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macOS Ventura: 50 New Features and Changes Worth Checking Out

moonbeamhorseshit said:
I honestly created a MacRumors account to post this. Stage Manager is the worst piece of UX I've ever seen.

It’s honestly like they let someone completely high take over the UX. It’s insane.
  1. Clicking the representation of an app in the dock or vertical dock does the exact same thing.
  2. Creating groups of apps to switch between (as ‘stages’?) is so unintuitive I still have no idea how to do it. You can’t drag apps onto a ‘stage’ icon, or out of them… you seem to have to have the ‘destination’ stage open, AND the desired target app top of stack in the stage icon, then drag that into the desired (open) stage. If it’s not top of stack, you have to go into that stage and somehow make it top of stage, then go back to the destination stage and try again (brain explode).
  3. Doing a three-finger down swipe to reveal all windows of an app shows ALL windows of that app, not respecting the stages you set up. So ALL your browser windows will show, regardless of whether you have set up stages for photography, development, work, etc., with browser windows in each.
  4. Three-fingers up swipe will show ‘Mission Control’ and ALL open windows, again regardless of stage… how does that help you compartmentalize your freaking workflow?
  5. You can only have five stages open at a time.. uh… what?
  6. The stages stay behind any open windows that overlap them.. wtf?!
  7. You can’t label stages to keep track of which is meant to be which
  8. The background behind the stage manager remains clickable, so if you miss a stage icon cluster you’re liable to toggle a figma layer or such
  9. Super glitchy behavior, e.g. closing an import window in Capture One briefly causes the whole collapse/expand animation to happen again while the ‘manager’ gets confused about whether you just close the whole app
  10. The main Dock is now fairly redundant and loses muscle memory, adding cognitive load when you do need to think about where/how to do something.
  11. It’s super jarring to have everything constantly move away and only one window open at a time. There’s no physical metaphor behind it, like switching desktop (in the proper way that Windows does that, with localized ‘Mission Control’ per desktop, localized taskbar, etc., unlike Mac multiple desktop). It’s more like kiosk design, with one giant thing looming in your view while everything else is swept away to you-know-not-where.
  12. If not for breaking up apps into groups of related apps to allow for focused workflows, what exactly what this point of this feature? It's literally not doing what it seems to be trying to do, and instead we just have random UI animation that hinders rather than helps anything.
OMG. This makes the Touch Bar look like disciplined and enlightened UX. It's the worst design I've ever seen from Apple; the upside-down mouse charging at least is easy to understand and results in a charged mouse. This is dysfunctional, incomprehensible, and can't be mastered.

This should never have been released. Steve Jobs is not only rolling in his grave, he’s probably digging to find a wormhole to another universe.

I’m done. My takeaway is they’ve successfully simulated what it feels like to have dementia. I can’t find anything, can’t get anything done, and I don’t understand the rules of the cosmos anymore.
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I’ve seen the revews and they are really mixed I think I’m staying on Monterey and would suggest you do too
 
More than half these things are app updates, or available on Safari 16.1 in Monterrey. Why are OS updates nothing but app upgrades? Can they really not update the apps without needing a whole new OS?
 
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#51 - In iMessage, you can now select multiple messages and delete them all with a single click!! This was the feature I was most looking forward to, and not one article I've read has mentioned it. With the incredible amount of spam being delivered via iMessage, this will save me five minutes every time I open my Mac. The iOS version of iMessage has had this seemingly basic feature forever, but the Mac version hasn't.

As for the rest, I've found Ventura to be rock solid so far (knock wood). And since I don't need to use Stage Manager or some of the other "improvements" that folks are upset with, I'd say Ventura was very much worth the nothing I paid for it, several times over.
 
preetb said:
Stage Manager is a badly executed good idea by people like Federlighi who never uses it. For example, try to attach a file from Finder into Gmail. Geniuses who coded Stage Manager won't let you. You actually have to shut down Stage Manager and redo it.

If you actually work, which I'm not sure Apple's top managers actually do, you might like to individually separate pages of the same app into their own piece of Stage Manager as they may pertain to different subjects. But no, there is no such ability.

Stage Manager is not more than a marketing gimmick in an entire OS update that has ripped off existing features from Google and elsewhere.
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Totally agree! This is why for me Stage Manager is kind of useless.
 
This is a great article.
Yet, I would suggest another one: what about listing functions Apple killed/ruined in this transition from Monterey to Ventura?
I have one: why on Earth did Apple removed the ability con customize date formats?
Now we are limited to the few options Apple decided to allow, depending on the country we are.
I used to have dates in the forma DD.MM.YYYY, now I am limited to DD/MM/YYY or YYYY-MM-DD.
I know Germany has the format I need, but why did Apple removed this useful feature?
 
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This is a great article.
Yet, I would suggest another one: what about listing functions Apple killed/ruined in this transition from Monterey to Ventura?
I have one: why on Earth did Apple removed the ability con customize date formats?
Now we are limited to the few options Apple decided to allow, depending on the country we are.
I used to have dates in the forma DD.MM.YYYY, now I am limited to DD/MM/YYY or YYYY-MM-DD.
I know Germany has the format I need, but why did Apple removed this useful feature?
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The plus signs to add items in Reminders turned into dotted circles when I upgraded to Ventura.
 
moonbeamhorseshit said:
It’s honestly like they let someone completely high take over the UX. It’s insane. [...]

I’m done. My takeaway is they’ve successfully simulated what it feels like to have dementia. I can’t find anything, can’t get anything done, and I don’t understand the rules of the cosmos anymore.
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MacOS getting more into one's way is wrong. I can manage just fine, 'Stage Manager' is, while perhaps not entirely impossible to master, completely useless. In fact, it manages for the sake of managing, without being helpful for anything. The rest of the "updates" are irrelevant to me, since I'm moving/have moved out of apple-cage apps (Mail > Thunderbird, Safari (no delete cookies at end of session > Brave9 etc. Quick View from Spotlight is one feature which is fine, having network addresses another. Decluttering Photos is ok, but moving away from that anyway. So; the most important question which again, hasn't been adressed is: Since MacOS is essentially spyware with some OS around it, what about that? Tried it, not impressed. Far more things got worse than better. Some "duh" implementations, otherwise just a way for Apple to make you "update" software and pay for it.
 
dazzysima said:
Still no way of stopping attachments embedding into emails entirely, huh?
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You could use Thunderbird. It's also the only mail app that blocks automated remote content... something Apple wants you to go to "Lockdown" mode for... (go figure)
 
Danfango said:
Ok I'm an hour in now and I can't find anything buggy or obtuse. Yet. Seems pretty solid.

It's not like a Microsoft product.
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It seems to be as close to perfect as it can be, and even on my early 2015 MacBook Air that I had to use OCLP to install Ventura on, it seems to seriously improve the performance of the operating system. Stage manager is so cool as well. Microsoft could NEVER develop an operating system that works as well as Ventura does at all, let alone at launch date.
 
Time Machine Backup Frequency.

I am happy to get some options - every hour is excessive for me. But why the jump from hourly to every 24 hours?

With totally free choice, I'd probably have gone for every 4, 6, maybe even 8 hours.

This sort of thing appears to be at the utterly trivial end of the scale for Apple to offer.
 
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MacRumors said:
42. Game Controller Menu in Settings

In System Settings, there is a new game controller menu in the app for managing game controllers connected to a Mac. The menu allows macOS Ventura users to map a controller's buttons and thumbsticks to a Mac's keyboard, adjust haptic feedback levels, create profiles with presets for multiple controllers, and more.

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macOS Ventura features newly added support for some of the most popular racing wheels, pedals, and shifters for use in racing games on the Mac, including Logitech's G920 and G29 racing wheels, according to Apple's developer website. Apple also says that macOS Ventura supports many additional Bluetooth and USB game controllers, with users discovering that this includes the Nintendo Switch's Joy-Cons and Pro Controller.
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LOOOOOOOOOOL! Apple had THIS on their priority list? Where the games at you even use this feature? Hell, even when there are games, controllers don't work (lookin' at you, Overcooked!)
 
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Nicky G said:
I'm sorry, you bought a Mighty Mouse...

It's called "Control-click," for what it's worth. Looks like you've been using the things for a while -- woulda thought you'd have picked up on this by now?

Right-click on Mac

On your Mac, Control-click the desktop, icons, or files to open shortcut menus.
support.apple.com support.apple.com
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Correct, in cases where Right-Click is not available Control-Click words the same

The Mighty Mouse was ... definitely interesting. Of note: the additional button that you could press by squeezing and mouse AND the fact that the mouse ball scrolling sound was actually created by a speaker!
 
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Is there a way to add the weather to the menu bar and add the stopwatch/timer to the clock option on the menu bar?
 
moonbeamhorseshit said:
I honestly created a MacRumors account to post this. Stage Manager is the worst piece of UX I've ever seen.

It’s honestly like they let someone completely high take over the UX. It’s insane.
  1. Clicking the representation of an app in the dock or vertical dock does the exact same thing.
  2. Creating groups of apps to switch between (as ‘stages’?) is so unintuitive I still have no idea how to do it. You can’t drag apps onto a ‘stage’ icon, or out of them… you seem to have to have the ‘destination’ stage open, AND the desired target app top of stack in the stage icon, then drag that into the desired (open) stage. If it’s not top of stack, you have to go into that stage and somehow make it top of stage, then go back to the destination stage and try again (brain explode).
  3. Doing a three-finger down swipe to reveal all windows of an app shows ALL windows of that app, not respecting the stages you set up. So ALL your browser windows will show, regardless of whether you have set up stages for photography, development, work, etc., with browser windows in each.
  4. Three-fingers up swipe will show ‘Mission Control’ and ALL open windows, again regardless of stage… how does that help you compartmentalize your freaking workflow?
  5. You can only have five stages open at a time.. uh… what?
  6. The stages stay behind any open windows that overlap them.. wtf?!
  7. You can’t label stages to keep track of which is meant to be which
  8. The background behind the stage manager remains clickable, so if you miss a stage icon cluster you’re liable to toggle a figma layer or such
  9. Super glitchy behavior, e.g. closing an import window in Capture One briefly causes the whole collapse/expand animation to happen again while the ‘manager’ gets confused about whether you just close the whole app
  10. The main Dock is now fairly redundant and loses muscle memory, adding cognitive load when you do need to think about where/how to do something.
  11. It’s super jarring to have everything constantly move away and only one window open at a time. There’s no physical metaphor behind it, like switching desktop (in the proper way that Windows does that, with localized ‘Mission Control’ per desktop, localized taskbar, etc., unlike Mac multiple desktop). It’s more like kiosk design, with one giant thing looming in your view while everything else is swept away to you-know-not-where.
  12. If not for breaking up apps into groups of related apps to allow for focused workflows, what exactly what this point of this feature? It's literally not doing what it seems to be trying to do, and instead we just have random UI animation that hinders rather than helps anything.
OMG. This makes the Touch Bar look like disciplined and enlightened UX. It's the worst design I've ever seen from Apple; the upside-down mouse charging at least is easy to understand and results in a charged mouse. This is dysfunctional, incomprehensible, and can't be mastered.

This should never have been released. Steve Jobs is not only rolling in his grave, he’s probably digging to find a wormhole to another universe.

I’m done. My takeaway is they’ve successfully simulated what it feels like to have dementia. I can’t find anything, can’t get anything done, and I don’t understand the rules of the cosmos anymore.
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bruh just turn it off

oh wait, just don't turn it on


plus some of the things you said are plain wrong: you don't need to move a window to the top of a stack to drag it to another stack
plus, I find it nice when I open something and everything else moves away, less visual clutter but maybe its cause im easily distracted (maybe it should be rebranded as an accessibility feature?)
 
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preetb said:
Stage Manager is a badly executed good idea by people like Federlighi who never uses it. For example, try to attach a file from Finder into Gmail. Geniuses who coded Stage Manager won't let you. You actually have to shut down Stage Manager and redo it.

If you actually work, which I'm not sure Apple's top managers actually do, you might like to individually separate pages of the same app into their own piece of Stage Manager as they may pertain to different subjects. But no, there is no such ability.

Stage Manager is not more than a marketing gimmick in an entire OS update that has ripped off existing features from Google and elsewhere.
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I was excited about this feature, been waiting since it was demoed.

After installing I used and in a few hrs I turned it off. I couldn't wrap my head around it. Later I tried again and this time a bit longer but turned it off again as I was getting irritated with how stage manager would clear the stage for new apps every time I did something. But then I keep coming back and I'm getting more and more used to it now. There are some tweaks required to be honest as I said the moment I do something it just clears the stage for me (desktop) which now I like more often, but still, at times I don't want it to clear. Somewhere that line of separation of when to clear and when not to clear the stage is annoying.

But, in all, anyone who doesn't like it at all, need not turn it ON. But I'll suggest you use it and it might tune your habit around it.

I'm convinced sure Stage Manager is not a marketing gimmick as I thought earlier.
 
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