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I’m curious if the m2 pro/max are based on the more efficient 4nm fabrication process like the A16. I’m also curious about cores and threads. If they have an m2 pro or max max mini at a decent price, I will pick one up.
 
I feel like we are reaching a peak with all of Apple's product line. Looking back products like the PowerMac G4 QuickSilver in 2001, the Mac was a 17 year old product at that time. And in some ways, it felt like there was still more potential to be untapped. We were going into this era of the Mac/PC as a hub. But the iPhone, iPad and the Mac all seem like they are hitting a wall. The iPod certainly reached its own after 20 years.

Its truly hard to say what more really to expect from these products. Because we've been doing pretty much the same thing we did on them nearly 30 years ago, 40 if you go back to the original Apple II and IBM PC. Sure, there have been insane progress: graphical user interface, performance, performance and mobility, communication and networking (5G), artificial intelligence (Siri, Google), video and audio. But a lot of that was in some ways inevitable.

Cars have largely done the same core thing since their inception more than a century ago. I suspect the same "hitting the wall" comment could have been made in about 1930 and yet, new models roll out every year and billions of dollars in car sales follow.

I'd suggest you should mark your own comment and revisit it in 5+ years. It's probably more like a Bill Gates infamous "640K is all anyone will ever need" than actually calling the end of the line.

That said, in your defense, this does feel like a lull period where there is too much incremental and not enough big hops. But there are probably labs somewhere working on flying car, transporters, food replicators, holodecks, warp drives, fusion, etc. Sci Fi implies that an iPhone-sized device can communicate with ships in orbit, shoot phasers, scan to diagnose any bodily ailment, heal most ailments, etc. While that's only imagination, imagination begins the process for developing it in reality.

Personally, I'm confident there is still PLENTY of room for improvement, even in these kinds of products. Perhaps very closely watching every rumor conspires to make the advances seem less??? For example, if you don't "watch the pot," it does seem to "come to a boil" faster. I wonder if we didn't follow every rumor and bit of news for even a year or two, would the 2024-5 line seem like a big leap from today?
 
The last rumor I saw was that the new Mac Pro will max out at 384 GB RAM.
I also saw that rumor, and I hope that isn't true. I get that they are just piling Apple Silicon chips together with everything embedded now, I hope they have a solid solution for their upcoming Mac Pro. I'm currently using 512GB on my projects and would really like 512GB-1TB of RAM.
 
Have no intention of upgrading M1 Max MPB.

Only thing I’m truly disappointed about is the high response rate of the display works against the high refresh rate; however it’s not worth selling a $4000 plus computer to for a minor upgrade.
1)it’s likely they’ll use the very same panels ,and only change the SOC ,so it’ll remain just as slow

2) even if they change it’s likely they’ll still have those slow réponse rates ,given the fact that apple never really cared about them (look at the promotion ipad pros for example ,been like that for years)

3) in case it makes any difference to you ,the 16 is twice as slow as the 14
 
One final bump on the Intel mac mini would be great, it is now 4(!) generations behind, even if my 3.2 i7 is running great.
I guess it is not to be, for obvious reasons, but it means I might have to leave the mac since I need that x86 virtualization.
 
Cars have largely done the same core thing since their inception more than a century ago. I suspect the same "hitting the wall" comment could have been made in about 1930 and yet, new models roll out every year and billions of dollars in car sales follow.

I'd suggest you should mark your own comment and revisit it in 5+ years. It's probably more like a Bill Gates infamous "640K is all anyone will ever need" than actually calling the end of the line.

That said, in your defense, this does feel like a lull period where there is too much incremental and not enough big hops. But there are probably labs somewhere working on flying car, transporters, food replicators, holodecks, warp drives, fusion, etc. Sci Fi implies that an iPhone-sized device can communicate with ships in orbit, shoot phasers, scan to diagnose any bodily ailment, heal most ailments, etc. While that's only imagination, imagination begins the process for developing it in reality.

Personally, I'm confident there is still PLENTY of room for improvement, even in these kinds of products. Perhaps very closely watching every rumor conspires to make the advances seem less??? For example, if you don't "watch the pot," it does seem to "come to a boil" faster. I wonder if we didn't follow every rumor and bit of news for even a year or two, would the 2024-5 line seem like a big leap from today?
With regard to cars at 12:00:

 
One final bump on the Intel mac mini would be great, it is now 4(!) generations behind, even if my 3.2 i7 is running great.
I guess it is not to be, for obvious reasons, but it means I might have to leave the mac since I need that x86 virtualization.
I have a strange feeling, that the Intel Mac mini will be simply removed from the store/website. Like they did with the iMac Pro... no upgrades/replacement.
 
Even though I don't think it's going to be available at the release of Ventura, I can't wait for PassKeys. I really hope and pray it lives up to its potential! 🤞🙏

I'm also excited about the rumored new mac minis.
 
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It's a shame Apple didn't maintain a LTS MacOS like Mojave for the next ten years to keep getting security updates.

I'll give this one thing to Microsoft, you can run windows 10 on old machines to new machines, you're not forced to buy new hardware to get new security updates.
 
It's a shame Apple didn't maintain a LTS MacOS like Mojave for the next ten years to keep getting security updates.

I'll give this one thing to Microsoft, you can run windows 10 on old machines to new machines, you're not forced to buy new hardware to get new security updates.
Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 will get unofficial security patches for 2 another years!

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Things people are asking for:

-Mac Pro
-Larger screen iMac
-An affordable 32” display
-Ventura and iOS 16 without bugs
-Final Cut Pro updates
-AppleTV remote with find my


Things people aren’t asking for:
-M2 iPad
-Yearly chip updates
-MeMoji
 
It feels weird for the first time no big event about iPads and Macs with the new M2, its like the spec bump will be minuscule to shout about.. So I guess M3 is the big jump in specs next year that will make big difference?
 
How do you mean “the high response rate works against the high refresh rate”? How does that affect display performance? I’m asking because I have the same laptop (M1 Max MBP). Just curious what you mean by that.
He means is the display can put up 120 frames per second, which is one frame ever 8.33 milliseconds. However, the response rate of the pixels changing from one color to another is clearly often slower than that 8 milliseconds (apple gives no official response rate), leading to potential ghosting or smearing issues. For most people it's a minor issue that you'll never notice, but it can be bothersome or noticeable to some people. And haters/complainers like to point at it as a reason the Apple cheaped out or is ripping you off or the MacBook Pro sucks or whatever their agenda is.

Short version, it's a non issue if you've never noticed it.
 
Apple hasn’t announced any more M2 macs aside from the MBA, and 13” MBP. Is the only Mac they update the 14”/16” MBPs now? Mac Mini, iMac, Mac Pro where are the updates before laptops. :D
Since the Macbooks are selling more than the Mac desktops, clearly Apple prioritized their laptops. But it's weird that there's not Mac Pro replacement yet at this point. Apple's own promised 2 years transition dateline is getting closer.
 
It's a shame Apple didn't maintain a LTS MacOS like Mojave for the next ten years to keep getting security updates.

I'll give this one thing to Microsoft, you can run windows 10 on old machines to new machines, you're not forced to buy new hardware to get new security updates.
Yeah, I wish Apple had an LTS version of macOS. But then again, unlike Microsoft, Apple makes money by selling hardware, so it makes sense they do what they do.

And Microsoft is not guilt-free either. Windows 11 cutoff a lot of good hardware.
 
No big surprises with M2 Pro up being on a newer node or architecture than M2 and with hardware ray tracing or anything like that I suppose, just the pretty simple update M2 was from M1 all around
 
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