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That's a strawman argument - a few people you know in no way becomes a majority opinion



I've not really run into too many areas in Tahoe that legibility is worse or poor. Control Center has one area that needs tweaking, but from the betas to the .2, apple has been improving, dialing in and improving the polish of Tahoe.

This isn’t about taste or whether something is “readable enough for me”. It’s about contrast, which is measurable and has objectively been reduced in some macOS 26 UI areas.

A concrete example: in the Liquid Glass app switcher (⌘-Tab), the label of the selected app adapts poorly to what’s underneath it. In Light Mode, dark content beneath the switcher lowers text contrast; in Dark Mode, light content does the same when the text flips to white. The result is demonstrably lower legibility than before, depending on context.

Saying “it looks fine to me” doesn’t negate that – it just answers a different question.

For clarity: when I mentioned that multiple experienced designers independently identified the same legibility issue, I wasn’t claiming statistical proof or a verified majority. It’s an inference – but a reasonable one – that this concern is likely shared more broadly, especially when it aligns with measurable contrast changes.

This also isn’t a strawman argument. A strawman misrepresents an opponent’s position; this was simply supporting context for why the issue stood out.

Apple has historically led on UI clarity, which is exactly why I think these regressions stand out.

A few examples again – flip camera icon is objectively not clear in this scenario. Half the camera icon can't even be seen. How can having a GUI which has legibility based on the content shown be something to strive for? It should be independent on content and context, shouldn't it? Even if those situations are rare they are still worthy of criticizing in hope for improvement.

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Is the camera flip icon easy to discern in this scenario?

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Is the text”Finder” in the App switcher (cmd tab) easy to discern in the above example?

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Is the small white text and icons easy to discern in the above example?
It's not hopeless, but the contrast isn't very good. Especially not if you lower brightness on the screen a little.

Don't we want text and icons to have good contrast to increase legibility?

I have bunch of them right now in my office. Those who have upgraded doesn't even seem to think about Tahoe, because their workflow isn't interrupted by any means after upgrading.
Yes. Same here! 🙂
Most is fine in Tahoe. I'm not saying this is a problem everywhere in the OS, I'm talking about some examples and scenarios, but still many enough to wonder what's going on… Especially since I've never had these concerns with Apple's operating systems ever before.

We'll see how Apple evolves it…

I feel I'm repeating myself… 😀

Have a good weekend everyone!
 
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Saying “it looks fine to me” doesn’t negate that – it just answers a different question.
Actually, it does. While I don’t want to dismiss anyone’s experience, it seems like you’re downplaying the perspective of those who say it’s not an issue.

This also isn’t a strawman argument. A strawman misrepresents an opponent’s position; this was simply supporting context for why the issue stood out.
Your comment is a textbook strawman. Citing a handful of “GUI experts” you know who dislike the UI does not magically translate into a majority consensus. At best, all you can claim is that the people you personally know share that opinion. That’s it. You cannot reasonably assert that most GUI experts agree with that assessment based on such a limited sample.
 
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…Apple has historically led on UI clarity, which is exactly why I think these regressions stand out.

A few examples again – flip camera icon is objectively not clear in this scenario. Half the camera icon can't even be seen. How can having a GUI which has legibility based on the content shown be something to strive for? It should be independent on content and context, shouldn't it? Even if those situations are rare they are still worthy of criticizing in hope for improvement.

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Is the camera flip icon easy to discern in this scenario?
As I’ve said before, this example seems to be grasping at straws. I could not get it as washed out as yours when I tried replicating that scenario and aiming it straight at a lightbulb. And realistically, who’s going to be aiming their camera straight at a lightbulb on a FaceTime call? It’s called FaceTime, not BulbTime… 🤷🏼‍♂️. And a more translucent button is more visually pleasing and less distracting when talking with your family members than some gaudy solid color button. I don’t think this is an “issue”… 🤷🏼‍♂️
View attachment 2602384Is the text”Finder” in the App switcher (cmd tab) easy to discern in the above example?
As I already said, better contrast for text there would be good, it seems a bug is not switching the color of the background bar to contrast properly as other parts of the system. So we mostly agree there. Though I still don’t think it’s really a functional issue with the app icons right there. 🤷🏼‍♂️
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Is the small white text and icons easy to discern in the above example?
It's not hopeless, but the contrast isn't very good. Especially not if you lower brightness on the screen a little.

Don't we want text and icons to have good contrast to increase legibility?
This is someone’s custom contact card. Someone intentionally chose poorly contrasting colors. That isn’t a problem with the OS, it’s that someone used the customization options for the contact card and selected those colors for text and background. So trying to claim this is a contrast issue that’s Apple’s fault is disingenuous. It isn’t Apple’s design… 🤦🏼‍♂️. This is the default design for contact cards that Apple uses:

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Everything is clearly contrasted in Apple’s design. It’s just that someone chose to make their contact card low contrast.
Yes. Same here! 🙂
Most is fine in Tahoe. I'm not saying this is a problem everywhere in the OS, I'm talking about some examples and scenarios…
We can agree on that. Most is fine in Tahoe, so it’s not as if Tahoe is “unusable” as some are trying to claim. There are some minor things that could be improved, but I don’t think it’s the “scandal” some are making it out to be… And none of it poses any actual major functionality issues. 🤷🏼‍♂️
…but still many enough to wonder what's going on… Especially since I've never had these concerns with Apple's operating systems ever before.
Just about every OS version has had minor visual stuff here or there if you look close enough and dig into it. Especially with a major new visual design language, some minor things can slip through. I think like 2 or 3 minor niche things with lower than optimal contrast is perfectly acceptable for a complex OS with hundreds of thousands of buttons and UI elements. That’s not a bad batting average… 🤷🏼‍♂️. And I’m sure stuff will improve further with time.
We'll see how Apple evolves it…
And yes, this is why I think the discussion you are having is more profitable than most of what I’m seeing in this thread or forum. Because you’re at least willing to see how Apple evolves it. Some are literally blowing it out of proportion and aren’t willing to do that.
I feel I'm repeating myself… 😀

Have a good weekend everyone!
You as well, I hope you have a great weekend. 🙂👍🏻
 
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Actually, it does. While I don’t want to dismiss anyone’s experience, it seems like you’re downplaying the perspective of those who say it’s not an issue.

I don't understand why people who don't have an issue need their perspective continuously restated, or even what perspective that is. By default, no one has an an issue until they do.

Quick example: I like my car. My neighbour got the same car I did, and he's not happy with its performance/build quality. Why would I say "Oh yeah I have some of the same issues but they don't bother me"? Why would I walk over when he's talking to another vehicle owner about the issues they both noticed and say "I get it guys, the car has some issues. But I don't think it's a big deal."?
 
I don't understand why people who don't have an issue need their perspective continuously restated, or even what perspective that is. By default, no one has an an issue until they do.

Quick example: I like my car. My neighbour got the same car I did, and he's not happy with its performance/build quality. Why would I say "Oh yeah I have some of the same issues but they don't bother me"? Why would I walk over when he's talking to another vehicle owner about the issues they both noticed and say "I get it guys, the car has some issues. But I don't think it's a big deal."?
That’s an apples to oranges comparison… The neighbor has come over to the property line and is pestering me incessantly about how awful the car is. I go into my garden to tend my plants, and he’s there. I go to my fence to give it a fresh coat of paint, and he’s there too. I mow my lawn, and he’s there, walking along my mower shouting at me about how terrible and awful it is, and how I must not have good taste because I like it… That’s the experience of being in this forum. People inject this stuff everywhere in the forum. There’s a vocal subset of the forum who’s decided everyone must know how much they dislike Tahoe, and how you must have poor taste or be an “Apple shill” or whatever if you like it… 🙄🤦🏼‍♂️

Furthermore, this is not a private discussion. This is a public one. If you want a private discussion, you can set up a private thread for you and likeminded individuals. But this is public, people have just as much right to share their positive opinions as you do to share your negative ones…
 
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I don't understand why people who don't have an issue need their perspective continuously restated, or even what perspective that is. By default, no one has an an issue until they do.
Probably for the same reason why people do have an issue need their perspective continuously restated - Maybe because MacRumors is a discussion forum
 
Y'know, there was a time when I truly believed that Classic Mac OS and then later Mac OS X had the nicest, most polished UI to be had.

The truth is that, as someone who migrated over to Linux (Linux Mint Cinnamon, to be specific) well over a decade ago, I'm increasingly of the opinion that even the default visual settings for Cinnamon, Gnome 4x, and heck even Plasma 6.x are nicer, cleaner, and more tasteful.

Now, this isn't intended as a "rush in here to the Mac forums and scream about how great Linux is" kind of message, but I think it does bear pointing out that a LOT of the brainpower out there is going into other desktop environments, and the result is macOS simply isn't the only game in town for tasteful, stylish, and well-executed design aesthetics.
 
Probably for the same reason why people do have an issue need their perspective continuously restated - Maybe because MacRumors is a discussion forum
Right, it's a forum. We should discuss things, but in a constructive way (can I help you? Can I reproduce it? Is it annoying for others? I have a solution). Continuously denying the problems that others encounter is not discussing, it's wanting to be right at all costs, regardless of screenshots, videos, and multiple testimonials. Groupthink does not belong in forums.

Create a discussion titled ‘Why Tahoe is so wonderful’ and post your thoughts, screenshots, and videos there... maybe it will be interesting and more productive even for those who don't see these gems.
 
Actually, it does. While I don’t want to dismiss anyone’s experience, it seems like you’re downplaying the perspective of those who say it’s not an issue.

what does it even mean? if I have cancer, I couldn't care less about your cancer-free 'perspective', and yet here you are droning on about the joy of being cancer-free. your experience adds f-all to the discussion about having cancer, and crying about it being 'dismissed' even though nobody asked you to share it just makes it look like you want validation, but can't even bother to read the room before asking.
 
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That's right, it's a forum. We should discuss things, but in a constructive way (can I help you? Can I reproduce it? Is it annoying for others? I have a solution). Continuously denying the problems that others encounter is not discussing, it's wanting to be right at all costs, regardless of screenshots, videos, and multiple testimonials. Groupthink does not belong in forums.
i don't see people 'denying the problems that others encounter'. i do see opposing points-of-view (about the GUI, design, even functionality), and that only gets tiresome when anyone insists that their POV is the 'correct one'.

no one is saying an actual problem for someone isn't a problem 🤔

discussion allows for multiple opinions, thoughts, observations. as @maflynn just pointed out: "MacRumors is a discussion forum"
 
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i don't see people 'denying the problems that others encounter'. i do see opposing points-of-view (about the GUI, design, even functionality), and that only gets tiresome when anyone insists that their POV is the 'correct one'.

no one is saying an actual problem for someone isn't a problem 🤔

discussion allows for multiple opinions, thoughts, observations. as @maflynn just pointed out: "MacRumors is a discussion forum"
This message is another example of not wanting to read or understand. We are not denying a discussion, but let's be clear... block against block leads nowhere (and in any case, the title of the discussion is crystal clear).

Again: try to create a separate counter-discussion that illustrates the merits of Tahoe. It would be welcome and interesting.
 
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Wow, not sure how to respond to that - we're talking about an operating system - you really brought this to a different level. You seem to be taking this conversation quite seriously and personally.

eh? you read 'cancer' and the rest flew over your head? are you not familiar with the concept of 'analogy'? to deescalate, replace 'cancer' with 'issue', and the point still stands.
 
what does it even mean? if I have cancer, I couldn't care less about your cancer-free 'perspective', and yet here you are droning on about the joy of being cancer-free. your experience adds f-all to the discussion about having cancer, and crying about it being 'dismissed' even though nobody asked you to share it just makes it look like you want validation, but can't even bother to read the room before asking.
I don’t usually use the anger reaction, but this comment crosses a line. You’re annoyance at some changes you don’t like in an OS is nothing like cancer… 😡 As someone who has lost family to cancer, I find such a ridiculous comparison to be very offensive. You’re first-world problems aren’t in any way comparable to real life taking cancer diagnosis… 😡
 
This message is another example of not wanting to read or understand. We are not denying a discussion, but let's be clear... block against block leads nowhere (and in any case, the title of the discussion is crystal clear).

Again: try to create a separate counter-discussion that illustrates the merits of Tahoe. It would be welcome and interesting.
And you know what would happen if we create another thread (not necessarily opposed to that, btw)? People who dislike Tahoe will inevitable “enter the chat” to tell us why we’re wrong for liking it. Because that’s basically the way public discussion in a forum works… And btw, I wouldn’t be upset if others who disagreed with me joined such a thread to state their opinions, even though I would certainly disagree with them. It’s a public forum. Threads are here for discussion and expressing multiple points of view, not just one. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
So I just got some first hand usage setting up a Mac Book Pro 14" for a co-worker. I must say there are a lot of things that I see GUI wise that just do not make sense. Windows blending in with other windows, etc etc. Hopefully they will work this mess out. Granted I saw all of this in "light" mode, "dark" mode probably fixes a lot of that.

Also I do not like the extreme curves on the windows, personally I would like that toned down.

I know most of this is personal taste; but just calling it how I exprienced it. It will be a long time before I update my machines to Tahoe unless this gets worked out soon.
 
And you know what would happen if we create another thread (not necessarily opposed to that, btw)? People who dislike Tahoe will inevitable “enter the chat” to tell us why we’re wrong for liking it. Because that’s basically the way public discussion in a forum works… And btw, I wouldn’t be upset if others who disagreed with me joined such a thread to state their opinions, even though I would certainly disagree with them. It’s a public forum. Threads are here for discussion and expressing multiple points of view, not just one. 🤷🏼‍♂️
So, should we avoid discussing improvements to Tahoe to prevent even the possibility that someone might do the same thing that is happening here? An interesting and contradictory point of view.

edit: I see that the proposal has been accepted despite all the complaints. Now it will be interesting and refreshing to see what happens next.
 
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So, should we avoid discussing improvements to Tahoe to prevent even the possibility that someone might do the same thing that is happening here? An interesting and contradictory point of view.

edit: I see that the proposal has been accepted despite all the complaints. Now it will be interesting and refreshing to see what happens next.
???? I don’t get what you mean. I said, people should be able to state all points of view, including discussing improvements to Tahoe, in public discussion… 🤷🏼‍♂️. I started a thread with a somewhat brief post about some of the things I like about Tahoe (I will likely add many more). I welcome discussion. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
edit: I see that the proposal has been accepted despite all the complaints. Now it will be interesting and refreshing to see what happens next.
Are you talking about the thread about the benefits of Tahoe? I never complained about that idea. I literally just earlier said I wasn’t opposed to that idea when you mentioned it. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
This message is another example of not wanting to read or understand. We are not denying a discussion, but let's be clear... block against block leads nowhere (and in any case, the title of the discussion is crystal clear).

Again: try to create a separate counter-discussion that illustrates the merits of Tahoe. It would be welcome and interesting.
not sure i understand why we can't discuss things 🤔

you want threads where everybody simply agrees with each other? that's the opposite of communication.....
 
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Actually, it does. While I don’t want to dismiss anyone’s experience, it seems like you’re downplaying the perspective of those who say it’s not an issue.


Your comment is a textbook strawman. Citing a handful of “GUI experts” you know who dislike the UI does not magically translate into a majority consensus. At best, all you can claim is that the people you personally know share that opinion. That’s it. You cannot reasonably assert that most GUI experts agree with that assessment based on such a limited sample.

I think the core issue is getting lost here. This isn’t about general opinions on the look or style of the GUI — it’s about contrast and legibility in specific UI states.

The example we were discussing was very concrete: green text on a green button instead of white text on a green button. That’s not a matter of taste or preference; it’s a contrast decision with measurable impact on readability. Whether someone personally finds it “fine” doesn’t change that the contrast is lower in that case.

The same applies to other macOS 26 examples, like the app switcher labels adapting poorly to what’s underneath them. These are contextual contrast issues, not a broad judgment of the GUI as a whole.

And just to be clear: mentioning that several experienced designers independently noticed the same legibility problem was never meant as proof of a statistical majority. It was supporting context — an inference, not a claim of consensus. Calling that a strawman still doesn’t apply, since no one’s position was misrepresented. Since you seem to think my arguments is that there is a consensus that the overall design of Tahoe is bad (which I do not) It's actually you who misunderstands my argument, thus you are the one conducting the strawman… 😉

So the discussion I’m trying to have is simply this: some UI choices in macOS 26 reduce contrast in certain situations, which objectively increases the risk of reduced legibility. That’s the claim — not whether people like or dislike the overall design.

As I’ve said before, this example seems to be grasping at straws. I could not get it as washed out as yours when I tried replicating that scenario and aiming it straight at a lightbulb. And realistically, who’s going to be aiming their camera straight at a lightbulb on a FaceTime call? It’s called FaceTime, not BulbTime… 🤷🏼‍♂️. And a more translucent button is more visually pleasing and less distracting when talking with your family members than some gaudy solid color button. I don’t think this is an “issue”… 🤷🏼‍♂️

As I already said, better contrast for text there would be good, it seems a bug is not switching the color of the background bar to contrast properly as other parts of the system. So we mostly agree there. Though I still don’t think it’s really a functional issue with the app icons right there. 🤷🏼‍♂️

This is someone’s custom contact card. Someone intentionally chose poorly contrasting colors. That isn’t a problem with the OS, it’s that someone used the customization options for the contact card and selected those colors for text and background. So trying to claim this is a contrast issue that’s Apple’s fault is disingenuous. It isn’t Apple’s design… 🤦🏼‍♂️. This is the default design for contact cards that Apple uses:

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Everything is clearly contrasted in Apple’s design. It’s just that someone chose to make their contact card low contrast.
OK, fair enough. But one would thing the GUI should be able to handle that and adjust, no? I mean it's 2026 after all… And (like I said), that's actually part of my criticism – why are the GUI elements so dependent on the content for legibility? Is that really a design style worth aiming for? 🤔
 
So the discussion I’m trying to have is simply this: some UI choices in macOS 26 reduce contrast in certain situations, which objectively increases the risk of reduced legibility.
I disagree. my experience with Tahoe has not shown any legibility issues.

I understand your experience is that you're not liking what you're seeing, but truth be told, what you're dealing with doesn't mean everyone is dealing with it. I think overall, with the exception of a few issues, Tahoe's UI is fine
 
I disagree. my experience with Tahoe has not shown any legibility issues.

I understand your experience is that you're not liking what you're seeing, but truth be told, what you're dealing with doesn't mean everyone is dealing with it. I think overall, with the exception of a few issues, Tahoe's UI is fine

I think we’re still talking about slightly different things. 🙂

Even if it's fine for you it doesn't mean the contrast has become lowered in many scenarios (as I've shown in my examples) – objectively and measurably.

I’m not saying everyone experiences legibility problems, or that the UI is “bad overall”. I fully accept that for you – and many others – it looks fine in day-to-day use.

Still, this is obviously a much larger problem than before as I've never seen so many people react to legibility situations like this for previous macOS/Apple OS versions.

In some specific UI states, the contrast between text and background is lower than before. That’s something we can measure, and it’s what increases the risk of reduced legibility depending on context (background content, lighting, vision, fatigue, etc.).

So when I say “it’s an issue”, I’m not describing a universal experience – I’m describing a change in contrast behavior that makes certain elements harder to read in some situations, like the green text on a green button example.

Both things can be true at the same time: it can be fine for you and still be objectively lower contrast in those cases.
 
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