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macOS Ventura Drops Support for Older Macs, Works With 2017 and Later Machines
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Right, they will probably have a couple more updates and then that will put both the remaining Intel Macs that Apple is currently selling at about 5 years. I would guess that in 2024, all MacOS updates will be Apple Silicon only.
Nope. The 2017/2019 iMacs don't have T2 chips.
This looks like Apple -really- wanted to kill off support for the 2015/2017 Macbook Air, and the 2016 MBP was collateral damage.
LOL. Very happy governments are finally stepping in on behalf of consumers and to combat planned obsolescence and reduce electronic waste. Equally happy to watch some people seethe and rage when these laws are passed.
I kept reminding others this as I wasted thousands of dollars on a loaded G4 Powerbook just to see it quickly abandoned. Too many here think that "supporting intel years to come" meant being able to run the latest MacOS for at least 5 years. Nope you're only getting bug fixes after next year's Macos release.
It objectively is. Consumer protection is a responsibility of the EU. Planned obsolescence is a component of consumer protection.
Yep, especially if you bought the last generation PM G5. Came with Tiger, and only had Leopard as an OS upgrade and that was it. Snow Leopard was Intel only.
Having gone though the PowerPC to Intel transition and getting the chop at Leopard, this transition is much longer, much more orderly and much kinder than what Apple did before. The level of whining I am hearing here just tells me how spoiled people here are now. I don’t give two sh*ts how much people spent on their Mac, once Apple announced the transition to ASi, people should have understood what was going to happen, especially old timers. Anyone with Google and a concern could have found out how it was handled last time. Or asked us old timers. I’ve been through the 68K to Power PC to Intel to Apple Silicon. Apple is going really slowly and I appreciate that. If you spent $10K on a 2013 Mac Pro in 2018, that’s on you and you either were forced to for your business or you were febrile. That Apple kept selling them along with the 2014 Mac mini and 2015/2017 MacBook Air is on Apple. The fact remains that macOS for Intel is going to be phased out in another 2-3 years at the outset.
Still not sure what the issue is considering that the issues is given that macOS Monterey isn’t suddenly going to stop working and judging by the complaining about Ventura being a non-upgrade, what is the big deal?
So my 2019 iMac (27 inch) may have a couple more years of new MacOs support. Laughably Apple is offering $625 for it in a buy back. So I don't know what to do... keep plugging along with it or make the jump to Silicon.
Proving “planned obsolescence” is a nebulous thing at best and is complete subjective. The EU interfering with this smacks of bureaucrats abusing their positions more than consumer protection. I hear that term bandied around here a lot and it has more to do with people who think that when they buy an Apple product they are entitled to it working forever versus a Dell or HP product that I never hear anyone claim “planned obsolescence “ about…EVER!
I have an Air 2017, which was given to me by my father in law. I basically only use it for browsing and streaming when I’m away from home. Obviously that’s not compatible with Venture, but would it still receive security updates and the like ? Don’t fancy buying a new one just yet.
The the MacBook Pro made the PowerBook G4 seem ancient in comparison in a very short time.
A patch to workaround this will surely release soon enough like all the previous macOS versions. Unless there is a hardware limitation you can usually milk a couple extra macOS upgrades.
I’m thinking closer to 2026, but either way, it’s coming to an end. For all the talk by the “tech nerds” on this forum, there seems to be an awful lot of surprised people here that support is ending.
Why would anyone buy a 2018 Mac mini or a 2019 Mac Pro unless they absolutely had to do so? Support is ending sooner rather than later.
My 2012 Mini and 2016 MBP were the last of my intel machines. I guess I will use my M1 Air in clamshell to replace my mini and get a new M2 Air in Midnight. My 2nd Gen iPad Pro will keep going until the new iPad Pro's with M2's are released....kaching, kaching, kaching...
I have a 2019 iMac and I’m going to keep using it as long as it physically runs. Same with my 2016 MacBook Pro that got cut this year. I have a 2020 M1 MBP that I spend most of my time working on. I’m using Big Sur on my iMac and Monterey on my 2016 and M1. I’ll keep running whatever the last version is for as long as it keeps running. Or I’ll sell my collection of Intels and move completely to Apple Silicon over the next year or two. We all knew this was coming down the pike after Apple committed to ASi at WWDC 2020.
Are you running it on Monterey? I’m still getting Catalina Security updates on my 2012 15” rMBP, so I would say yes, you’ll still keep getting security updates.
Maybe Craig Federighi, instead of posing like a bond or a cool basketball player should focus attention on software qualities of iOS and macOS. Dropping support for many not so old devices sucks!
Don't be silly. The M1 is complete trash now that the M2 has been launched. Apple doesn't do nostalgia.
Yes. It also still works perfectly fine for my usage
As long as you’re good with how Monterey works (I’m not, but that’s me), then you should be good to go for as long as you want before you’ll feel compelled to upgrade to Apple Silicon.
With the prices that Apple charges for some of these machines (particularly with upgrades), it’s pretty brutal to see some of these more recent machines dropped.
I’ve said it before in another thread: it’s insane to me that on my 2010 MacBook Pro, there are some apps that I can’t run in macOS (due to having an old version), but I can boot into my Windows 7 boot camp install and run those same apps no problem. I do not understand why Apple treats its yearly desktop OS updates like mobile phone updates.
I’ve said it before in another thread: it’s insane to me that on my 2010 MacBook Pro, there are some apps that I can’t run in macOS (due to having an old version), but I can boot into my Windows 7 boot camp install and run those same apps no problem. I do not understand why Apple treats its yearly desktop OS updates like mobile phone updates.
I can very much understand why the 2015 MB Pros are getting kicked to the curb (even though the 15” model was sold along the touchbar model until late 2018), but dropping support for 2016 Macs makes no sense to me… i mean, the 2016 and 2017 are are pretty much the same computers.
macOS 14 probably won’t support Intel Macs at all. 15 definitely won’t.