All, As a person who has never owned an Apple product and is in the market for a new laptop I thought I would give my perspective on what I've gathered from this site. I had pretty much made up my mind about the choice I was going to make for a new 13" laptop. The final specifications and whether to go TB or nTB was still an open question for me so I came here looking for some good perspectives on the advantages of both. Now that I've spent a couple weeks reading through this site it seems like since the latest model refresh (2016) the die hard Apple/Mac fans seem to be the most adamant that the new products put out have failed both in terms of build quality and performance. I've always found people's die hard loyalty to one brand or another peculiar but now I understand that knife cuts both ways. The people most angry about what they perceive as Apple falling on its face since 2015 are the same people who would vociferously defend not but 3 years ago. This is a site promoting Apple and their products right?? I do not think I'll be buying an Apple product after reading through the threads here. It seems the post 2016 models are broken in terms of keyboard, display, (potentially battery life?) and many are very frustrated with the move to USB-C only. The first 2 being quality and the last being a design decision (which I could live with by the way) leads me away from the Apple ecosystem which I was about to venture into for the first time. I just thought I'd give some perspective to those who, as is often the purpose of internet forums, have voiced their opinions so strongly about how bad these products are that I guess I'll have to pass. Sad really. If it wasn't the die hard Apple pros that were expressing their anger, and just some nameless trolls, I wouldn't pay attention. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. Not that anyone should care but I'd be happy to be talked out of this decision if anyone has some poistive experiences they want to share, especially in terms of quality which was the most important factor for me considering Apple.