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…iPadOS on the other hand - Stage Manager is a mess I wanted to like, but it effectively blocks part of some apps like Teams with it's controls, making it literally impossible to hit the 'send' button when using Teams, for example, full-sized.
Could you post a screenshot because I can’t imagine why a full screen app in Stage Manager would behave differently from regular full-screen. The only SM control I can think of is the corner grab handle, and you can effectively move that by shifting the app window from one side to the other. But yeah Apple can’t force Microsoft to play nice with Stage Manager.
 
remember.... the purpose of yearly OS updates is mainly to obsolete older versions. Oh yeah, and throw the customers a bone of questionable new features

It seems to me that you are one of those that uses the Microsoft OS based on MacOS since 1984, that had versions like Win 95, Win 98, Win me, Win Vista and Wondos 8... these were really good changes right?
 
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It seems to me that you are one of those that uses the Microsoft OS based on MacOS since 1984, that had versions like Win 95, Win 98, Win me, Win Vista and Wondos 8... these were really good changes right?
So a whole OS update with a headline feature of a screen saver is going to improve your computer usage, or productivity, how?

I say use what works, yearly updates are hardly necessary, and there is some truth to Apple doing this to move people forward more then innovation.
 
So a whole OS update with a headline feature of a screen saver is going to improve your computer usage, or productivity, how?

I say use what works, yearly updates are hardly necessary, and there is some truth to Apple doing this to move people forward more then innovation.
OS upgrades are like iPhone upgrades, if you do it every year the changes usually seem incremental, but if you upgrade every other, or every three years, the changes are more noticible.
 
OS upgrades are like iPhone upgrades, if you do it every year the changes usually seem incremental, but if you upgrade every other, or every three years, the changes are more noticible.
No they are not. This is a very uneducated response and misinformation.

I'm not distrubing my workflow and software to run my business because of the new shiny. Widgets and screen savers will have no impact on my productivity, but applications I depend on breaking will because of an OS update.
 
No they are not. This is a very uneducated response and misinformation.

I'm not distrubing my workflow and software to run my business because of the new shiny. Widgets and screen savers will have no impact on my productivity, but applications I depend on breaking will because of an OS update.

I have a testing Mac and I install beta, update and release versions and test out my production software before upgrading my production systems. This is standard IT practice going back until at least the 1970s. The process was a lot more formal back then - we would pick a site to do upgrade testing, setup a test system, fly a team out to install and run tests to see if there were any problems. Things are a lot easier with the Internet these days and systems are much faster so testing is easier.

Nobody wants to break their production systems over an OS update. Or application software update.
 
So a whole OS update with a headline feature of a screen saver is going to improve your computer usage, or productivity, how?

I say use what works, yearly updates are hardly necessary, and there is some truth to Apple doing this to move people forward more then innovation.

The philosophy is not a radical change, is a constant evolution. If you use a four-year-old MacOS and update to the latest version, you will feel a big evolution. Instead of the change of direction that Windows users feel when they update their OSs
 
Could you post a screenshot because I can’t imagine why a full screen app in Stage Manager would behave differently from regular full-screen. The only SM control I can think of is the corner grab handle, and you can effectively move that by shifting the app window from one side to the other. But yeah Apple can’t force Microsoft to play nice with Stage Manager.
I will come back and do it if I remember. Apple controls the window placement so it is kind of on them at this point, as I'm sure there's more. It was frustrating enough to basically say - this is NOT making my usage better/improved/more efficient and disabled SM since then, but will see if I remember and grab a screenshot.
 
Will they ever fix this terrible finder issue when files and folder cannot be arranged within a visible window????
I'd like to only this single fix instead of all these promotional back-and-forth widgets and whistles....
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The answer is, probably never. Those of us who've been around since the early days still remember the acronym FTFF. I'll let you work out what that means. :) There were more serious Finder issues than this, like the totally unhelpful behavior when you copied files from A to B and if there was a discrepancy, the entire operation was halted until you cleared a dialog box. IT guys hated that. But the Finder (and Windows Explorer, on that side) are increasingly irrelevant for the majority of users. I'd wager a majority of average non-techie users don't know, or need to know, where their photos are actually stored. Or music files. Same principle as an iPad or iPhone (the Files app notwithstanding; I'm amazed at how many people don't even know if its existence).
 
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So, in other words there's no real reason to upgrade.
In our org, the Safari profiles plus web app is a big deal. It may finally let us switch from Chrome, where we set up multiple profiles and turn them into 'desktop apps.' Many of us need to be logged into different services as different users, constantly, for a variety of reasons.
 
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Downloading.

I am only able to see it on my system running Sonoma Beta and it's only a 2+ GB update. I can't see it on my systems running Ventura yet.

Update: I can see it on one of my Ventura systems now. Downloading on that system as well. This kit is only 7.7 GB so I will need to download Apple Silicon and Intel kits.
 
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I have a testing Mac and I install beta, update and release versions and test out my production software before upgrading my production systems. This is standard IT practice going back until at least the 1970s. The process was a lot more formal back then - we would pick a site to do upgrade testing, setup a test system, fly a team out to install and run tests to see if there were any problems. Things are a lot easier with the Internet these days and systems are much faster so testing is easier.

Nobody wants to break their production systems over an OS update. Or application software update.
I also do the same thing. I have a testing partition, several actually to figure this out before hand. Even after testing I wouldn't jump onto the latest updated until 3 or so because by then most severe bugs are ironed out and or applications have been updated. But there is always another update around the corner so in the end it might not be worth it.
 
Welcome to the 21st century microwave society where people get easily distracted and bored if something isn’t changed or kept fresh. And when it is, they will find things to complain about.
I know right, people get caught up with Apple's carrot and forget it's just a tool to get stuff done. Unless all you do is watch Youtube and internet 🤷‍♂️
 
I also do the same thing. I have a testing partition, several actually to figure this out before hand. Even after testing I wouldn't jump onto the latest updated until 3 or so because by then most severe bugs are ironed out and or applications have been updated. But there is always another update around the corner so in the end it might not be worth it.

I do read the OS forums to get a feel for the bugs that people are running into. There are only 2 main production programs that I need to run and, if those work, then I am good to go. I have a couple of systems running Monterey right now and, if something breaks, then I can use those until other problems get fixed. In general, though, I have not needed to do this in the past 2 years.
 
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If the features are questionble, why do you care if you don’t get them?
What makes you think that poster cares if he doesn't get them.

For me, MacOS from 5-6 years ago before it turned into a cheap knock-off of iPadOS was a far superior OS. I still have a 2011 MBP running High Sierra (with 16 gig of ram and 1 TB of SSD). One of the reasons I hate my 2020 is it forces me onto big sur or later which is complete crap. I'd give up the 2020 before the 2011, but either way I'm not buying another Mac. The 2011 was the best computer I ever owned, the 2020 by a huge margin the worst, with the 2017 it replaced the second-worst.

The *only* reason to upgrade macOS is security updates and other than that every version has been worse than the one before it for years. More restrictions, more iOS type closing things off, more crippled iOS type settings and menus.

Tim Cook used to brag that he didn't know what a computer was, and it is blindingly obvious the Mac is being directed by someone who doesn't know what a computer is.
 
I do read the OS forums to get a feel for the bugs that people are running into. There are only 2 main production programs that I need to run and, if those work, then I am good to go. I have a couple of systems running Monterey right now and, if something breaks, then I can use those until other problems get fixed. In general, though, I have not needed to do this in the past 2 years.
I’m doing my M1 MB Air leaving Mac Mini alone for a week. But first have backed each up with CCCloner and of course TM is doing its thing. Must say Sonoma came in very fast.
 
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