I guess I'm not "techie" enough, because I don't understand the MacPro bashing that seems to go on in the Forums. I'm using a 14 month old MacPro, 3Ghz, 4Gb and I'm quite happy with it. I'm not a gamer, but I do a fair bit of photo and HD Video editing and it all goes quite well. When I started working with these big HD video files, it was wonderful to be able to just throw another 500Gb hard drive in a spare slot. This took all of $150 and about 5 minutes. What's bad about that? When Leopard came out, I did an update install and it went without a hitch. Added an external hard drive for Time machine, no problem; just plugged it in and away we went. Performance seems fine to me, and I'm even happy with my 30" Cinema Display. I find it quite stunning, and it still blows people away when they first see it. Would I like a zippier video card? Sure, why not. But as I look at all the Speedmark and other benchmarks out there, this machine still compares quite favorably. I wonder if our obsession with the Forums gives us a skewed view of it all. As in most environments, people don't generally speak out just to say "everything is fine".