custom one in with no issues. The only demand for the video itself is that the audio is in a separate audio file, and that it must fade to black as the original video does that too, because the first window pops up on a black backdrop.
 
We already discussed that earlier, and yes, there were already a few ideas pitched. I even described precisely what codec was used for the original and was able to shoehorn a custom one in with no issues. The only demand for the video itself is that the audio is in a separate audio file, and that it must fade to black as the original video does that too, because the first window pops up on a black backdrop.
Sorry, I was unaware that this was already discussed. Thanks!
 
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