macOS Tahoe: A Pattern of Poor Usability and Design Regression

[TumbleDryer]

And I have never said others don’t encounter legitimate bugs, or that it’s not legitimate for others to encounter things they find negatively affects their use. To some degree, I think it’s basically unavoidable with any change, you’re going to have some who are impacted because they have to acclimate and get used to the new design. That’s understandable. I take no issue with that, and have had plenty of profitable discussions with others with those kinds of opinions on this…

What I do take issue with is when people try to claim their opinion is the only “correct” one, or is “objective fact” when it isn’t… When people claim “we’ve shared “evidence” that x thing is a “bad design”…”. Look, I don’t doubt that people who say that they encounter problems are encountering problems, at least not in most cases. But when you try to claim that your experience or opinion about something “proves” something, I think that is where the problem lies. Some seem to repeatedly try to position their opinion or perspective as more than that. And then I and others do push back and say that this is not universal truth and is only an individual’s perspective/opinion.

It's not opinion though when coupled with screenshots and examples is it? Almost all of my posts come with detailed examples/explanations. I've noticed that when its unequivocally obvious what the poster is saying and is essentially irrefutable that a truncated filename is less useful than a full name or one click is more efficient than two for example, the response is a laughing emoji because an opposing response cannot be formed in face of obvious truth - there is a strange need to respond no matter what.

 

[Kal Madda]

Then this must work both work ways.

If someone who shares your views is suggesting that Tahoe is an improvement, then one need to explain why. Saying “I don’t have that issue / Looks fine to me” is not a useful basis for a discussion, if you’re trying to convince others that you feel strongly about your opinion.

And again, we have. We tried to create a thread for that, but it very quickly was overrun. It seems anyone on our side of the debate is shouted down and isn’t allowed to do so in peace… I have stated several aspects of the new design I find to be an improvement numerous times.

And sometimes people can say “I don’t have that issue” often that’s been with bugs that some are trying to claim are widespread and everyone must be encountering or something with claims like “this is the most buggy version of macOS ever” (insert screenshot of niche bug that most have probably never heard of)…. It’s perfectly valid to say you’re not encountering an issue someone is positioning as “universal”… 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[Kal Madda]

It's not opinion though when coupled with screenshots and examples is it? Almost all of my posts come with detailed examples/explanations. I've noticed that when its unequivocally obvious what the poster is saying and is essentially irrefutable that a truncated filename is less useful than a full name or one click is more efficient than two for example, the response is a laughing emoji because an opposing response cannot be formed in face of obvious truth - there is a strange need to respond no matter what.

An individuals opinion about said screenshot is, as is what people find to be problematic to them, and what people don’t find problematic…. Different people have different perspectives about these things. Screenshots only prove that the UI is designed one way or another (when they aren’t capturing bugs), not that it has the same impact on everyone’s use-case…

Case in point, your complaint about the title bar thing. I don’t personally encounter that problem, none of my folder names are that long. But I can understand your perspective since you’ve explained it. I disagree that that makes Tahoe “the worst version of macOS ever”, means “Apple doesn’t care about users, “software quality”, (insert whatever other things people have tried to argue Apple supposedly doesn’t care about)…. But I do respect that that has been your experience, and I wish you the best. As I said, perhaps there’s a compromise Apple could make to appeal to users like you as well. 🙂👍🏻

Nor did I laugh at your complaint about the title bar you just shared, to the contrary, I gave you a thumbs up. Because in that comment, you expressed the problem you encounter with this, and why you don’t like it. You kept it rooted in your opinion, and didn’t try to position it as anything else, which I respect and admire. Sometimes I struggle with the same thing.

And yes, in other cases, I will be first to admit, I have probably overused the laugh react. Though often I have used it when people are making negative implications about me. I also have used it as a substitute for a disagree react, but I probably shouldn’t use it that way, because it’s probably not always interpreted that way. And often others, I think you included, but forgive me if I’m wrong, laugh react at my comments as well…. Often I do take the time to write responses, as I am now, but it feels like whenever I do, they end up getting twisted or in other cases, laughed down and ignored… I think both sides of this discussion really need to do better here and listen to each other, myself included in that. 🙂👍🏻

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

We tried to create a thread for that, but it very quickly was overrun.

Could you expand on this? What do you mean?

 

[TumbleDryer]

And again, we have. We tried to create a thread for that, but it very quickly was overrun. It seems anyone on our side of the debate is shouted down and isn’t allowed to do so in peace… I have stated several aspects of the new design I find to be an improvement numerous times.

And sometimes people can say “I don’t have that issue” often that’s been with bugs that some are trying to claim are widespread and everyone must be encountering or something with claims like “this is the most buggy version of macOS ever” (insert screenshot of niche bug that most have probably never heard of)…. It’s perfectly valid to say you’re not encountering an issue someone is positioning as “universal”… 🤷🏼‍♂️

I've been looking at your responses to posts asking you why you think LiquidGlass is an improvement and Im yet to see an actual informative/compelling response. I don't mean that in a nasty way but you said you were a designer so Im interested in your viewpoint as to why you think LiquidGlass is an improvement because as you know Im a designer too and you know my position on it. It offers less function and is plain ugly - so I want to know what you see in it and why it works for you more out of curiosity than anything. I don't know any other designer that likes it.

I wont name names but others have also tried to get responses from you in this regard and each time your response doesn't cover the 'why' it works for you other than you think its 'nice' and 'modern'. I think that's why you get a bit of flack (or shouted down as you put it) because you don't offer substance behind your posts. I did say before about trying to offer a critique of LiquidGlass that can add weight to your position, it's one of the first things you learn in design school - how to critique something so you can offer constructive criticism to the designer so that they may learn and improve but you should also be able to do the same for why you think it works for you.

The thread you started literally said 'you liked it because its nice' and it fell apart from there. If you offered more substance to your findings you would probably find better response to your posts.

That's from an old designer to a new one. 👍

 

[Kal Madda]

Could you expand on this? What do you mean?

I started said thread, and people began to discuss what they liked about Liquid Glass and Tahoe. Then people came in claiming people with positive opinions were “shills”, “bots”, etc…. Anyone who shared a positive opinion in the thread about the positive aspects of Tahoe and Liquid Glass were laughed down and name-called by a number of individuals. It was really disheartening and sad to see. It devolved extremely fast.

 

[steve333]

I've been saying this for a while, it takes far too much cognition to just use the system now. Things that shouldn't even be part of conscious thought are thrust forward and slows your productivity as you fight to interpret what youre looking at. Yes it's subtle but there is such a thing as cognitive overload. Couple the extraneous effort of navigating all the distractions, low contrast, extra clicks, truncated filenames etc with your actual mental workload in a professional setting and it all adds up to a mentally draining experience using Tahoe which lowers productivity and costs money.

Exactly.
Apple under Cook has lost it's main reason for being-simplicity for the user.
It has gone in the opposite direction with Tahoe being the ultimate fail in that regard.

 

[Kal Madda]

I've been looking at your responses to posts asking you why you think LiquidGlass is an improvement and Im yet to see an actual informative/compelling response. I don't mean that in a nasty way but you said you were a designer so Im interested in your viewpoint as to why you think LiquidGlass is an improvement because as you know Im a designer too and you know my position on it. It offers less function and is plain ugly - so I want to know what you see in it and why it works for you more out of curiosity than anything.

I wont name names but others have also tried to get responses from you in this regard and each time your response doesn't cover the 'why' it works for you other than you think its 'nice' and 'modern'. I think that's why you get a bit of flack (or shouted down as you put it) because you don't offer substance behind your posts. I did say before about trying to offer a critique of LiquidGlass that can add weight to your position, it's one of the first things you learn in design school - how to critique something so you can offer constructive criticism to the designer so that they may learn and improve but you should also be able to do the same for why you think it works for you.

The thread you started literally said 'you liked it because its nice' and it fell apart from there. If you offered more substance to your findings you would probably find better response to your posts.

That's from an old designer to a new one. 👍

I think you’re only looking at the first comment in that thread? I discussed in later comments how more of my project is visible in Pixelmator Pro with Liquid Glass vs a solid toolbar design. How I found it to be less distracting to me, and I find it more visually pleasant, and a visually pleasant workspace tends to make me more productive. I’ve discussed how the greater consistency between Apple’s UI designs for first-party apps improves my workflow and makes me have to think less about which device I’m using, because options are more consistent. I’ve discussed all these things. I can put together another long form comment here if explaining my position. I often struggle to communicate my thoughts accurately (I know, ironic since I tend to talk a lot), but it can be a struggle to put some of these things properly into words. And in my defense, that’s one of the only threads I’ve ever put together here, and had very limited time at that time to write the comment. I’m used to just designing and creating something that looks visually appealing, not having to explain why it’s appealing if that makes any sense… 🙂👍🏻.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

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I often struggle to communicate my thoughts accurately (I know, ironic since I tend to talk a lot), but it can be a struggle to put some of these things properly into words.

May I just say that, although you are not obligated to do so, just knowing this can make a huge difference to the ways in which we (users) communicate with one-another.

If you are genuine that you struggle to articulate your thoughts, then don’t be afraid to speak up about it - I don’t for one second believe anyone here is “out to get” anyone else.

But the rest of your message actually describes well why you have your own opinions, and I believe that if you communicated this effectively more often, discussions would be a lot more focused. But that’s just my own thoughts.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

I’m used to just designing and creating something that looks visually appealing, not having to explain why it’s appealing if that makes any sense… 🙂👍🏻.

This is likely were the issue resides.

Members here use their Macs in different ways for different purposes, for different periods. We also all have different history.

I first used Macs back in 1999 and OS 9, so Platinum was what I came to expect at the time. OS X came out and that was a monumental “Wow” moment in how different major operating systems could be. Now I use my Macs for both business and leisure, and I rely on them to make my living and have various workflows.

This setup is very different to any other member, and their own interpretation of Liquid Glass will be defined by their own experiences.

I feel very strongly about the changes in Tahoe because, for the many reasons that I’ve outlined, it is a regression that negatively impacts my own needs.

But I also recognise that it is not a coincidence that other people are experiencing similar views, which is why I believe the design of the OS is fundamentally flawed rather than being an issue with me, the individual user.

 

[TumbleDryer]

I think you’re only looking at the first comment in that thread? I discussed in later comments how more of my project is visible in Pixelmator Pro with Liquid Glass vs a solid toolbar design. How I found it to be less distracting to me, and I find it more visually pleasant, and a visually pleasant workspace tends to make me more productive. I’ve discussed how the greater consistency between Apple’s UI designs for first-party apps improves my workflow and makes me have to think less about which device I’m using, because options are more consistent. I’ve discussed all these things. I can put together another long form comment here if explaining my position. I often struggle to communicate my thoughts accurately (I know, ironic since I tend to talk a lot), but it can be a struggle to put some of these things properly into words. And in my defense, that’s one of the only threads I’ve ever put together here, and had very limited time at that time to write the comment. I’m used to just designing and creating something that looks visually appealing, not having to explain why it’s appealing if that makes any sense… 🙂👍🏻.

Well I have to admit I missed that one then I will check it out.

I don't want to sound like an ***hole but I've been quite successful in my career and some advice to you would be to create things that are useful not appealing. If they are useful they are naturally appealing i.e. form follows function. A logo for example needs to be memorised quickly and recalled equally quickly from memory for maximum effectiveness - you don't want potential customers going to your competitors because they can't recall your company name but remembered your competitor first. It's why Apple went from a full on detailed etching of Newton sitting under a tree to a simple minimal apple symbol. Adding loads of effects to make it look 'nice' means theres more information to take in which means it takes longer to commit to memory so in essence effective design is minimal hence the 'less is more' mantra. This is my view on LiquidGlass, lots of needless distractions that serve no purpose other than to 'look nice' however my opinion is it does not and these needless effects affect function.

If you're just making nice looking things it's art not design. Design solves problems so you should be explaining why it 'works' not how it 'looks'. Anyone can make something look 'nice' but if the nice looking car has square wheels it ain't gonna work lol.

Maybe this 'confusion' is the cause of some of your flack.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

If you're just making nice looking things it's art not design. Design solves problems so you should be explaining why it 'works' not how it 'looks'. Anyone can make something look 'nice' but if the nice looking car has square wheels it ain't gonna work lol.

Maybe this 'confusion' is the cause of some of your flack.

Well said.

 

[star-affinity]

It hasn’t been problematic to me. 🤷🏼‍♂️. And I’m pretty sure there are contrast accessibility settings that absolutely do affect those icons just like everything else on the display.

I'm pretty sure there is not…

Only slightly higher on the accessibility standard’s scale, and it still fails it. And the point isn’t that Apple “could have done a better job in the past”, the point is that macOS default settings has never been designed to perfectly meet said Accessibility standards you are citing. Nor are many other platforms…

The problem is, there are many examples of “low contrast” stuff just like the examples you’re using but in older macOS versions as well.

OK, then those areas were bad. But now it has moved to more places than historically – that is the concern.

So pretending that macOS was always “high contrast” until Tahoe came along just isn’t accurate.

Not pretending that. But here are more places where there is an issue than before.

That narrative quickly falls apart when held to scrutiny. And as to the “just because they could have done better in the past doesn’t justify them doing worse now” argument, the thing is, people weren’t making such a fuss over many elements of the older designs that were either just as “low contrast” on Figma’s accessibility scale or even worse in several cases. That’s the point. It seems suspect that you had these supposed “low visibility” elements for decades that we didn’t see tons of threads in this forum about, yet the moment Apple introduces something new with about the same number of “low contrast” elements, people suddenly are nitpicking things and pulling out accessibility color standards, and everything.

Take, for example, the symbols that are used on folders in macOS for many years now.

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This is actually lower contrast according to Figma’s accessibility scale than the symbols on files in Tahoe. And it’s been used in macOS for about at least a decade, I think even longer. Yet I never saw threads constantly posting screenshots of these folder symbols and trying to make claims that macOS was “low visibility” and that people couldn’t use it… It seems that people are being selective and hyper-analyzing the new version…

We were talking about the look of the files here compared to previous MacOS versions.
I don't think my colleague works so much with his home folders. If he did he might have complained about that too.
Anyway, adding low contrast icons and text to more places isn't really moving in the right direction, is it?

But an improvement in Tahoe for the folders (including those in the home folders) is that you can give them different colors! 👍

No, I wouldn’t say that just because a UI’s default settings don’t meet that particular accessibility standard that it’s a “bad design”. If we were to try to make that argument, than virtually every major platform for decades have been “bad designs”. It’s far more probable, that the accessibility standard isn’t the only consideration when you’re designing UI, it’s just a thing that can be factored for people with vision issues, but isn’t the only metric of what constitutes a good design or not… Like with the white text on blue background example. This fails the cited accessibility standard and gets a low score, even though this is used with Exit signs along highways that show traveler services. These are signs that also must be read quickly. So clearly it’s visible enough for people to read in fast moving vehicles for the vast majority of people. It’s also used for handicap parking signs. Yet it’s score in the Figma accessibility tool is only slightly higher than the file thumbnails you are talking about… So either Figma’s accessibility tool demonstrates that the file thumbnails are nearly just as visible as Exit traveler services signs and handicap parking signs, or the cited accessibility standard is inaccurate?

Furthermore, there are many examples of UI elements in older versions of macOS that are scored lower by the accessibility standard than the symbols on files in Tahoe. Like that email in that screenshot is rated lower than the file symbols…

The new app icons don’t look “more or less the same”. They just share a consistent outer shape and size. Just as buttons in toolbars don’t look “more or less the same” because they share the same outer button shape, but use different symbols to represent their functions…. It just makes the App Dock look more balanced and consistent. And I no longer have to take the time to make a squircle app icon for every third-party app that tries to use some weird shape for their icon in order to make things look balanced, because macOS now does that for me automatically.

I agree that is nice!

Most people don’t probably tend to use tons of DMG files… And as I said, the file name, file extension, and category the files are in are the primary way of sorting out file types. It isn’t “moving focus”, to point out the fact that in most scenarios these thumbnails aren’t even visible because most files render preview thumbnails of the file.

I don't think this is a good argument. There are still many people who work with DMG files and files that don't get thumbnails in the Finder. If there is a regression here it should be taken seriously.

And the symbols on said folders are given a lower accessibility score by Figma’s tool than the file thumbnails, yet I notice you didn’t mention the custom folder icons are “illegible”… 🧐

No. Again, discerning the folders in the home folder by the icons on them likely isn't as much of a concern compared to having long lists of different file type.

Just two random blogs. Just because some bloggers who have motive to sell negativity for clicks claim something doesn’t make it so… 🤷🏼‍♂️. And no, it is not “scientific” it is opinion…

Didn't say that the blogs were scientific. But the contrast measurements are. That Apple has been doing mistakes about that in the past doesn't warrant more places to get a lower contrast.

It's interesting that you just think those blogs are opinions, yet they show several examples of icons inconsistency all the while you claim consistency is so very important and improved in the latest OS versions from Apple? 🤔

Oh, well… Never ending discussion this.
I'm at least still irritated about the app switcher in Tahoe in that it misalignes the text under the apps at the beginning and at the end of the app switcher when the app switcher has so many apps that it starts to touche the left and right side of the screen. Feels pretty sloppy of Apple to have let that slip.

Again, hoping this will get better in updates to Tahoe and later MacOS releases!

 

[svenmany]

Going back to being able to edit the title in the title bar I may be wrong but Im pretty sure you could do that pre Tahoe? I however can NOT do it in Tahoe?

I tried to look back in this thread to see if you described it in more detail, but didn't see anything.

I can edit titles in the title bar for some programs and not some others. I can do it in the new and old Numbers application, so I think if the application uses Apple's standard API for displaying the title, it should work. What program are you using that doesn't work?

 

[TumbleDryer]

I tried to look back in this thread to see if you described it in more detail, but didn't see anything.

I can edit titles in the title bar for some programs and not some others. I can do it in the new and old Numbers application, so I think if the application uses Apple's standard API for displaying the title, it should work. What program are you using that doesn't work?

I was referring to 'going back' to the point in the post I was replying to. I didn't mean I had mentioned it in the thread previously if that's what you mean. 🙂

As for the app im trying to use its the Finder 😂 I cant rename a folder for example using the titlebar. Pretty sure you could do it in the past but I could be mistaken. I'll find out this week as Im going to revert back to Sequoia. lol.

 

[fisherking]

I was referring to 'going back' to the point in the post I was replying to. I didn't mean I had mentioned it in the thread previously if that's what you mean. 🙂

As for the app im trying to use its the Finder 😂 I cant rename a folder for example using the titlebar. Pretty sure you could do it in the past but I could be mistaken. I'll find out this week as Im going to revert back to Sequoia. lol.

sequioa's pretty great; but we'll miss you on the tahoe forum 😔

 

[TumbleDryer]

sequioa's pretty great; but we'll miss you on the tahoe forum 😔

Don't worry I hate iOS26 too.

 

[Luftkopf]

The thing that has been striking me as I read this forum, not just this thread, is the implicit assumption that only negative opinions about Apple are genuinely free thought. If you like something Apple has done, anything at all really, then you are called an Apple Shill | Evangelist | [insert pejorative here], your opinion is clearly invalid because you don't hate Apple. In this thread people are complaining that there are people coming here to interrupt their hate circlejerk, yet will gleefully pile on a thread about what we like about Tahoe with endless hate.

There are aspects I am not a huge fan of in Tahoe, but overall, I like it. There are still a few bugs, but nothing that gets in the way of just using my computer.

I am this close to just logging off of this forum. I don't have the energy to keep wading through so much hate. There are still a few good threads that keep me coming back though, so I am trialling ignoring the members who seem only here to hate and criticise.

I've been saying this for a while, it takes far too much cognition to just use the system now. Things that shouldn't even be part of conscious thought are thrust forward and slows your productivity as you fight to interpret what youre looking at. Yes it's subtle but there is such a thing as cognitive overload. Couple the extraneous effort of navigating all the distractions, low contrast, extra clicks, truncated filenames etc with your actual mental workload in a professional setting and it all adds up to a mentally draining experience using Tahoe which lowers productivity and costs money.

Are you just overstating it for the purposes of clarity? Because that's not been my experience. I installed the first public beta, looked around for a few minutes to see what looked different, then just got on with my work. It's still macOS, it all pretty much still works the same way, and none of it has added any load. Maybe it's just lost in the noise of having an 8 week old baby whilst having chronic fatigue? I don't know. It's all a storm in a teacup to me.

I suppose I should also state that I use my MacBook for my job. I don't know whether drafting and thermal modelling of residential dwellings counts as a professional setting to you, but it's what I do.

 

[fisherking]

Don't worry I hate iOS26 too.

am not worried 🤷

 

[svenmany]

I was referring to 'going back' to the point in the post I was replying to. I didn't mean I had mentioned it in the thread previously if that's what you mean. 🙂

As for the app im trying to use its the Finder 😂 I cant rename a folder for example using the titlebar. Pretty sure you could do it in the past but I could be mistaken. I'll find out this week as Im going to revert back to Sequoia. lol.

I see.

I just tested on a few computers. I can't rename a folder in Finder's title area on Tahoe, Sequoia, Big Sur, or Monterey. I think I've never been able to rename folders in any application's title bar.

 

[Kal Madda]

Well I have to admit I missed that one then I will check it out.

I don't want to sound like an ***hole but I've been quite successful in my career and some advice to you would be to create things that are useful not appealing. If they are useful they are naturally appealing i.e. form follows function. A logo for example needs to be memorised quickly and recalled equally quickly from memory for maximum effectiveness - you don't want potential customers going to your competitors because they can't recall your company name but remembered your competitor first. It's why Apple went from a full on detailed etching of Newton sitting under a tree to a simple minimal apple symbol. Adding loads of effects to make it look 'nice' means theres more information to take in which means it takes longer to commit to memory so in essence effective design is minimal hence the 'less is more' mantra. This is my view on LiquidGlass, lots of needless distractions that serve no purpose other than to 'look nice' however my opinion is it does not and these needless effects affect function.

Oh, for sure I agree about designing functional stuff rather than just making it look good. I aim for a balance of both. And if I’m honest, I don’t think Apple’s original logo with Newton looked very good in the first place. But then again, it was a different time with different design tastes. 👍🏻. As to the Liquid Glass design, I personally don’t find the addition of the glass effect to impair functionality, I find it actually tends to make more of my content visible, and makes the UI less distracting to me. I don’t see the addition of the glass effect as really breaking with minimalism. I would also say, floating toolbars that just use the space required to house the buttons seems more in line with minimalism than a full solid bar, with the floating buttons and toolbars using only the space required for the controls. But that’s my opinion.

I definitely lean hard toward minimalism in my design. I’ll share a couple design examples I’ve used for my own projects as examples.

First there’s my logo for my graphic design business. I created it several years ago early in my graphic design business, so it could definitely use some improvement, but it is definitely minimalist:

Then there’s my logo for ByteBits (my SubStack, where, btw, I wrote a rather scathing review of the new Apps page for macOS 26 several months ago):

And then there’s the app icon I designed recently for a web app I’ve been working on:

You may notice a trend towards minimalism here. 🙂👍🏻

If you're just making nice looking things it's art not design. Design solves problems so you should be explaining why it 'works' not how it 'looks'. Anyone can make something look 'nice' but if the nice looking car has square wheels it ain't gonna work lol.

Maybe this 'confusion' is the cause of some of your flack.

I think a balance of both is needed. Things can be functional and look nice. I personally think that in most cases, Liquid Glass achieves both. But I do also make digital art in addition to practical design like logos, brochures and such. Mostly wallpapers, and also some posters. A couple examples here:

I actually designed this wallpaper to go with version 26 and Liquid Glass, with reference to Lake Tahoe.

Then there’s this rose wallpaper I made recently, though this is a lower resolution copy for sake of posting here.

So a lot of my digital art is this more minimalist gradient style. Basic shapes and gradients do the heavy lifting. 👍🏻

So as you can probably gather here, I definitely lean towards simple design. 👍🏻

 

[fisherking]

I don't want to sound like an ***hole but I've been quite successful in my career and some advice to you would be to create things that are useful not appealing.

why can't one create something that's useful and appealing, i mean, why can't both of those things be the goal?

i was a successful freelance mac support person in NYC for about 16 years; is my advice (from that POV) equally valuable? 🤔

 

[elptdbi3lYI]

why can't one create something that's useful and appealing, i mean, why can't both of those things be the goal?

yeah, that's what mavericks and mojave were

 

[Kal Madda]

yeah, that's what mavericks and mojave were

I respect you think those versions looked appealing, but they absolutely didn’t look appealing to me. Many aspects of those designs look hideous to me. I was on Catalina for a while, it looked awful, and that was the first time I ever ended up going to the lengths of customizing app icons and such.

 

[onepotatoetoo]

And then there’s the app icon I designed recently for a web app I’ve been working on:

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JFC no offence but that's just so bad my eyes will never recover. The composition and quality is a wreck. I've seen ChatGPT generate slop better than that.