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Why is it dumb?

To make the switch NOT available in the first place, then to think after the fact to make it an option, then to make it an option that only sticks for a few hours. All because it uses too much energy and gets too hot for Apple's nanny culture.
 
I wish they would do a Pro mode that does away with all of the overly protective security prompts. I do a bit of web development (mostly a designer) and the constant security permissions are ****ing ridiculous.

I hope this doesn't mean Apple is going to start shipping throttled CPUs out of the box.

My thoughts exactly. The idea of being able to turn off the extremely broken (and hence 100% worthless) quarantine of files would be a God send.
 
Why would this option be dumb and, more confusingly, what at all does this have to do with woke culture?

The option is not dumb, but the fact that Apple cripples its computers is dumb and should now be obvious to everyone. Some of us have known this since forever. It's dumb to have limited the computers, it's dumb to now have a switch and it's dumb to have that switch only last a few hours.

The woke culture is the nanny culture where Apple thinks it is so much smarter than the user that Apple can put these imitation on and be hailed for it. Only in a woke, closed, non-freedom loving culture can that happen.
 
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Cooling was sacrificed for quietness and thinness. Trying jimmy rig a slightly faster (louder) fan isn't going to solve much, if you want to get all the power your computer has. You need better cooling internals (better thermal paste, adding cooling plates/heat sinks, fans and a bit more internal space).
 
SIP stands for System Integrity Protection...why would you ever want to leave that off?? I'm not saying there would never be a reason to turn it off, because I myself have disabled it when I was messing around with dual-booting Linux and some custom boot loader stuff, but it was only temporary and then I re-enabled it.

That might be one of the most careless things I can think of any Mac owner doing...

my macs have that disabled since it was introduced in el capitan. zero problems, same as before.
 
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The woke culture is the nanny culture where Apple thinks it is so much smarter than the user that Apple can put these imitation on and be hailed for it. Only in a woke, closed, non-freedom loving culture can that happen.
Hence, the other article today, about Mac shipments being down.
 
No end user should ever have to worry about that. Just another stupid feature. I even hate the battery saving feature on iPhones, I pay Apple so I don’t have to manage it.
 
The woke culture is the nanny culture where Apple thinks it is so much smarter than the user that Apple can put these imitation on and be hailed for it. Only in a woke, closed, non-freedom loving culture can that happen.

Right, it's all about being woke and nothing to do with the laws of physics and thermodynamics causing engineering trade-offs with fans making noise and consuming electrical power. Modern college education FTW.
 
Honestly I would like the other end of things, a low power mode that won't turn the gpu on unless you manually select it.

On my macbook pro it's dissapointing how the battery life is as the discreate gpu turns on and off and on again for random media things such as youtube and reddit, draining the battery too fast. I shouldn't have to resort to terminal options to disable to higher draw graphics card when the low power one would do just fine (since I can handle those sites easily on my old macbook pro which has no gpu at all).
 
Apple is going after the professional gaming market and VR gaming market. I would say we about a year or 2 that AMD passes nvidia in graphics power. You watch while Apple quietly takes over the gaming world with metal and more powerful gaming platform systems.
 
'Pro Mode' sounds like something Apple may put into a Mac for situations where performance is valued over fan noise. Maybe gamers might like it? Or people on a deadline and rendering something?
Or anyone who wants to actually get the performance they paid for rather than dealing with a burning hot chipset and thermal throttling.

I think it's starting to show that users want more usability and control over their devices, and that Apple is slowly, reluctantly coming around to offer features and performance on-par with what their competitors offer. Apple is finally offering hardware that isn't 3 years old on launch day, which is another good sign.
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Honestly I would like the other end of things, a low power mode that won't turn the gpu on unless you manually select it.

On my macbook pro it's dissapointing how the battery life is as the discreate gpu turns on and off and on again for random media things such as youtube and reddit, draining the battery too fast. I shouldn't have to resort to terminal options to disable to higher draw graphics card when the low power one would do just fine (since I can handle those sites easily on my old macbook pro which has no gpu at all).
Huge disappointment on Apple's part, just another example of how they limit the user. Windows has Intel XTU, and graphics switching is easily controlled in the GPU software suite. Apple wants you to use their machines the way they decide you should use them. Their lack of adaptability and expandability is a major achille's heel to all but the most ardent Mac users.
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This is good, it’d be like the battery saver mode on Windows. You can switch between high pref, balanced, and battery saver modes.
You mean like Windows has offered since XP?
 
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Before everybody acts like it's stupid or innovative, Dell, Lenovo, HP have had this feature for at least a decade, along with lap mode and quiet mode.

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a real more not this more on service management. All operating system need to reboot call SAFE mode just to rid off not important service while we need to conserve more memory on what really needed.
** ohh mac folks have 40 gb ram no need. It's not about ram but process.. Some process crazy take 100% cpu usage and windows also have this stupid issue. We need allocate proc to for just for non sense primary process.
 
Would really like a low power mode like on iOS.
Me too.

It should:
  • Switch to integrated graphics (if the Mac has both discrete and integrated)
  • Disable Turbo Boost
  • Turn off processing intensive background tasks like Photos app facial recognition
  • Decrease Spotlight file indexing priority
 
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Wait, fan speed limit overridden? So it would have to be on fans that were already validated to run at higher speeds than the system lets them, which makes me think it'll be limited to new models they planned this out on. They would have had to have known the fans could run faster but artificially capped them.

Apple has generally prioritized quiet fans over loud ones. They aren't shipping fans that can only run at 2000RPM, they're just tuning them to not kick into screaming gear under most circumstances.

Users have been using fan control utilities for years to boost fan speeds for better performance and/or lower temps. If "Pro Mode" is simply about manipulating power settings there's no reason you couldn't use it on old machines.

If you actually want to know why they artificially cap them, you can run those tools yourself and see what it sounds like when your machine is running all fans at 6000RPM. That will also tell you why Apple doesn't do that by default.

Me too.

It should:
  • Switch to integrated graphics (if the Mac has both discrete and integrated)
  • Disable Turbo Boost
  • Turn off processing intensive background tasks like Photos app facial recognition
  • Decrease Spotlight file indexing priority

You can do the first two already with third-party apps.
 
Danger, Will Robertson! Danger!

As good as this sounds you'll likely kill your system as Apples lack of good thermal design is the real issue here!

Running your system hard for long periods allows the heat within the system to build up in the older 13" & 15" 2016 ~ 2019 models effecting the displays T-CON board which sits between the heat sink fins. Any blockage can make this even worse! If you note a grayish bar at the top and bottom of the display thats a sign of overheating! Once you've damaged the T-CON board you'll need to replace the complete display assembly $$$$ I don't see the 16" being any different here as it follows the same design other than the better designed fans.

The new Mac Pro is the only system which this makes sense!
 
Pretty sure my MacPro 1,1 is in Pro mode already.


But seriously, this would be a great feature for my 16", although it probably wouldn't support my 2015 5K.
 
There are real world tasks that require the CPUs and GPUs to run quite hot and the way to keep them cool is to let the fans run wild. As has been pointed out, many PCs have had this feature for years.
 
Given that it has now been 4 weeks since the first .3 beta, it doesn't appear Apple is in a hurry to get this update out. I've been waiting for .3 to come out before I finally update to Cat, because when it was initially released, it was a real dog (and hasn't improved enough since). Sorry for the hurtful pun! (No, not really:)
 
> Pro Mode is a temporary option that is set to turn off the next day after being enabled

We can only be pros for a short period of time.
This follows the same logic as the iOS 12(?) change of WiFi button in notification center not really turning off the WiFi altogether, it just disconnects from the current network until the next day. Apple finds this behaviour preferable because (I suspect) a large portion of users forget to turn WiFi back on in the older iOS setup and ended up paying unnecessary mobile data bills. Apple would rather serve the careless mass than to the rest who know what they are doing.
 
I want an Amateur mode that will reign my 16” in when i am doing stuff that i guess is not so “pro” but gets my bills paid. Yes there are times when I need blazing performance, but lots more when i need battery life.
 
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Yea, we use 8-core i9 models as we compile code all the time, that pushes all cores to the full load and we can hear the fans. We don't notice any freezing at all but we do notice OS is slower to use because there's not enough CPU.

Just to be clear, when you say freezing, what do you mean exactly? Freezing usually means you can't do anything; the mouse/keyboard/OS is not interacting. The OS being slower or stuttering to react is not freezing.
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Judge for yourself...
 
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