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macOS Ventura Drops Support for Older Macs, Works With 2017 and Later Machines
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I'm going to have to break the bad news to my mom that her iPhone 7 and MBP Mid 2015 aren't getting anymore updates.
Apple is trying to clean the house. Getting rid of Intel Macs at a fast pace. By 2024 I believe all Intel based Macs will be dropped. At that point well that's the end of the line. Just security updates.
This is disappointing but expected. I am using a 2017 iMac 5K with good specs and I have no plans on upgrading for many years. I’m currently running Mojave and don’t feel the need to upgrade so while the lack of future support (likely next year) is unfortunate and anti-consumer, it won’t affect me personally as I’ll probably stay on Mojave for another couple of years.
I upgraded to a M1 MBP in 2020, but I still have my Early 2015 MBP. It originally came preinstalled with Yosemite (10.10) preinstalled. I have upgrade to as far as Catalina. The fact that I’m not even running the latest version of macOS on it says as much. I was planning on keeping it as a compatibility unit for my Photoshop CS6, but succumbed to the pestering nagging from various apps.
Nine version upgrades though is a good run. I expect the same for my M1 Mac.
Nine version upgrades though is a good run. I expect the same for my M1 Mac.
Keep using your perfectly good 2019 iMac. The OS upgrades are not that important!! I’m using Mojave still and feel no need to upgrade haha
With BS like this, the chances of me spending $2-3000 for a new Mac just dropped exponentially.
The reality is, older Macs even back to 2008 run the latest Widows, MacOS (with hacking) and Linux perfectly fine. Snappy even.
They're doing planned obsolescence, just like lightbulbs.
Except lightbulbs aren't $2500.
They'll continue doing it as long as WE let them get away with it.
Apple can go to hell.
Plain and Simple.
The reality is, older Macs even back to 2008 run the latest Widows, MacOS (with hacking) and Linux perfectly fine. Snappy even.
They're doing planned obsolescence, just like lightbulbs.
Except lightbulbs aren't $2500.
They'll continue doing it as long as WE let them get away with it.
Apple can go to hell.
Plain and Simple.
To be fair, things are very different for Apple than they were in 2006 and I think it just feels slower while clipping along just as fast. Keep in mind OS X development was on a much slower pace back then. There was almost 3 years between the release of Tiger and the release of Leopard and the Intel transition started in the middle of tiger. Then another almost 2 years to Snow Leopard. So it took them 4 years to fully transition all the hardware and end support for the old architecture. I think we're on a very similar timeline if the Mac Pro is released/announced at the end of the year at the 2 year mark. We'll get one more Intel release in macOS 14 next year with full end of support the following year after 4 years.
Also, People forget that Intel/x86 advancement was pretty stagnant for a few generations between 2012 and 2017. Which is part of the reason we had support for those generations of Intel processors for so long.
I'm in the same boat, but since Mint Linux works just fine on a 2009 Mac mini, I suspect the version of Linux that is current when security updates for Monterey stop will work just fine on the 2014, assuming it still works then. But since the 2002 G4 still works I have high hopes.
Apple's support policy is why my main computer, the one I use for taxes, banking, and anything else important, is running Linux.
Umm no it hurts professionals big time. It hurts iOS developers big time. Reason being is all MacBook Pros from 2018 and younger might as well be bricks by April 2023 when apple has a history of dropping xCode working in anything but the latest and greatest.
This is bad. Big time as apple had a long president of supporting machines older. I accept my 2015 mac having support dropped on it this year. I knew that was coming but seeing a 2018 machine getting drop hurts and makes me scared drop nearly 4K on fort replacement mac.
That's BS. If they compiled for ANY Intel Macs, dropping support for older ones was completely arbitrary. They are playing the lightbulb game. Planned Obsolescence, period.
If they get away with it, they'll do it again with the M1s. And the apologist shills will be here backing them up again.
Yeah I ran Linux exclusively in the late 2000s because of similar Microsoft shenanigans at the time. With what Apple has been doing in the past four years or so, I've been migrating back to Linux again. Apple is the new Microsoft, but worse with extra smiley evil.I'm in the same boat, but since Mint Linux works just fine on a 2009 Mac mini, I suspect the version of Linux that is current when security updates for Monterey stop will work just fine on the 2014, assuming it still works then. But since the 2002 G4 still works I have high hopes.
Apple's support policy is why my main computer, the one I use for taxes, banking, and anything else important, is running Linux.
Opencore Legacy Patcher should be your answer. It supports Macs from 2008 onwards. Monterey is already working for many with older gear. Check out this vid >
To you but try being a professional and having to use tools like Xcode. Apple force you to upgrade to the newest OS by April to run the latest Xcode. That honestly affects one’s job.
It makes a lot of people scared to drop 4K on a machine that will just be a paper weight in 4 years.
Yes of course. But millions and millions of Mac owners can't pull that off. Simple for you and me, sure. But for the average consumer? No way.
You really think so? Have you actually watched that video I posted? Actually it's a lot easier than you think. The creator shows it as a step-by-step process covering it all the way through, with OCLP now largely doing most of the heavy lifting. So it's a doddle to upgrade - no more than 20-30 minutes of work if you include the downloads.
With the combination of Intel models rapidly losing updates + Apple dropping trade-in values by nearly half for a lot of Macs including the one I used to own + the butterfly keyboard repair program coming to an expiration, I’m now really glad I traded in my 2018 15” MacBook Pro before all of this happened.
Some 2017 Macs are supported, just not 2017 Airs. Which is atypical, as most Macs get 7 or 8 years of macOS releases. 2017 Airs only got 6.
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This is how I win! I will definitely head this route
I've done it and have an old Mac running Monterey perfectly.
It's a LOT harder than it looks and I've been doing similar for a long, long time. I had OS X running on a Dell netbook in 2007.
I've run Linux since 1997. I was a hard core programmer in the '90s.
I know exactly what I'm doing. But if a little glitch pops up, well then, there goes the day, reformatting, repartitioning, redownloading, unrebackuping, trying different workarounds, settings, patches, going through error logs, getting down to the console. No way in hell is the average consumer going to pull that off.
Same. Apple offered me around $950 for the same machine at the time the M1 Pro/Max was released and I really thought it would be a tougher decision than it was, but having gone through the PPC/Intel transition I knew the writing was on the wall for Intel and there would be a cliff coming. I didn't look back.
Perhaps because the 2016 hasn't been sold for about 5 years and the 2017 hasn't been sold for 4 years. However, that doesn't explain the 2013 Mac Pro.