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That made no sense whatsoever. Care to elaborate?
Maybe ditching intel was not a whimsical decision but something that is helping Apple build better computers in the long run.

Nevertheless, putting a 5 year tag EOL means prematurely deprecating valuable devices, some of which could still be working many more years.

It is a questionable planned obsolescence practice from a company which prides itself in being ecologically responsible. In the last product presentation last September, the CEO represented a mock footprint audit from Mother Nature in person, represented by an actress.

In the sketch, Mother Nature seems to reluctantly accept the corporate practices, mainly Because the planned obsolescence practices are not mentioned in the script. Now that we are aware of them, Mother Nature should know as well. And she should not be happy about it. In order to appease her disappointment, she should be granted a sum of money
 
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Maybe ditching intel was not a whimsical decision but something that is helping Apple build better computers in the long run.

Nevertheless, putting a 5 year tag EOL means prematurely deprecating valuable devices, some of which could still be working many more years.

It is a questionable planned obsolescence practice from a company which prides itself in being ecologically responsible. In the last product presentation last September, the CEO represented a mock footprint audit from Mother Nature in person, represented by an actress.

In the sketch, Mother Nature seems to reluctantly accept the corporate practices, mainly Because the planned obsolescence practices are not mentioned in the script. Now that we are aware of them, Mother Nature should know as well. And she should not be happy about it. In order to appease her disappointment, she should be granted a sum of money

If Intel processors could do what Apple Silicon does and performed even nearly as well, I could get on board with this argument.

But as it stands, I find it understandable that Apple drew the line somewhere, as they are dealing with an absolute mountain of complexity with moving their product line forward.

But hey, the good news is that you can always install Windows or Linux on those machines, so they won't go to waste... unless, of course, you choose to let them ;)
 
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Maybe ditching intel was not a whimsical decision but something that is helping Apple build better computers in the long run.
I don't know if it will make "better" computers, but Steve Jobs had always said he envisioned the Macintosh as an appliance. The move to custom processors fulfills that vision.

I thought the idea here was going to be there'd be a new model every year, like a car, so when you were in the market for a new computer, you could just get the latest one. The issue with Intel was you'd go years without updates. But I'm not sure if this will actually happen.
 
a company which prides itself in being ecologically responsible
A company that engages in greenwashing, like all the others. Claiming it was all about the environment when they took away cables from some of their products. The real reason was to charge you for them by selling them separately. But it was easy to spin into "helping the environment." I think people fell for it at first, then they quickly realized what it was all about.

Like all other social issues, Apple only cares so long as it doesn't hurt their bottom line. They're a corporation, I don't blame them for this. But you can only fool people for so long.
 
I don't know if it will make "better" computers, but Steve Jobs had always said he envisioned the Macintosh as an appliance. The move to custom processors fulfills that vision.

What? How does making their own chips (they don’t, TSMC actually fabricates them) fulfill any vision of Steve Jobs’? Lots of commoditized appliances use components manufactured by third parties.

I thought the idea here was going to be there'd be a new model every year, like a car, so when you were in the market for a new computer, you could just get the latest one. The issue with Intel was you'd go years without updates. But I'm not sure if this will actually happen.

Again, what? When was this a stated goal of Apple’s?”
 
A company that engages in greenwashing, like all the others. Claiming it was all about the environment when they took away cables from some of their products. The real reason was to charge you for them by selling them separately. But it was easy to spin into "helping the environment." I think people fell for it at first, then they quickly realized what it was all about.

Like all other social issues, Apple only cares so long as it doesn't hurt their bottom line. They're a corporation, I don't blame them for this. But you can only fool people for so long.

Absolutism is a mistake whichever side is doing it.
 
Again, what? When was this a stated goal of Apple’s?”
It wasn't a stated goal, it was something I assumed was partially the reason for moving to their own processors. Previously, they were bottlenecked by Intel, sometimes not having a new model for 2-3 years at a time. By having their own processors, they can follow their own schedule. They typically do annual hardware updates, so the assumption here was the Macintosh would work the same way. The first year is the M1, the next year is the M2, and so on. This may not happen but it seemed like an advantage relating to what they wanted to do.
How does making their own chips (they don’t, TSMC actually fabricates them) fulfill any vision of Steve Jobs’?
Steve Jobs believed heavily in controlling every aspect of the computer, from the hardware to the software. Apple making their own processors to power their own hardware and drive their own software makes it very appliance-like and certainly seems like something Jobs would have wanted to do.
 
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It wasn't a stated goal, it was something I assumed was partially the reason for moving to their own processors. Previously, they were bottlenecked by Intel, sometimes not having a new model for 2-3 years at a time. By having their own processors, they can follow their own schedule. They typically do annual hardware updates, so the assumption here was the Macintosh would work the same way. The first year is the M1, the next year is the M2, and so on. This may not happen but it seemed like an advantage relating to what they wanted to do.

As I understand it Intel was not developing chips fast enough. However, Apple’s efforts have not exceeded Intel’s road map in terms of speed and processing power, so the change is more about software integration than anything else. The idea that there would be a new chip every year? This is the first time I’ve heard anyone make that assertion.

Steve Jobs believed heavily in controlling every aspect of the computer, from the hardware to the software. Apple making their own processors to power their own hardware and drive their own software makes it very appliance-like and certainly seems like something Jobs would have wanted to do.

Appliance = commodity, not “all parts made in house.”

And again, Apple doesn’t own chip fabs. They design the circuits but they don’t make the actual chips.
 
This is the first time I’ve heard anyone make that assertion.
There's a first time for everything. It's what I believed they would do, it was never a stated goal nor did I have any evidence to back it up, it's just something I figured they would try to do as part of the move to their own processors.
 
shaping up to be a great Mac OS release, could this be the Snow Leopard of recent times?....
 
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My iMac is now literally incompatible with the latest OS.

I’ve used Macs since 1994. Apple had a strong record of supporting legacy hardware that they built up over some 20+ years. My original MacPlus runs system 7, for example.

So yeah. Five years is disgraceful. There’s no reason Apple should stop supporting valid computers.
I've used Apple stuff since the 80s and started with a Classic and used probably every variation of the Mac until 10 years ago. Then they started going all in on soldered components, removing ports and selling products at a premium that were less capable with bigger marketing costs.

Apple don't care about anything but profit and phones now and as long as they can keep pandering to kids and people who want nothing but a status symbol and lap it up, Apple are more than happy to keep ignoring everything else. Apple just can't afford to keep a support team working on backwards compatibility, they have soooo little revenue to spend on that when they have to be paying marketing to sell Titanium products like it isn't something they were making 15 years ago.

Fortunately the fine folks at OpenCore don't ignore everyone else, so as usual where Apple DGAF they will probably step in and make sure Sonoma will run on everything that Apple dropped. Thanks to Opencore I'm running Monterey on my 2012 MBP and it runs perfectly fine and it will be the last Apple machine I buy.

People need to stop supporting this Apple BS, because sooner or later they will leave you out to dry for no reason too.
 
I've used Apple stuff since the 80s and started with a Classic and used probably every variation of the Mac until 10 years ago. Then they started going all in on soldered components, removing ports and selling products at a premium that were less capable with bigger marketing costs.

Apple don't care about anything but profit and phones now and as long as they can keep pandering to kids and people who want nothing but a status symbol and lap it up, Apple are more than happy to keep ignoring everything else. Apple just can't afford to keep a support team working on backwards compatibility, they have soooo little revenue to spend on that when they have to be paying marketing to sell Titanium products like it isn't something they were making 15 years ago.

Fortunately the fine folks at OpenCore don't ignore everyone else, so as usual where Apple DGAF they will probably step in and make sure Sonoma will run on everything that Apple dropped. Thanks to Opencore I'm running Monterey on my 2012 MBP and it runs perfectly fine and it will be the last Apple machine I buy.

People need to stop supporting this Apple BS, because sooner or later they will leave you out to dry for no reason too.
Yeah what’s the alternative?
I tried to do an urgent project using Libreoffice because I didn’t have anything else at hand and ended up wasting a lot of time and, probably, hundreds of thousands of coins
 
I've used Apple stuff since the 80s and started with a Classic and used probably every variation of the Mac until 10 years ago. Then they started going all in on soldered components, removing ports and selling products at a premium that were less capable with bigger marketing costs.

Apple don't care about anything but profit and phones now and as long as they can keep pandering to kids and people who want nothing but a status symbol and lap it up, Apple are more than happy to keep ignoring everything else. Apple just can't afford to keep a support team working on backwards compatibility, they have soooo little revenue to spend on that when they have to be paying marketing to sell Titanium products like it isn't something they were making 15 years ago.

Fortunately the fine folks at OpenCore don't ignore everyone else, so as usual where Apple DGAF they will probably step in and make sure Sonoma will run on everything that Apple dropped. Thanks to Opencore I'm running Monterey on my 2012 MBP and it runs perfectly fine and it will be the last Apple machine I buy.

People need to stop supporting this Apple BS, because sooner or later they will leave you out to dry for no reason too.
I’ve used Apple gear since the early 80s as well and it’s never been better. Honestly the whining and complaining about what they could do better is usually the result of those who don’t comprehend that they cant augment every new release of Mac OS to run flawlessly on machines that, just for one example, run different silicone or lack certain hardware innovations that its predecessors lack.
If you like augmented software that may or may not run flawlessly, that is what the community is for. And there is plenty of talent to draw from in that regard.
Complaining about apples shortcomings with such Bs commentary is at best disingenuous and at worst, a display of almost zero common sense and intellect.
People support their “apple bs” because they are the gold standard on this planet. Don’t agree? Set up a garage in 1976 and make a better company that doesn’t disappoint people like you. 😘
 
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Not sure why I'm replying to this, but the "quick brown fox jumped" example of auto-completion is really a case against auto-completion. lol

Those of us of a certain age will recognize that the correct completion is "jumps". :)
 
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