it's BS to me. I am sure I could run Windows 10 on a pretty old PC.
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it's BS to me. I am sure I could run Windows 10 on a pretty old PC.
They usually provide security updates for a couple more years, so it's not toast (OCLP type stuff aside to have later versions of the OS unofficially) you just start losing access to new capabilities and features. It doesnt stop functioning or even be less secure, for quite a while longer.
The hardware doesnt stop functioning either, you can always put the latest release of your favorite linux distro or windows on the machine right now (and yes, it's absurdly easy to bypass MS' hardware restriction on Win11)
And on the MacOS side OCLP right now gives even 15 year old machines access to the current releases, so if you want MacOS 14 I'd suspect you'll get the ability not soon after the OS is released, there's a lot of impressive folks working on keeping that effort going (that's whole effort that have to be started from near scratch though for AS machines in the future :/, folks will probably get started on that when the first M1 machines get deprecated)
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Win10 is about to be EOLd, and MS did put in a block (easily bypassable right now to be fair, so it's a soft block) on pretty much most machines older than a few years in 11 with their secureboot and tpm2.0 reqs
Or a bit cynically, they are adding so much bloat and extra crap to their OS's that they need the additional horsepower for those features no one asked for (also to potentially do anti-consumer activities such as telemetry and serving us ads)
Running may be a little optimistic. Working I will believe. the graphics may be weak point as much as the lack of cores. When was the last dual core Mac?
There is barely enough here to even justify a major whole-number release. Why, Apple...
apparently they can't go a year without pushing a new OS, so they can make sure to deprecate our old purchases and we'll need to buy more faster.
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Come on. People are STILL complaining about this?
Apple Silicon was an OBVIOUS line in the sand Apple HAD to draw somewhere. And they drew it over 3 years ago.
Milk your Intel machines until support dies, then upgrade. Not only will they feel orders of magnitude faster, but you'll be supported for the foreseeable future.
With M-series, I expect a 10-year lifespan (for non pro computing).
Windows will always be Windows, so if you need it, get a PC.
I use a company-issued PC for work, but my personal life is Apple-only (with iOS at the center).
Apple Silicon was an OBVIOUS line in the sand Apple HAD to draw somewhere. And they drew it over 3 years ago.
Milk your Intel machines until support dies, then upgrade. Not only will they feel orders of magnitude faster, but you'll be supported for the foreseeable future.
With M-series, I expect a 10-year lifespan (for non pro computing).
Windows will always be Windows, so if you need it, get a PC.
I use a company-issued PC for work, but my personal life is Apple-only (with iOS at the center).
That fear is unwarranted.
Obviously, it will happen eventually.
But there's no precedence of any post Apple Silicon Mac getting dropped. So I wouldn't lose sleep over it just yet.
This is just another year of dropping more Intel Macs, as expected.
I'd start worrying when the MacOS version drops that drops support for the last remaining Intel Mac.
Since no new Intel chips were introduced alongside the first M1 Macs, and the newest Intel Mac is from 2019, I highly doubt Apple is going to drop support for a selection of Intel Macs while also dropping support for some M1 and M2 machines.
I'd be very surprised if M1 gets less than 6 years of full support.
Unbelievable. The desktop computer I get to replace my 2016 iMac will be on Linux and not MacOS. I'd like to try the iMac to 5K monitor conversion when I've got more free time.
With laptops it's harder to make the switch though. Thankfully OpenCore Legacy Patcher exists, though when Apple stops supporting my 2019 MBP that could be the end of the line for all Intel Macs.
for sure - but they’ll have a tough time once Apple will not distribute an Intel binary anymore
Looks like my 2018 MacBook Pro is on life support. There’s not much left original from it, replacement screen 6 months ago due to flexgate after that was replaced in 2020 due to the covering coming off and two new top covers at various times which included new batteries, so maybe only the main board?
The 4 year warranty expired in January, so that coupled with OS updates past this one looking unlikely should see me updating in the next 12 months.
The 4 year warranty expired in January, so that coupled with OS updates past this one looking unlikely should see me updating in the next 12 months.
Okay, can we not repeat this annual hyperbole fest where everyone with a Mac no longer supported on the next MacOS writes something that makes it sound as if Apple orders a drone strike to your home and annihilates your no longer supported machine the day the upcoming OS drops?
This is just not how Apple has ever done it:
This is just not how Apple has ever done it:
- Your Mac will neither shut down or rendered useless post (insert MacOS version name). You just don't get all the new shiny stuff that you're only going to use a fraction of anyway.
- You'll still get security updates for a good while.
My 2016 iMac is left back on Monterey. This is fine for me in terms of features, I'm still more used to the old System Preferences anyway.
The real problem? I'm a developer so naturally I want to install Xcode. I already can't install the latest version as that requires MacOS Ventura.
The App Store has a feature for Mastodon apps. I discover that I can't install Ivory for Mastodon because that also requires MacOS Ventura.
My OS has been superseded for less than a year. C'mon guys it can't already be this bad...
I have the same, but I had no choice but to buy this in 2018 when my 2011 iMac died with a graphics issue.
I doubt I get much with resale either, and I don't want/need a computer in my kids (ages 7 & 5.)
In my head I know I have security updates for at least the next year (maybe two?) with Ventura, but I feel like I need to have the current OS to know my data is secure.
(I'll admit it is a bit illogical to assume the minute the new OS comes out this computer is trash.)
I was thinking of getting the new M2 studio with a separate monitor. I would like something i could hook multiple computers up to, I have a lot of research to do before any purchases.
All intel macs are slow and outdated compared to ASi. It won’t be long before they are no longer supported. PowerPC macs only got a single OS release until support for them was completely dropped with Snow Leopard. That being said my parents still use my 2012 retina MBP 15” running catalina and it’s fine enough. But it’s certainly slow and outdated compared to my ASi MBP.
I wonder if there is at least a hobby market for an 27" mac to monitor kit, basically a circuit board that you would open the iMac (with a pizza cutter), unplug/unscrew the motherboard, then drop a new circuit board and have it become just a dumb monitor (maybe with a USB camera/sound, controlled by using the existing power and some buttons that poke out the now useless usb ports..)
I am positive it would be impractical to manufacture for any profit, and require a lot of R&D unfortunately.
I don't know my future plans, I know the computer will still work fine even not using the latest os, but I really feel like it's time to switch fairly soon.
I'm in the same boat, and my wife's 2015 27" has been unsupported for a while now. I'm with you, looking forward to a mini and some monitor. I haven't selected a monitor yet, but it likely will not be 5k and almost certainly will not be Apple branded. There are a few key features to the Apple displays that are nice, but I'm not sure they are nice enough to justify the price.
Wait, the iMac is only supporting back to 2019?
That is only a 4 year old machine.
The one before was 2017 and is only 6 years old.
My old 2009 got all the way to High Sierra in 2017!
Apple is really trying to reduce e-waste!! Or not?
That is only a 4 year old machine.
The one before was 2017 and is only 6 years old.
My old 2009 got all the way to High Sierra in 2017!
Apple is really trying to reduce e-waste!! Or not?
Remember PowerPC macs? Sold all throughout 2005, got the boot in 2009 with Snow Leopard - even worse if you bought a PowerMac before the Mac Pro was released in August of '06. This is nothing new, Apple wants to drop old architectures as quickly as possible.
Just for giggles, I put my 2017 iMac into the apple trade in web site. Defect free, everything working.
They offered $150.
I get it, it's not the best place to get trade in value, just like a car lot, but ouch, the value on the intel macs aged like fine milk.
They offered $150.
I get it, it's not the best place to get trade in value, just like a car lot, but ouch, the value on the intel macs aged like fine milk.
and this is why Linux is great, it will install and run and probably support your hardware for the nexy couple of decades