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I care about exactly 2 things in this update. I know it’s my problem but what it says about Apple? I used to be excited about almost everything. Guess I’m old now at 29.
Yep. There's a lot of default app updates, which is fine and if you use them. Beyond that, there's a very minor set of features in this release that impact my world.
 
Yes, right-click. It turns out that using 2+ mouse buttons is helpful and has pretty much no downsides.

My Mighty Mouse had a right-click in ... 2005? It was nice
I'm sorry, you bought a Mighty Mouse...

It's called "Control-click," for what it's worth. Looks like you've been using the things for a while -- woulda thought you'd have picked up on this by now?

 
Ok forum users. How many of you are upgrading today or waiting for a few dot upgrades before making the move?
I think I'm going to sit this one out. The weather app is nice, and the upgrades to Mail are also nice, but if I really need a better email client I'll get thunderbird. There is nothing on the above list that rattles my cage. And since the mini in the stereo cabinet, my media hub, is stuck on Monterey, There is no reason to upgrade this laptop there either. And by sitting this one out, I mean Ventura. Monterey has been rock steady on both machines.

The threat of a vast number of new bugs is also an issue. We'll see what comes up next year.
 
"Simply right-click on the message in your inbox..."

Right-click? wtf is this?! I thought I was on Macrumors reading an article about macOS?
You are still doing Ctrl + Click? Did you know that the right click has been available on the Apple mouse for like 15 years now? Did you know that you can do the same on the Magic Trackpad with a two-finger click (or tap)? So, yes. It's called a right click.
 
When deleting a message on Ventura the first time does it provide an alert about the new recently deleted "feature". As if not, I imagine most all would have no idea that when explicitly deleting a message it is still accessible to anyone who gains access to the computer when logged in.
This was implemented by a request from the authorities.
 
I'll be waiting until a few point releases in. One good thing it is a ~5GB d/l which will only be 2-3 hours for me. The ~12GB d/l for Monterey tied my internet up for the better part of a day.
 
I honestly created a MacRumors account to post this. Stage Manager is the worst piece of UX I've ever seen.

It’s honestly like they let someone completely high take over the UX. It’s insane.
  1. Clicking the representation of an app in the dock or vertical dock does the exact same thing.
  2. Creating groups of apps to switch between (as ‘stages’?) is so unintuitive I still have no idea how to do it. You can’t drag apps onto a ‘stage’ icon, or out of them… you seem to have to have the ‘destination’ stage open, AND the desired target app top of stack in the stage icon, then drag that into the desired (open) stage. If it’s not top of stack, you have to go into that stage and somehow make it top of stage, then go back to the destination stage and try again (brain explode).
  3. Doing a three-finger down swipe to reveal all windows of an app shows ALL windows of that app, not respecting the stages you set up. So ALL your browser windows will show, regardless of whether you have set up stages for photography, development, work, etc., with browser windows in each.
  4. Three-fingers up swipe will show ‘Mission Control’ and ALL open windows, again regardless of stage… how does that help you compartmentalize your freaking workflow?
  5. You can only have five stages open at a time.. uh… what?
  6. The stages stay behind any open windows that overlap them.. wtf?!
  7. You can’t label stages to keep track of which is meant to be which
  8. The background behind the stage manager remains clickable, so if you miss a stage icon cluster you’re liable to toggle a figma layer or such
  9. Super glitchy behavior, e.g. closing an import window in Capture One briefly causes the whole collapse/expand animation to happen again while the ‘manager’ gets confused about whether you just close the whole app
  10. The main Dock is now fairly redundant and loses muscle memory, adding cognitive load when you do need to think about where/how to do something.
  11. It’s super jarring to have everything constantly move away and only one window open at a time. There’s no physical metaphor behind it, like switching desktop (in the proper way that Windows does that, with localized ‘Mission Control’ per desktop, localized taskbar, etc., unlike Mac multiple desktop). It’s more like kiosk design, with one giant thing looming in your view while everything else is swept away to you-know-not-where.
  12. If not for breaking up apps into groups of related apps to allow for focused workflows, what exactly what this point of this feature? It's literally not doing what it seems to be trying to do, and instead we just have random UI animation that hinders rather than helps anything.
OMG. This makes the Touch Bar look like disciplined and enlightened UX. It's the worst design I've ever seen from Apple; the upside-down mouse charging at least is easy to understand and results in a charged mouse. This is dysfunctional, incomprehensible, and can't be mastered.

This should never have been released. Steve Jobs is not only rolling in his grave, he’s probably digging to find a wormhole to another universe.

I’m done. My takeaway is they’ve successfully simulated what it feels like to have dementia. I can’t find anything, can’t get anything done, and I don’t understand the rules of the cosmos anymore.
 
Isn't "Copy/Paste Edits" in Photos the same as/an evolution of "Copy/Paste Adjustments" in prior versions?

Speaking of Photos, I used to like the memories feature, until they forced a crappy soundtrack. I wish I could disable just that part of the feature.

Have they made any improvements related to Shortcuts?

Stage Manager depresses me. MacOS really needs better window management. Now it has another half-assed addition to its insufficient window management. Great.
 
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I have to say so far actually Stage Manager is nice on the Mac if only because it gives a better place into which to minimize windows.

Not sure I'm crazy about the changes to the network configuration pane, but most people probably don't change network configurations as often as I do.

System settings isn't the dumpster fire I was lead to believe it would be. Not sure it's a total improvement, but not too bad.

Finally fixed the bug of mousing over notifications to hit the x and having the x disappear.

Still want to see Apple slow down a bit next cycle and have a refinement year, but compared to iOS 16.0, 16.1 for all platforms (be real Ventura might as well be called 16.1 as well) is actually not bad.
 
You are still doing Ctrl + Click? Did you know that the right click has been available on the Apple mouse for like 15 years now? Did you know that you can do the same on the Magic Trackpad with a two-finger click (or tap)? So, yes. It's called a right click.
It’s really not. You realize most Mac users use the trackpads on their laptops, right? While some people do right-click using a mouse, the actual function is NOT called “right-click.”
 
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I honestly created a MacRumors account to post this. Stage Manager is the worst piece of UX I've ever seen.

It’s honestly like they let someone completely high take over the UX. It’s insane.
  1. Clicking the representation of an app in the dock or vertical dock does the exact same thing.
  2. Creating groups of apps to switch between (as ‘stages’?) is so unintuitive I still have no idea how to do it. You can’t drag apps onto a ‘stage’ icon, or out of them… you seem to have to have the ‘destination’ stage open, AND the desired target app top of stack in the stage icon, then drag that into the desired (open) stage. If it’s not top of stack, you have to go into that stage and somehow make it top of stage, then go back to the destination stage and try again (brain explode).
  3. Doing a three-finger down swipe to reveal all windows of an app shows ALL windows of that app, not respecting the stages you set up. So ALL your browser windows will show, regardless of whether you have set up stages for photography, development, work, etc., with browser windows in each.
  4. Three-fingers up swipe will show ‘Mission Control’ and ALL open windows, again regardless of stage… how does that help you compartmentalize your freaking workflow?
  5. You can only have five stages open at a time.. uh… what?
  6. The stages stay behind any open windows that overlap them.. wtf?!
  7. You can’t label stages to keep track of which is meant to be which
  8. The background behind the stage manager remains clickable, so if you miss a stage icon cluster you’re liable to toggle a figma layer or such
  9. Super glitchy behavior, e.g. closing an import window in Capture One briefly causes the whole collapse/expand animation to happen again while the ‘manager’ gets confused about whether you just close the whole app
  10. The main Dock is now fairly redundant and loses muscle memory, adding cognitive load when you do need to think about where/how to do something.
  11. It’s super jarring to have everything constantly move away and only one window open at a time. There’s no physical metaphor behind it, like switching desktop (in the proper way that Windows does that, with localized ‘Mission Control’ per desktop, localized taskbar, etc., unlike Mac multiple desktop). It’s more like kiosk design, with one giant thing looming in your view while everything else is swept away to you-know-not-where.
  12. If not for breaking up apps into groups of related apps to allow for focused workflows, what exactly what this point of this feature? It's literally not doing what it seems to be trying to do, and instead we just have random UI animation that hinders rather than helps anything.
OMG. This makes the Touch Bar look like disciplined and enlightened UX. It's the worst design I've ever seen from Apple; the upside-down mouse charging at least is easy to understand and results in a charged mouse. This is dysfunctional, incomprehensible, and can't be mastered.

This should never have been released. Steve Jobs is not only rolling in his grave, he’s probably digging to find a wormhole to another universe.

I’m done. My takeaway is they’ve successfully simulated what it feels like to have dementia. I can’t find anything, can’t get anything done, and I don’t understand the rules of the cosmos anymore.

I was excited by this but your review terrifies me. I also read you cannot use hotkeys (just like the new Notification Center). Why can’t Apple figure out task and window switching on macOS? It’s a disaster and always has been.
 
Every release there's this one missing feature - automatically xcode-select tools installation. Every single time I update my system I need to do the xcode-select dance. Fix this already.
 
Good article, lots of little things that you might not otherwise notice.

Install of 13.0 this morning was unexpectedly speedy, less than 45 minutes from clicking the upgrade button to first boot, and also a remarkably slimline 6 GB installer.
 
I care about exactly 2 things in this update. I know it’s my problem but what it says about Apple? I used to be excited about almost everything. Guess I’m old now at 29.
What it is saying is that desktop operating systems are a mature technology that, for most people, have been getting the job done for the last decade or two. That doesn’t mean that there will never be worthwhile innovations, but they will be few and far between compared to the early days when the tech was still maturing. Apple are determined to produce a major OS update every year but simply can’t produce enough good new ideas to make every one a show-stopper. So we get a lot of change for change‘s sake, added complexity and bloat.
 
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Control panel is a F’ing mess. This is a MacBook, Apple, not an iPhone. I can’t find any of my settings without using the search function so that’s fun. I also can no longer prioritize my Wi-Fi networks either so my laptop is constantly trying to connect to my N network instead of the much faster AC network, which is also fun.
 
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