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I m on ventura.

Do i really need sonoma?
Check out the Apple Support explanation at the following website, or read the information summarized here at MacRumors under the macOS Sonoma section in the menubar. If there's nothing that interests you, then no, you don't need it.

 
It feels very similar to things like Freeform and the office apps like Pages. Great apps, great features, continual innovation. But hardly anybody uses them because it immediately makes them incompatible with the rest of the world.
It's all part of Apple's expanding "ecosystem", ha...

Apple launches new apps and features like Freeform in an attempt to cater to users who need those features, but who don't want to resort to third-party software alternatives to get them.

I also don't use Freeform (yet), but that doesn't mean I never will. As its functionality evolves, it might be more interesting. Obviously, it only really has relevance to Apple device users, like FaceTime and so many other Apple-branded apps.
 
macOS Sonoma updates improve the stability, performance, or compatibility of your Mac and are recommended for all macOS Sonoma users.
Same is and was said about ventura and its following updates.

Its just a generic statement. I really doubt it improves on the stability and performance compare to ventura.

Heck ventura is still not stable. it still hangs when i try to shut down after disconnecting networked drives.

and sometimes just random hangs.

These words like stability , performance , compatibility as word thrown around.Generic words to make the consumer feel comfortable, they have no meaning.
 
Just installed macOS Sonoma 14.0 on a MacBook Pro 16-inch 2019 (Core i9, 64 GB RAM) this morning.

Interesting to find this setting in System Settings, where you can now just click on the desktop to temporarily show the desktop and hide everything else!
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And I thought it’s a bug. Thanks for finding this, gonna disable, it was annoying me so much.
 
“You will need an Apple silicon Mac to see the reactions, and they can pop up in any app that uses the camera”

This makes this feature incredibly limited. So you’re in a Zoom and 5 out of 50 people can see your reactions?

*You need an Apple Silicon to detect and insert the reactions to your video. Then it just travels as a video from your Mac.

That’s why no app needs to provide any support on any end.

Videoconferencing: Again, awesome, but most people use Zoom (home) or Teams (work). The idea of using FaceTime for any business work would be laughed out of my office's boardroom. It's kinda sad that Apple's building such a great tool that most people won't use (until maybe the headset gains traction, I guess...).

He literally says “or any other video conferencing app”.
 
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Just installed macOS Sonoma 14.0 on a MacBook Pro 16-inch 2019 (Core i9, 64 GB RAM) this morning.

Interesting to find this setting in System Settings, where you can now just click on the desktop to temporarily show the desktop and hide everything else!
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I've used active corners for this for ages, but this is still a surprisingly useful little feature!
 
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The screensavers/wallpapers are beautiful. However, Europe, especially mainland Europe, is almost non-existent.

I do not understand why I'd want widgets sitting on my (rather small laptop) desktop. I do not check the weather, the stocks or my to-do list 24/7, only on demand. Apple's Dashboard was great for that, hovering above the screen whenever needed.
I also have to admit that I do not understand Stage Manager. What does it do? Anyway, I have disabled it.
 
The screensavers/wallpapers are beautiful. However, Europe, especially mainland Europe, is almost non-existent.
I think they were on a budget ;-)

Maybe more will come later. They are downloadable assets. After all, they need to cover the entire world, right. o_O
 
Sonoma feels like the "S" release of the OS where the features are very skippable.

I don't understand the hardware cutoff, seems arbitrary.
Agreed. I have a 2017 iMac at work, which has been obsoleted for no good reason. Especially annoying as it was purchased early 2019 as the latest model.
Apple tends to support hardware as long as Intel supports the CPUs that go in them. In the past this has been an easy way to predict which Macs will be supported by the next OS. The CPUs in the Macs dropped in Sonoma have either already been dropped by Intel, or will be in early 2024. That includes 2017 iMacs, unfortunately. Intel has gotten more aggressive with dropping support of older chips in recent years. Apple probably has too with the ongoing transition to ARM.
 
Screensavers? In 2023? Surely people have their monitor switching off via power management to save energy?
My external screen takes annoyingly long to resume from sleep. That's why I always use a screensaver (for 30min I think) during work. :)
 
Not to be a jerk, but I find desktop widgets to be a waste. I have virtual desktops and most have a full screen of apps. I can’t see any of the widgets so a bit of a waste.

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Why not just create a separate virtual desktop only for the widgets?
 
Apple always is so proud of how long it supports old hardware with updates, but just six years is much less than Windows usually offers. Windows 11 is an exception, because it needs a chip that only very recent computers have. Most people use their computer much longer than six years though.

I would not complain about not getting updates any more, as I do never update software anyway unless the old version stops working.

It's not a very well-support limitation either. I've been running Windows 11 on a 15 year old Thinkpad X200 tablet and it runs great. The only barrier is the installer, the actual OS doesn't seem to care. Yet?
 
Widgets. Incredible. But still no simple setting in Mail that keeps e-mails unread?
 
Web app seems like a useful function, unfortunately my most immediate need for that doesn't appear to work correctly. The link I use to access some corporate resources for my work does an auto redirect and trying to make the page I get directed to a web app breaks the app.

Why can't I edit URLs directly? That seems like it would solve the problem.

Anywho, aerial wallpapers are great. Desktop widgets are amazing. I was not one to ever put files on my desktop and while I DID have my notification window configured with a bunch of widgets, I basically never opened that menu up. Being able to give visibility to my widgets directly on my desktop is fantastic.
 
The aerial screensavers are super realistic on a 2018 MacBook Pro. They come with a jet engine!

I’ll be leaving them on though for sure… they look too good and I’m still enjoying them.
 
Have downloaded and installed MacOS Sonoma. Had the briefest of time spent playing around with it.

When I logged in my dock was missing. Which I was able to reset once I was able to get system settings to re-appear.

One other difference that I noticed was that my two desktops had to use the same wallpaper. In previous versions of MacOS, I was able to use two different wallpapers one for each desktop.
 
I switch between video calls on Mac and phone calls on iPhone a lot. AirPods switching had been a mess- whether regular, Pro or Max. Using M1 MBP and M1 Studio. Sonoma update is showing big improvements!
 
No decision to install Sonoma for me…not supported on my 2017 27” iMac. Heck, I’ve not even gone to Ventura yet, and frankly haven’t seen any compelling reason to do so. Worse, I kinda regret having “upgraded” from Mojave to Monterey but had to do so for some software that was no longer available in Mojave.
 
So they wrote a whole new macOS version for new screensavers, reintroducing widgets and a 'game mode' that just utilizes the CPU/GPU?

Probably a one person job, done in a couple of months that could have just been added to Ventura.

Mkay.
 
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One of the most underwhelming OS updates in recent memory. The only thing good about it for users is that Apple isn’t charging for it. It makes me wonder whether there is something under the hood that Apple is monetizing. Why else would the be updating it and making it available for “free”?
 
Screensavers? In 2023? Surely people have their monitor switching off via power management to save energy?
Bottom right Hot Corner, put display to sleep, has been my setup for years. Can't remember the last time I used a screensaver tbh - maybe when I was using Windows XP 😅
 
For anyone not updating to Sonoma, I highly recommend Aerial. It downloads the Apple screensavers you see on Apple TV devices (which I think are the same ones in Sonoma?) And it allows you to access others. Gives you very granular control over which ones you download, resolution, text overlays.

Also it's free!
Even if you're updating I recommend it. So many excellent features that Apple's implementation doesn't have. I love being able to shuffle just the aerials I select rather than them all. Lots of refinement needed for apple's version, and until then, I'm sticking with Aerials.
 
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