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Just a post of "I don't know" is akin to +1, QFT, or I agree, and will be deleted by the mods. See below:



And then every thread asking a question would have at least 20 replies of "idk :D:D:D:D:D:D:apple::apple::apple::apple:".



I see your point..but i am sure the forum can create something so that who ever post a thread knows that the reason his/her question is not answered is because the answer is not know.
 
I see your point..but i am sure the forum can create something so that who ever post a thread knows that the reason his/her question is not answered is because the answer is not know.

That system is in place, it's called no replies.

Trust me, no one is intentionally ignoring your threads.
 
Those who seek help must first learn to help them self.

Some of the questions from newbies just seem to have no for thought. It makes people wonder if they are even serious. When schools stress to students how important communication skills are, they mean it. Reading posts on this forum (or most forums, comment areas, etc.) shows exactly why good communication skills are very important. When you see someone asking a question that's just hard to read and understand, it's a turn off to even start a dialog to help them.

Also, the point that others have raised about "so many views, but no one posting answers" really being just a situation of many guest views and not many members viewing it is very true. And even for the members, they don't necessarily know the answer. On a good number of posts that I answer, I don't know the answer coming into the thread. I have spent over half an hour tracking down answers for people, which they could have done on their own. What thread creators don't realize is how much time a answerer might take to find their answer, it just shows up in the thread.

I do agree that posters should try to provide a link to a repeating thread, but I know I don't always have the time to do so. And, since it's not my problem, I don't feel it should be my priority to go out of my way to answer a question that has several answers already in place. I also admit that using Google is a bit of an art. I've become very adept at that art and as a result, of the 3200+ posts I've had, I've only started maybe 5 threads, some of which I ended up answering myself. I know not everyone can develop that art though just like not everyone can draw well.

In conclusion, my best advice is to lead by example.
 
So do you really believe that all the people who view a new thread for a newbie and leave no answer is because they either are not logged members or they don't know the answer?!!

Well I can speak for myself. Sometimes I'm curious about a thread, especially if it has a low response count.
Sometimes I know the answer, or even have an idea. Sometimes I don't know. Sometimes it turns out that the thread was not about what I thought it was. Sometimes it deals with hardware or software I don't have, even though I checked out the thread.
 
The reason i am posting this thread, are the negative attitudes i have noticed in this forum from many "senior" members. Newbies like me questions are ignored in many occasions...you see 70 or 100 individuals viewing your question and no single reply!

In addition to r.j.s.'s answer, it could be that someone simply doesn't know the answer to your problem. The vast majority of threads do get an answer.

People say this is because many newbies ask questions before searching the forum for thread asking similar questions, so members ignore their questions to teach them to search the forum before asking.

Actually I find that most of the time people post a response saying something along the lines of "This has been brought up many times before, please search" or "Use mroogle to search the forums."

So what i am asking from mac regulars and the people higher up in the rank, is that if they see a thread that has been asked before; first no too be rude (as i have noticed many times) and then either answer the question or put a link to where you claim the thread has been discussed (if you think it is that easy to find)

I think a lot of times veteran members are so used to seeing the same thread over and over (and over and over ...) again that they wind up taking it out on the next iteration of the thread that they see. It's not personal, just an easy target.
 
I agree that if we want the mac community to grow and be prosperous, we need to be a good neighbor and help out where we can.

BUT, to those who complain about being ignored, that's the internet's most polite way of telling you to use the search button. Either that, or you must have asked something nobody knows the answer to.

At the same time, I really hate it when people reply to posts, just to say "search is your friend" and nothing else. It doesn't offer anything constructive, plus it bumps the thread and makes it look like a conversation is evolving when one isn't. If you've got nothing good to say, then don't say anything.

Anyway, we're still a community of 'the little guys' in a PC driven world, and I'd like to think that we all have a lot to learn, so we should stick out for one another.
 
At the same time, I really hate it when people reply to posts, just to say "search is your friend" and nothing else. It doesn't offer anything constructive, plus it bumps the thread and makes it look like a conversation is evolving when one isn't. If you've got nothing good to say, then don't say anything.

Give a man a fish, feed him for an hour. Give a man a fishing pole, feed him for life.
 
Give a man a fish, feed him for an hour. Give a man a fishing pole, feed him for life.

Yea...except the man already has the fishing pole. These days, everybody knows how to search. To put it into your metaphor, if search is a fishing pole, and we're all at the fishing hole...
then a "search is your friend" post you, whacking him repeatedly over the head with his fishing pole, causing a ruckus, causing all the fish to run away, and annoying all the other fishers.

Just ignore him and eventually he'll get hungry and start 'fishing' on his own.
 
Thanks guys for your input. Much appreciated. I think what made frustrated is that as a newbie you are metaphorically entering into a new family and after few posts yourself trying to help people, you would expect the same from others equally if not even more. Also as a newbie you would expect from the "family" to give you the benefit of the doubt always.

However as i said thanks for your input again
 
Um, apparently not. If everyone knew how to search they could just put in "which macbook to buy" and not create a new thread about it every two hours.

I disagree a little. Let's take your example:
Plugging in

which macbook to buy

to the search box gives the picture attached results.

Yet, I know there is an absolutely GREAT thread on this very subject here - but it has a less than useful title (title doesn't do the OP justice), so you wouldn't think to read it normally for info on which MB to buy necessarily.

I found that thread, through a post on this thread, not through search.

Some threads bubble to the top of the forum section just through lots of regular posting - but there are no guides in the results, showing as stickies at the top of the search, to point the searcher in the right direction.

I agree that you can find the info you're looking for usually, and not necessarily need a thread.
 

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I disagree a little. Let's take your example:

Plugging in

which macbook to buy

to the search box gives the picture attached results.

...

I agree that you can find the info you're looking for usually, and not necessarily need a thread.

If you put "which Macbook to buy" into the Google custom search box linked directly from the "Search" option, you get the results listed here.

If you search Mroogle and select "last 3 months" , you still get 10 pages of relevant results.

(The standard forum search is not good compared with the two google options, which I believe are more or less the same other than Mroogle gives you more options)
 
If you put "which Macbook to buy" into the Google custom search box linked directly from the "Search" option, you get the results listed here.

If you search Mroogle and select "last 3 months" , you still get 10 pages of relevant results.

(The standard forum search is not good compared with the two google options, which I believe are more or less the same other than Mroogle gives you more options)

Cheers for that - I usually use MRoogle or Google, but the results you got are much better -
My point is hopefully shown in the attached picture - We're hoping to even get someone to search. Aren't they very likely to go top right search, rather than the tiny drop down search, then choose the Google search of that?

Maybe all we need is to update how we tell people to search - by using a default picture showing where the pull down search menu is and which search box to use and then attach as a picture - telling someone to search just doesn't seem to cut it - they're i'd imagine, very likely to just use the top right search, and then say they've done what they've been told - to search.
 

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My point is hopefully shown in the attached picture - We're hoping to even get someone to search. Aren't they very likely to go top right search, rather than the tiny drop down search, then choose the Google search of that?

Yes, absolutely. I don't know if the higher ups are willing to move the Google search to the top though. Would be nice...

Maybe all we need is to update how we tell people to search - by using a default picture showing where the pull down search menu is and which search box to use and then attach as a picture - telling someone to search just doesn't seem to cut it - they're i'd imagine, very likely to just use the top right search, and then say they've done what they've been told - to search.

Perhaps. But by linking to a Google results page, they'll probably get the message.
 
OP: i somewhat feel what your going through, even being a more 'advanced' user.

when i normally post a question its been a good day or two for solid responses, you cant expect it to come back straight away. not everybody who reads a single thread will identify the problem not to mention have a legitimate opinion/fix for the problem..

i see the forum as mainly a give more then you take, i try put as much input as i can and if i learn something from it then thats a bonus. however, everybody is different and they can do what they feel like doing. we cant create a rule that will make users answer questions more - that would just be plain silly.
 
Yes, absolutely. I don't know if the higher ups are willing to move the Google search to the top though. Would be nice...

Perhaps. But by linking to a Google results page, they'll probably get the message.

What's the best way to ask for a change to search function? Bended knee and bent head, proffering cap? :)
I'm guessing it's been talked about before.. Better go and search to see if there's a thread answered about it already ;)
 
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