MacPro bashing

[DoFoT9]

The difference is the Mac Pro hasn't been updated since its release. So it isn't 2-6 months in this case.

With that in mind the current Mac Pro is GROSSLY OUTDATED. I stress the GROSSLY.

yea because u can u know, buy an 8-core PC in all shops these days...

you can get 32GB ram in a computer these days...

true, the MP hasnt been upgraded, but seriously this is apple!!! since when do they upgrade to keep up with technology?? apple only upgrades when they want to.

 

[suneohair]

yea because u can u know, buy an 8-core PC in all shops these days...

you can get 32GB ram in a computer these days...

true, the MP hasnt been upgraded, but seriously this is apple!!! since when do they upgrade to keep up with technology?? apple only upgrades when they want to.

Yes you can buy 8-core PCs, do you somehow think Xeons are exclusive to Apple?

Yes you can get 32GB. What is your point?

Yes, I know it is Apple. And they update when they want to. I do think it has taken them some time. But I am personally being relatively chill during the wait.

But really, what is the point of your post? You somehow make the charge that 8-cores is exclusive to Apple, then go on to say they don't keep up with technology? Can I say contradiction? Unless I reading that first sentence wrong...

 

[DoFoT9]

Yes you can buy 8-core PCs, do you somehow think Xeons are exclusive to Apple?

Yes you can get 32GB. What is your point?

Yes, I know it is Apple. And they update when they want to. I do think it has taken them some time. But I am personally being relatively chill during the wait.

But really, what is the point of your post? You somehow make the charge that 8-cores is exclusive to Apple, then go on to say they don't keep up with technology? Can I say contradiction? Unless I reading that first sentence wrong...

well duuuh.......

of course i dont think that the xeon's are only apple's, do you have no respect for my intelligence at all?!!!???!!?

you see a hell of alot more macs with the 8-core,32gb ram options than you do PC's. mainly because of the xp 32-bit not being able to handle it.

my point is that the mac pros are not a lousy or weak machine, sure they are outdated, but seriously what percentage of users would have half of the processing power of a MP???? i would say not many.

having 8-cores and not keeping up with tehcnology.. im confused what point are you trying to make here???

apple is always one step behind in technology, until they bring out the latest and greatest, but then 2-3months later its been outdated again. thats just how it goes.

 

[suneohair]

well duuuh.......

of course i dont think that the xeon's are only apple's, do you have no respect for my intelligence at all?!!!???!!?

you see a hell of alot more macs with the 8-core,32gb ram options than you do PC's. mainly because of the xp 32-bit not being able to handle it.

my point is that the mac pros are not a lousy or weak machine, sure they are outdated, but seriously what percentage of users would have half of the processing power of a MP???? i would say not many.

having 8-cores and not keeping up with tehcnology.. im confused what point are you trying to make here???

apple is always one step behind in technology, until they bring out the latest and greatest, but then 2-3months later its been outdated again. thats just how it goes.

Again, you are full of contradictions.

You start by saying, "you see a hell of a lot more Macs with 8 cores and 32Gb," which is just plain ridiculous.

Then you go on to say "what percentage of users would have half of the processing power of a MP???? I would say not many."

Which is it? If you do in fact see "many more Macs with 8-cores and 32GB," how does it follow that a low percentage of users have have that processing power.

The Mac Pro can have 8-cores. The fact is I am not paying $1500 when in mere months the Mac Pro will have 8-cores in the base model for $2500. Please explain to me why I should pay that much.

Furthermore, spare me the "that is how technology goes" garbage. We all know. The fact remains that the Mac Pro has been well over one year without an update, and I will not buy until that happens. As I will get more for my dollar. If your goal is to somehow say my choice is flawed... well I really don't know what to say to somehow who thinks that using their money in a smart way if somehow a fault.

 

[DoFoT9]

Again, you are full of contradictions.

You start by saying, "you see a hell of a lot more Macs with 8 cores and 32Gb," which is just plain ridiculous.

Then you go on to say "what percentage of users would have half of the processing power of a MP???? I would say not many."

Which is it? If you do in fact see "many more Macs with 8-cores and 32GB," how does it follow that a low percentage of users have have that processing power.

The Mac Pro can have 8-cores. The fact is I am not paying $1500 when in mere months the Mac Pro will have 8-cores in the base model for $2500. Please explain to me why I should pay that much.

Furthermore, spare me the "that is how technology goes" garbage. We all know. The fact remains that the Mac Pro has been well over one year without an update, and I will not buy until that happens. As I will get more for my dollar. If your goal is to somehow say my choice is flawed... well I really don't know what to say to somehow who thinks that using their money in a smart way if somehow a fault.

ok surely you dont think i am trying to convince you into buying a MP now??? im not a sales-person, you do what you want with your money i cgaf.

im not entirely sure where your sources are, or on your conversion rates and what-not, but an 8-core based MP for $2500??? sure that would be incredible, in my country the 8-core is a $3000 upgrade at the least.

how do you suggest we attack the fact that technology gets upgraded every *months??? i mean come on, think about it, once the new MP's come out, within a few months it too will be outdated. so what...... sure it hasnt been updated... if you look on MR's MP buyers guide it will clearly show that the MP's average for updates is 210 days... why are you crying about it saying that is hasnt had an update for a year?? its only been around 7-8months!!

 

[suneohair]

ok surely you dont think i am trying to convince you into buying a MP now??? im not a sales-person, you do what you want with your money i cgaf.

im not entirely sure where your sources are, or on your conversion rates and what-not, but an 8-core based MP for $2500??? sure that would be incredible, in my country the 8-core is a $3000 upgrade at the least.

how do you suggest we attack the fact that technology gets upgraded every *months??? i mean come on, think about it, once the new MP's come out, within a few months it too will be outdated. so what...... sure it hasnt been updated... if you look on MR's MP buyers guide it will clearly show that the MP's average for updates is 210 days... why are you crying about it saying that is hasnt had an update for a year?? its only been around 7-8months!!

Listen you clearly haven't done your research. I am not about to regurgitate the data that has already been said dozens of times over in this very forum no less. An 8-core Mac Pro for $2500 is entirely possible and expected with the introduction of the new Harpertown chips from Intel. Again, do your reasearch.

In no way am I attempting to suggest we attack technological update cycles. Yes Yes, I know the Mac Pro will be outdated in a few months of its release blah blah blah. I am sure you don't know why, do you? Of course not, but it would be Nehalem that renders the Mac Pro obsolete.

The Buyers Guide is hardly a definitive guide to Apple products. Furthermore, they are considering the ADDITION of the OPTION (Dual Quad Clovertowns) as an update, and they clearly state that the rest of the line was UNTOUCHED. That is hardly an update. Yes, the addition of a $1500 option is not an update. If you take a look here: http://support.apple.com/specs/, you see one Mac Pro in that list. It is from August 2006. So even Apple doesn't take the addition of the 8-core option as an update to the line. If you want to see the true number of days, take a look at the XServe.

Shall I give you more evidence that the Mac Pro hasn't been updated, refreshed, whatever you want to call it in over a year?

 

[DoFoT9]

Listen you clearly haven't done your research. I am not about to regurgitate the data that has already been said dozens of times over in this very forum no less. An 8-core Mac Pro for $2500 is entirely possible and expected with the introduction of the new Harpertown chips from Intel. Again, do your reasearch.

In no way am I attempting to suggest we attack technological update cycles. Yes Yes, I know the Mac Pro will be outdated in a few months of its release blah blah blah. I am sure you don't know why, do you? Of course not, but it would be Nehalem that renders the Mac Pro obselete.

The Buyers Guide is hardly a definitive guide to Apple products. Furthermore, they are considering the ADDITION of the OPTION (Dual Quad Clovertowns) as an update, and they clearly state that the rest of the line was UNTOUCHED. That is hardly an update. Yes, the addition of a $1500 option is not an update. If you take a look here: http://support.apple.com/specs/, you see one Mac Pro in that list. It is from August 2006. So even Apple doesn't take the addition of the 8-core option as an update to the line. If you want to see the true number of days, take a look at the XServe.

Shall I give your more evidence that the Mac Pro hasn't been updated, refreshed, whatever you want to call it in over a year?

i really couldnt give a damn how long ago the MP was upgraded. it has been a while but why bother winging???

are you insulting me?? do you think my intelligence doesnt even expand to that of what would cause an upgrade to outclass the previous ones???? geez settle down mate, if you want to go into blows about it you clearly can. i cgaf what your opinions are. nor how you are going to abuse people and put them down to try to gain your power. i have enough on my plate as it is without your attacks on my intelligence.

the MP WAS refreshed a couple of months ago, clearly the 8-core option was a REFRESH! is it not that simple to grasp?? it was a small one, but clearly a refresh to their options, or do you think doubling the amount of avaliable cores ISNT an update?????

 

[Wild-Bill]

the MP WAS refreshed a couple of months ago, clearly the 8-core option was a REFRESH! is it not that simple to grasp?? it was a small one, but clearly a refresh to their options, or do you think doubling the amount of avaliable cores ISNT an update?????

Well you are the only person on this forum that believes it. It was the addition of an OPTION, not a refresh.

Why are you in this thread sticking up for the outdated Mac Pro anyway? You don't have one, and by the looks of your posts you have no intention of purchasing one.

In fact, your signature shows a MBP and an iMac, both products that have received substantial updates. The Mac Pro is the oldest product in the lineup. You have two of the newest, yet you're in here defending the Mac Pro as if you had one. Makes no sense.

Bottom line, it's way overdue for an update, the pricing doesn't reflect the value of those components, and it's gone 16 months without an update. End of story.

 

[suneohair]

i really couldnt give a damn how long ago the MP was upgraded. it has been a while but why bother winging???

are you insulting me?? do you think my intelligence doesnt even expand to that of what would cause an upgrade to outclass the previous ones???? geez settle down mate, if you want to go into blows about it you clearly can. i cgaf what your opinions are. nor how you are going to abuse people and put them down to try to gain your power. i have enough on my plate as it is without your attacks on my intelligence.

the MP WAS refreshed a couple of months ago, clearly the 8-core option was a REFRESH! is it not that simple to grasp?? it was a small one, but clearly a refresh to their options, or do you think doubling the amount of avaliable cores ISNT an update?????

I think it is you who needs to settle down. You have absolutely ZERO knowledge on this topic yet you attempt to form arguments from that absence of knowledge. The only person insulting your intelligence is yourself. Also, if you have too much on your plate maybe you should avoid getting into discussions about topics of which you have no knowledge, and avoid things like, "I cgaf," because if you didn't you would have stayed out of this topic.

What's more, if you are going to accuse me of insulting your intelligence, try to refrain from saying "Is that not simple to grasp," as that could be interpreted as doing the same.

Furthermore, again you contradict yourself. You say it has been a while since it was updated in the beginning of your post then end by saying it was clearly a refresh, then further redefining a customary refresh by saying a "refresh to their options," and doubling their cores.

A refresh is a sweep through the product line, for example the Mac Mini, which was refreshed with Core 2 Duo CPUs throughout the line. Or the Macbook or Macbook Pro getting a refresh of processors thus far in their lifetimes. Adding an option is not a refresh and if you plan to redefine what a refresh is you will need to form a better argument than what you have.

To end this ridiculous discussion, I am hardly whining. I am waiting and discussing with those who are doing the same. We discuss rumors, possible configurations, etc etc. If you have a problem with that, I would suggest you refrain from posting in threads where you feel people are whining. Thanks.

 

[DoFoT9]

* a lot of writing*

damn your good

p.s. it was whinging

 

[suneohair]

damn your good

p.s. it was whinging

That's what she said!

 

[DoFoT9]

Well you are the only person on this forum that believes it. It was the addition of an OPTION, not a refresh.

Why are you in this thread sticking up for the outdated Mac Pro anyway? You don't have one, and by the looks of your posts you have no intention of purchasing one.

In fact, your signature shows a MBP and an iMac, both products that have received substantial updates. The Mac Pro is the oldest product in the lineup. You have two of the newest, yet you're in here defending the Mac Pro as if you had one. Makes no sense.

Bottom line, it's way overdue for an update, the pricing doesn't reflect the value of those components, and it's gone 16 months without an update. End of story.

i have many intentions of purchasing the MP, albeit i have NO money to afford it. i would love to have a MP, even the basic model.

my singature shows a)MBP CD (core duo, note lack of core2duo) which is the old old updated version; and b)imac which is my brothers, in his room which he does not let me use! it just makes me feel better lol

 

[DoFoT9]

That's what she said!

oh trust me, she does say it.

 

[Digital Skunk]

The thread has gone nowhere fast.

And we might have just gotten somewhere with this talking too.

 

[macz1]

I would say, a refresh of a computer model is when I get more computing power for the same money. An option to spend more to get more is not a refresh in my opinion.

The 8-core option has always been available. You could always buy two MacPros, doubling the number of cores for an additional cost...

 

[MacCurry]

Benchmarks?

Has anyone done a benchmark test against the base 24" iMac and MP? I bet the MP still comes out ahead!

This much is certain. Anyone buying a baseline MP and 24" iMac today will find in a year they can more easily update the MP than they could the iMac.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Has anyone done a benchmark test against the base 24" iMac and MP? I bet the MP still comes out ahead!

This much is certain. Anyone buying a baseline MP and 24" iMac today will find in a year they can more easily update the MP than they could the iMac.

I agree...

Just to make a note... I don't think there will be too many buyers of the iMac that are interested in upgrading the internals of the machine besides RAM and adding an external drive... only if they have Leopard at that.

 

[Voltaic]

Look guys, no matter how you look at it, Apple should have either bumped the processors the bottom and middle model Mac Pros or dropped the prices. Either way, not to offer more bang for the buck in 16 months is down right SHAMEFUL!

What about the displays? How long has it been? Why are they still more expensive than other manufacturers at equal specs? Apple needs to STOP being so damn greedy and take advantage of its CORE base of customers. PERIOD!

 

[Digital Skunk]

Look guys, no matter how you look at it, Apple should have either bumped the processors the bottom and middle model Mac Pros or dropped the prices. Either way, not to offer more bang for the buck in 16 months is down right SHAMEFUL!

What about the displays? How long has it been? Why are they still more expensive than other manufacturers at equal specs? Apple needs to STOP being so damn greedy and take advantage of its CORE base of customers. PERIOD!

Agreed. Especially about the displays. There was a time when it was easy to defend the ACDs and they weren't that much below competitor's models with higher specs. Now it's impossible, even the added FW400 ports aren't enough to justify the price when you could easily grab a PCI card with four FW800 or 400 ports.

I am really crossing my fingers for Apple to give us the updated Professional Machines... Mac Pros with Penryn, Macbook Pros with Penryn, and new ACDs or an entirely new model with HDMI and DVI, the same number of USB & FW400 ports, and base model at 22" for $400 - $500. Knowing the Apple premium we pay, I can see that model going for $550, but anything more would still have many users going to Dell and other competitors for their not-so-bad monitors.

 

[THX1139]

The issue is that if you were to have bought a MacPro one year ago, the price was decent. Buy the same MacPro now and it's not a good value. Those of us who bought last year have come out pretty good. If you are in the market for a MacPro now, you're kind of screwed if you compare price verses technology. If Apple were to drop prices according to obsolescence, that would be fair. Since they don't, they should be keeping up with the technology to justify selling at premium prices.

I think that Apple lagging on upgrading the MacPro is hurting them in regards to professional switchers. Last year when the MacPro came out, a lot of high-end PC users were taking a serious look at the MacPro. They seemed to agree that it was a good buy. Now that is no longer the case and the MacPro is getting left behind.

 

[SpaceJello]

Look guys, no matter how you look at it, Apple should have either bumped the processors the bottom and middle model Mac Pros or dropped the prices. Either way, not to offer more bang for the buck in 16 months is down right SHAMEFUL!

What about the displays? How long has it been? Why are they still more expensive than other manufacturers at equal specs? Apple needs to STOP being so damn greedy and take advantage of its CORE base of customers. PERIOD!

Are Mac Pro users and other professionals the core base of Apple anymore?

 

[Digital Skunk]

I think that Apple lagging on upgrading the MacPro is hurting them in regards to professional switchers. Last year when the MacPro came out, a lot of high-end PC users were taking a serious look at the MacPro. They seemed to agree that it was a good buy. Now that is no longer the case and the MacPro is getting left behind.

I don't think it's hurting them as bad as it may seem to us. I am sure that there are production houses that are still buying the MacPro by the tens. Newspapers and other journalism entities live by the Mac, and their big wig bosses could care less about what the cost of this and that is especially when they are buying 8 core Mac Pros buy the truck load.

I think Apple's Pro market is thriving... which is probably why they haven't lowered the prices on the Mac Pro like they did the G4s when the company wasn't doing so well. If the Chicago Sun Times just bought ten Mac Pros and 20 30" ACDs to go with it then what is the problem? Any smart business isn't going to lower the prices when they are still selling the machines... or when they are a few months from replacing them anyway.

Are Mac Pro users and other professionals the core base of Apple anymore?

Yes. Very much so in fact. Now that most professionals can get their job then and then some whether in Windows or Mac OS X they are buying Macs by the butt loads. It's almost safe to say that if you are an Adobe user... or video editor, you'd better be basing your workflow around the Mac. It can be done with Windows... but Mac OS X will make it faster and easier to get work done in many different situations.

 

[randyhudson]

... And Apple used to go out of their way to cripple the iBooks, and now other than the video cards the computers can compete with their bigger cousins...

You don't even need to qualify that. The 8600M in the MacBook Pro is neck and neck with the 2600HD in the iMac.

 

[randyhudson]

Either way... most people complain about the graphics/video cards because they consider themselves GFX specialists.... and not that they aren't, just that they want the latest and greatest GFX cards... but the top end Nvidia card in the Mac Pro is only a year old...

You might want to check those dates again. NVidia's G70 part was first shipped in June 2005. It's now November 2007, or as the GFX specialists like to say, nearly 2 and a half years later.

... and at a price of $1600 it had better not be obsolete until after it's reached 3 years of age.

At that price, it's a rip-off, and 7 months shy of being 3 years old.

 

[randyhudson]

Heck... I haven't even needed to burn a DL DVD yet because none of my clients or the people i work with have a DL reader.

That's too bad, you should tell them what happens at the end of Lord of the Rings.