Macs or PCs for general use

[hafr]

Lets compare a Digital Storm x17 Laptop to a MacBook Pro 17-inch.
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/laptoploadx17.asp?id=568682

http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD311LL/A?

The first difference is the price(The PC is $750 less than the mac) , but that could mean that the PC has less powerful parts. I will be configuring both computers to be the same.

Myself, I noticed the huge difference in size before the difference in price. It's easier to put the same things in a bigger package than in a small one, which makes it cheaper. Comparing these two computers and saying the PC is cheaper than the Mac is actually worthy of one of those "Captain Obvious" pictures... I'm not saying it to defend Apple, I'm saying it because it's just a stupid comparison.

Memory: The Mac only has 4GB of 1333MHz ram, while the PC has 16GB DDR3 1600MHz straight out of the box. It would cost $200 to upgrade the mac to 8GB, and you would save $85 to downgrade to 8GB on the PC. An upgrade to 32GB would cost $266, meaning that 16GB costs $266 on the PC, and 4GB costs $200 on the mac, or 16GB costs $800, which isn't an option because the mac lacks the space for that much ram. So much for the design. Also, the 8GB option on the PC is 1600MHz, which is faster than the mac's 8GB option. PC wins

"Wins"? A bit childish, don't you think? By the way, for what it's worth, the MBP takes at least 16 GB at 1600 MHz. As far as I know, no one has tried putting in any more.

the mac SSDs are probably low quality

Why didn't you just look it up on Google instead of guessing?

Strict 72-hour stress-testing and benchmarking to ensure rock solid stable operation. Good luck doing that on a mac.

Why wouldn't it be possible on a Mac?

 

[Geekbabe]

I want to know why you think that Apple products are better.

The computer I'm typing this reply on was lighter, slimmer & cheaper than the Ultra Books I was also considering. Apple also offered an obscenely long return window for the holidays. My experiences thus far with Apple support & customer service have been far pleasanter than any I've had to date with a PC OEM.

I'm thrilled with how fast, responsive my MBA is, the fact that it is totally silent, the keyboard & oh my God it has a track pad that I actually enjoy using.

People will pay a premium price for things they value & clearly Apple's customer base values their products & customer service.

 

[hafr]

I want to know why you think that Apple products are better.

I had to replace my five year old HP 6715s and decided that 14" was the largest screen size I wanted (because I love my bag, and it doesn't take those wide screen 15" screens, and the old 'square' screens just aren't out there anymore). I went out looking, thinking the MBP 13" would turn out to be the most expensive option. To my surprise, it was the complete opposite.

There was one alternative though, that had twice the RAM, a powerful graphics card and so on that I almost bought. But when I did my research, I saw that loads of people mentioned they'd returned it because of the trackpad being utter ****, despite patches and what not. Not a single "I don't know what the others are talking about, my trackpad works" comment which you would otherwise always find. Since carrying around a mouse isn't an option for me, I decided it wasn't for me and went for the cheapest viable option - the MBP 13".

The trackpad is absolutely amazing, OS X was surprisingly easy to learn, having gone from DOS to Windows 7, stopping by almost every possible release of Windows in between. I haven't had half as many problems during the time I've had this as with other computers... It just turned out to be a cheap option (with screen size being pretty much the only thing I was looking for, so no other design factors), a great machine with an OS that I like and a trackpad that is "to die for".

These things, together with the overall user experience, is why I think this is the best computer I've ever had during the 26 years I've had a computer. But if I'd buy a 15" laptop, I'd probably not even consider Apple...

But, I'm still curious to how you dress, live and so on considering you seem to think it's a negative thing to factor in design when making a purchase.

 

[NastyTrorr]

Myself, I noticed the huge difference in size before the difference in price. It's easier to put the same things in a bigger package than in a small one, which makes it cheaper. Comparing these two computers and saying the PC is cheaper than the Mac is actually worthy of one of those "Captain Obvious" pictures... I'm not saying it to defend Apple, I'm saying it because it's just a stupid comparison.


"Wins"? A bit childish, don't you think? By the way, for what it's worth, the MBP takes at least 16 GB at 1600 MHz. As far as I know, no one has tried putting in any more.


Why didn't you just look it up on Google instead of guessing?


Why wouldn't it be possible on a Mac?

The size of the computer has nothing to do with the fact that the internal components are the same size (except the FOXCONN motherboard, which determines the size). Why would I pay $1500 more for less? Especially when it is lower quality.

If the macbook had space for even 16GB, it would have been a choice. Good luck fitting 32-64GB in there.

Google failed to provide a good comparison of the SSDs, but I clearly know that Intel SSDs are better than most other SSDs out there. So if apple does not mention the manufacturer of the SSD they probably do not want people to know.

Stress testing on a mac may result in overheating because it is too small to have proper laptop heatsinks.

The computer I'm typing this reply on was lighter, slimmer & cheaper than the Ultra Books I was also considering. Apple also offered an obscenely long return window for the holidays. My experiences thus far with Apple support & customer service have been far pleasanter than any I've had to date with a PC OEM.

I'm thrilled with how fast, responsive my MBA is, the fact that it is totally silent, the keyboard & oh my God it has a track pad that I actually enjoy using.

People will pay a premium price for things they value & clearly Apple's customer base values their products & customer service.

So design is more important than Performance and Quality. OK. When it comes to support of an OEM PC, the only thing you need is a RMA for DOA parts. Nothing else. Benchmarks prove that a PC is faster for 1/3 the price, so "fast" isn't a valid argument.

I had to replace my five year old HP 6715s and decided that 14" was the largest screen size I wanted (because I love my bag, and it doesn't take those wide screen 15" screens, and the old 'square' screens just aren't out there anymore). I went out looking, thinking the MBP 13" would turn out to be the most expensive option. To my surprise, it was the complete opposite.

There was one alternative though, that had twice the RAM, a powerful graphics card and so on that I almost bought. But when I did my research, I saw that loads of people mentioned they'd returned it because of the trackpad being utter ****, despite patches and what not. Not a single "I don't know what the others are talking about, my trackpad works" comment which you would otherwise always find. Since carrying around a mouse isn't an option for me, I decided it wasn't for me and went for the cheapest viable option - the MBP 13".

The trackpad is absolutely amazing, OS X was surprisingly easy to learn, having gone from DOS to Windows 7, stopping by almost every possible release of Windows in between. I haven't had half as many problems during the time I've had this as with other computers... It just turned out to be a cheap option (with screen size being pretty much the only thing I was looking for, so no other design factors), a great machine with an OS that I like and a trackpad that is "to die for".

These things, together with the overall user experience, is why I think this is the best computer I've ever had during the 26 years I've had a computer. But if I'd buy a 15" laptop, I'd probably not even consider Apple...

But, I'm still curious to how you dress, live and so on considering you seem to think it's a negative thing to factor in design when making a purchase.

All I read was that you purchased a HP laptop. If you are stupid enough to buy from companies who fail at making computers(HP,Dell,Apple), you should not be using a computer. I wear whatever is the most durable, I buy whatever lasts the longest and preforms the best. I live as an elitist, only buying the highest quality products. I don't put design before functionality. If 2 product have the same performance/cost, I purchase the one with better design.

 

[hafr]

The size of the computer has nothing to do with the fact that the internal components are the same size (except the FOXCONN motherboard, which determines the size).

Are you trolling? It's harder to fit the same components into a smaller box than into a larger box. The harder it is to fit things together, the more expensive it's going to be. The Mac having a smaller box will therefore of course be more expensive. Omitting the design as a factor when comparing the price of two computers is as moronic as omitting the material of a wedding ring when comparing prices.

Why would I pay $1500 more for less? Especially when it is lower quality.

Do you have access to numbers stating how many of the Mac's you were talking about that gets returned in comparison to how many of the PC's you were talking about? Or how do you know that the Mac is of lower quality?

If the macbook had space for even 16GB, it would have been a choice. Good luck fitting 32-64GB in there.

The 8 GB sticks aren't bigger than the 4 GB sticks, so it's not a question of space. It's a question of what the mother board can handle. The MBP can handle, and runs, 16 GB 1600 MHz RAM at 1600 MHz.

Google failed to provide a good comparison of the SSDs, but I clearly know that Intel SSDs are better than most other SSDs out there. So if apple does not mention the manufacturer of the SSD they probably do not want people to know.

It took me ten seconds to find out the manufacturer of the SSD's in the MBP's. You're obviously not serious.

Stress testing on a mac may result in overheating because it is too small to have proper laptop heatsinks.

So you're just guessing that it wouldn't be possible?

 

[NastyTrorr]

Are you trolling? It's harder to fit the same components into a smaller box than into a larger box. The harder it is to fit things together, the more expensive it's going to be. The Mac having a smaller box will therefore of course be more expensive. Omitting the design as a factor when comparing the price of two computers is as moronic as omitting the material of a wedding ring when comparing prices.

An intel CPU will be the same size in a Mac just like the PC. The motherboard is smaller, and that allows the case to be smaller. No PC manufacturer would do such a thing because of all of the problems they would encounter, including overheating.

Do you have access to numbers stating how many of the Mac's you were talking about that gets returned in comparison to how many of the PC's you were talking about? Or how do you know that the Mac is of lower quality?

Foxconn parts inside of a mac instantly make it of lower quality. Benchmarks comparing foxconn to other hardware companies always show that performance AND failure rate of the foxconn hardware is higher.

The 8 GB sticks aren't bigger than the 4 GB sticks, so it's not a question of space. It's a question of what the mother board can handle. The MBP can handle, and runs, 16 GB 1600 MHz RAM at 1600 MHz.

They aren't bigger, its just that there is not enough space to handle more memory. The PC motherboad can handle 32GB. Still, the PC is better.

It took me ten seconds to find out the manufacturer of the SSD's in the MBP's. You're obviously not serious.

So who is the manufacturer? I feel as if there was no need to look it up if apple does not mention it.

So you're just guessing that it wouldn't be possible?

It may be possible, but it would not be healthy for the hardware. After all, all mac users are CASUALS.

 

[hafr]

All I read was that you purchased a HP laptop. If you are stupid enough to buy from companies who fail at making computers(HP,Dell,Apple), you should not be using a computer.

In that case, you read something that I didn't write. In no way did I mention how or why I had my old laptop, just that I had to replace it. But your reply did prove that you're not serious about this discussion.

I wear whatever is the most durable, I buy whatever lasts the longest and preforms the best. I live as an elitist, only buying the highest quality products. I don't put design before functionality. If 2 product have the same performance/cost, I purchase the one with better design.

What kind of shoes would you wear to a black tie dinner?

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An intel CPU will be the same size in a Mac just like the PC. The motherboard is smaller, and that allows the case to be smaller. No PC manufacturer would do such a thing because of all of the problems they would encounter, including overheating.

Does the 17" MBP that you were comparing with have a lot of problems with overheating?

Foxconn parts inside of a mac instantly make it of lower quality. Benchmarks comparing foxconn to other hardware companies always show that performance AND failure rate of the foxconn hardware is higher.

Does the 17" MBP that you were comparing with have a higher failure rate than the PC?

They aren't bigger, its just that there is not enough space to handle more memory. The PC motherboad can handle 32GB. Still, the PC is better.

A few minutes ago, you had no idea the MBP handled 16 GB at 1600 MHz, but you're absolutely positive that it can't handle 32 GB? What did you learn during these minutes? Or are you just guessing again?

So who is the manufacturer? I feel as if there was no need to look it up if apple does not mention it.

You implied you'd used google in order to find a comparison. If you still don't know who the manufacturer is, you can't be very tech savvy.

It may be possible, but it would not be healthy for the hardware. After all, all mac users are CASUALS.

False statement after false statement. I can't tell whether you're dumb as nails or just trolling.

 

[NastyTrorr]

In that case, you read something that I didn't write. In no way did I mention how or why I had my old laptop, just that I had to replace it. But your reply did prove that you're not serious about this discussion.


What kind of shoes would you wear to a black tie dinner?

Who cares about how you obtained it, you were still using it. I don't attend formal events. But if I had to I would wear whatever I find the most comfortable.

Does the 17" MBP that you were comparing with have a lot of problems with overheating?


Does the 17" MBP that you were comparing with have a higher failure rate than the PC?


A few minutes ago, you had no idea the MBP handled 16 GB at 1600 MHz, but you're absolutely positive that it can't handle 32 GB? What did you learn during these minutes? Or are you just guessing again?


You implied you'd used google in order to find a comparison. If you still don't know who the manufacturer is, you can't be very tech savvy.


False statement after false statement. I can't tell whether you're dumb as nails or just trolling.

1. Probably, if I were to run benchmarks on it for a while.
2. Yes.
3. I said that the website did not offer 16GB. Most motherboards can handle 32GB, but why would a MAC user go through all of that trouble to: 1. Break the $350 warranty 2.Risk incompatibility 3. Experience Mac software problems?
4. I just looked it up, and the Toshiba SSDs are worse than Intel SSDs by benchmark reviews comparing similarly priced SSDs.
5. It is true, If you allow your computer to run at high temperatures for a long time, it will not be good for the hardware. Go and stress test your SSD by fragmenting and defragmenting for a day and then tell me that it still works.

 

[GGJstudios]

What kind of shoes would you wear to a black tie dinner?

That's easy: Lucchese boots..... and no tie!

 

[Geekbabe]

So design is more important than Performance and Quality. OK. When it comes to support of an OEM PC, the only thing you need is a RMA for DOA parts. Nothing else. Benchmarks prove that a PC is faster for 1/3 the price, so "fast" isn't a valid argument.

Not quite so fast... Design was important yes, but this computer was also $100 cheaper than the almost identically configured Ultra Book I was considering. The MBA being lighter, having a better keyboard & track pad were important considerations as well.

As for calling for an RMA, sorry but I've had to do that in the past, the experience is not always pleasant, particularly when you're out of the store's return period & you have to deal with the OEM directly. I can carry this computer into any local Apple store if I'm having an issue with it.

So yes, I compared PC notebooks against the MBA & found that the MBA offered me the best value for my dollar. You have every right to feel differently & if you do I'm sure you'll have no problem spending your money on PC parts.

 

[NastyTrorr]

Not quite so fast... Design was important yes, but this computer was also $100 cheaper than the almost identically configured Ultra Book I was considering. The MBA being lighter, having a better keyboard & track pad were important considerations as well.

As for calling for an RMA, sorry but I've had to do that in the past, the experience is not always pleasant, particularly when you're out of the store's return period & you have to deal with the OEM directly. I can carry this computer into any local Apple store if I'm having an issue with it.

So yes, I compared PC notebooks against the MBA & found that the MBA offered me the best value for my dollar. You have every right to feel differently & if you do I'm sure you'll have no problem spending your money on PC parts.

If it was cheaper, I would buy it. However you limited your search to ultrabooks, which is just a design feature. I never had a problem with RMAs. The apple store will overcharge you for repairs and upgrades. I already compared a PC to a MBP, and the PC costs less and performs better. I can configure a PC that would preform better than a MBP and cost less than a MBA.

 

[chrono1081]

If it was cheaper, I would buy it. However you limited your search to ultrabooks, which is just a design feature. I never had a problem with RMAs. The apple store will overcharge you for repairs and upgrades. I already compared a PC to a MBP, and the PC costs less and performs better. I can configure a PC that would preform better than a MBP and cost less than a MBA.

How does it perform better exactly? You can't compare hardware specs across operating systems, its not possible.

Mac OS will perform much more efficiently than a Windows machine with identical hardware. I know because I do this kind of testing at work for a living.

Linux will give you even MORE bang for your buck in this category but definitely isn't as compatible with software or user friendly.

I first thought your question was honest, but now it seems you made your mind up before you even posted, which throws into question the integrity of your post.

 

[NastyTrorr]

How does it perform better exactly? You can't compare hardware specs across operating systems, its not possible.

Mac OS will perform much more efficiently than a Windows machine with identical hardware. I know because I do this kind of testing at work for a living.

Linux will give you even MORE bang for your buck in this category but definitely isn't as compatible with software or user friendly.

I first thought your question was honest, but now it seems you made your mind up before you even posted, which throws into question the integrity of your post.

Benchmarking software that exists on both the Windows, Lunix, and OSX produces the same result for all 3 OS for similar hardware. Software developers make sure that the OS does not interfere with hardware performance. Now, we can compare a foxconn motherboard on a mac to a foxconn motherboard on a PC. Performance is the same. Now we compare a ASUS motherboard to a Foxconn motherboard on the PC. ASUS performs better. Now we can come to a conclusion that ASUS>Foxconn, putting foxconn on the very bottom of the list of performance of motherboards. Any computer using foxconn hardware will instantly be at a disadvantage. Go on Anandtech or Toms Hardware if you want to find benchmarks in detail, and the systems used for each test.

 

[Geekbabe]

If it was cheaper, I would buy it. However you limited your search to ultrabooks, which is just a design feature. I never had a problem with RMAs. The apple store will overcharge you for repairs and upgrades. I already compared a PC to a MBP, and the PC costs less and performs better. I can configure a PC that would preform better than a MBP and cost less than a MBA.

Again, not quite so fast, I was looking for Ultra Books because they are LIGHTER, this "Design feature" is quite important to those of us who travel a lot. Also, the keyboard & Track pad cannot be ignored, the MBA got better marks from reviewers for these features.

I've had extensive experiences with having to call for RMA's & it is not always pleasant, not by a long shot. LOL, I can recall several instances of waiting weeks for part replacement only to finally receive it and the part being DOA.

This MBA comes with a one year warranty, Apple GAVE me an additional two free years of Apple Care because they felt I was not given answers to order questions in a timely enough fashion!

I'm not a stupid woman, I researched, compared my options & got the computer that most closely met my needs. I feel I got good value & I'm very happy with my computer. In the end all that really matters is if the customer is happy with their purchase.

 

[NastyTrorr]

Again, not quite so fast, I was looking for Ultra Books because they are LIGHTER, this "Design feature" is quite important to those of us who travel a lot. Also, the keyboard & Track pad cannot be ignored, the MBA got better marks from reviewers for these features.

I've had extensive experiences with having to call for RMA's & it is not always pleasant, not by a long shot. LOL, I can recall several instances of waiting weeks for part replacement only to finally receive it and the part being DOA.

This MBA comes with a one year warranty, Apple GAVE me an additional two free years of Apple Care because they felt I was not given answers to order questions in a timely enough fashion!

I'm not a stupid woman, I researched, compared my options & got the computer that most closely met my needs. I feel I got good value & I'm very happy with my computer. In the end all that really matters is if the customer is happy with their purchase.

I guess the mac would fit you better than other options available to you, but that still doesn't change the fact that people who don't care about portability still purchase a mac. I guess apple has better unofficial customer care, but I had a similar experience with digital storm. If the mac is the best option, I would buy it, but now I discovered that I could buy something better for half the price of a mac.

 

[Geekbabe]

I guess the mac would fit you better than other options available to you, but that still doesn't change the fact that people who don't care about portability still purchase a mac. I guess apple has better unofficial customer care, but I had a similar experience with digital storm. If the mac is the best option, I would buy it, but now I discovered that I could buy something better for half the price of a mac.

People base their purchasing decisions on a lot of different factors, as long as they're not using your credit cards to shop why should it matter to you?

Keep in mind too, that competition fuels innovation and increases the choices available to consumers. I'm looking forward eagerly to getting my hands on the Asus Zenbook with Ivy Bridge when it is released & anticipating what tasty offering Apple will produce with the next MBA refresh. Competition.. it is good!

 

[Designer Dale]

Interesting that the OP is a Newbie with 15 posts in the only thread he has started on MacRumors. And a join date of March 21, no less. Yet he insists that we justify why we use Macs and corrects us ad nausium no matter what we say or what our backgrounds are.

Need help? We can do that. Want us to justify our machine choices? Nope.

Dale

 

[NastyTrorr]

Interesting that the OP is a Newbie with 15 posts in the only thread he has started on MacRumors. And a join date of March 21, no less. Yet he insists that we justify why we use Macs and corrects us ad nausium no matter what we say or what our backgrounds are.

Need help? We can do that. Want us to justify our machine choices? Nope.

Dale

You cannot find a flaw in my argument, and so you attack me to make my opinions useless. Nice job, I expect any mac user to do the same. What about my status? Does it not matter that I have a more successful job than 99% of mac users?

 

[chatfan]

Man stop trolling for an argument, you either know you want a mac or you don't. After years of Windows for general use / internet / gaming and mac for video editing I was fed up with using both and dropped windows.

Now after 4 years of Mac only, whenever I open windows 7 on vmware I think HOLY CRAP what a mess... It is so nice to have a system that takes care of things.

For nerding around I still run a Linux cluster (hosting buzz thingy) but to be honest, keeping up with the geek tech is boring me to bits. Too many holes to plug, so I'm using a full service account since 3 months ago. Want to use a computer instead of playing with it? Get a mac, want to nerd around, get a pc. Want to start a mac / pc argument? Go read the million previous ones?!? If you really are who you say you are you know everything already so why try and start this load of bollocks.

And anyone who can build me a 12 core PC / 32GB memory 12TB storage as reliable and stable as my Mac Pro for 1/4 the money: I will pay you 1/2 and you can keep the difference.

I want to know why you think that Apple products are better.

If you can't justify buying something, no matter what it is, don't buy it. Don't ask others to justify it for you.

 

[determined09]

I am going to buy a new desktop(and laptop) computer soon, and I was thinking about buying a mac. However, I can't find any way to justify its higher price and lower quality compared to a self built PC. What would be one laptop/desktop mac that would be able to do the things below and outperform the PC (lunix/windows)? Please provide benchmarks.

Uses:
Gaming
3D modeling
Java programming
Video/Photo editing
Multitasking

If you buy a mac, be sure to buy one to one training.

 

[Geekbabe]

You cannot find a flaw in my argument, and so you attack me to make my opinions useless. Nice job, I expect any mac user to do the same. What about my status? Does it not matter that I have a more successful job than 99% of mac users?

Hmmm .. This is the "Buying Tips" board at the MacRumors forum not the "my job is better than yours" forum LOL!

 

[MadTester]

Geekbabe... I totally agree..... Nasty.. Look it's not worth it... I changed from Pc's to a mac and trust me.... the extra money?.... worth every damn penny...

I run W7 through VMWare and guess what?.... It runs much smoother than on Dell or any home built machine(I used to build PC's to increase my income ).

If you can't make a decision and want an argument I suggest looking at your finances and then spend some time infront of a mirror and have this same discussion with yourself

(no disrespect intended)....

As for a successful job?.. well that depends on what the criteria is (moot point). I run my own business and hire my skills out... so again success is what you make it and not what you have to brag about (in my own opinion)

 

[Vantage Point]

What do you mean by get converted?

What I mean is that I was told by apple employees that 'we know that it takes PC users who convert to Macs about three visits to come in, ask questions, play , then come back in again...' Knowing that statistic the sales force is instructed to not try to pressure or close a potential convertee on their visit. They let the product sell itself but understand it is not an impulse buy type product and that switching is a big thing. I was never pressured and it took me about 4-5 trips to my apple store.

 

[NastyTrorr]

Man stop trolling for an argument, you either know you want a mac or you don't. After years of Windows for general use / internet / gaming and mac for video editing I was fed up with using both and dropped windows.

Now after 4 years of Mac only, whenever I open windows 7 on vmware I think HOLY CRAP what a mess... It is so nice to have a system that takes care of things.

For nerding around I still run a Linux cluster (hosting buzz thingy) but to be honest, keeping up with the geek tech is boring me to bits. Too many holes to plug, so I'm using a full service account since 3 months ago. Want to use a computer instead of playing with it? Get a mac, want to nerd around, get a pc. Want to start a mac / pc argument? Go read the million previous ones?!? If you really are who you say you are you know everything already so why try and start this load of bollocks.

And anyone who can build me a 12 core PC / 32GB memory 12TB storage as reliable and stable as my Mac Pro for 1/4 the money: I will pay you 1/2 and you can keep the difference.

The fact that you call something "geek/nerd" makes you look like a hipster(Which is why you own a mac). If you do not have common sense, you would be unable to use windows. The OSX is made for complete idiots who don't know how to maintain a computer.

My overkill PC is a overclocked to 4.0 8 core E5-2690s X2 PC(16 core total), 64GB of ram, 3TB x 8 in RAID, 6 600GB Intel SSDs in RAID as boot drives, Full water cooling for the chipset, ram, CPUs, 7 video cards (triple loop), Modded HAF-X for water cooling, 1500W PSU, 4 Quadro 6000s(purchased 3 680s to replace my 3 6970s)(all video card modded for water cooling and to take up one slot), ASUS Z9PE-D8 motherboard, and 4 OSs installed including Windows 7 and my own Stress Testing OS(I call it STOS). It runs as a server 24/7 and doubles as a gaming computer.

I wanted to buy a mac for less intensive tasks that I would do on the go, and that is why I care about performance.

Hmmm .. This is the "Buying Tips" board at the MacRumors forum not the "my job is better than yours" forum LOL!

My job is absolutely horrible(Not the salary). I have huge projects due every week and I have to keep up with a good computer, so I considered a mac for everyday use. Not only do I have to defend the PC, I have to find out why someone would use a mac. I thought this would be an easy process, someone shows me a mac with certain specs, and I decide if it is worth by it comparing to to a PC, but now I have almost no reason to use a mac.

 

[hafr]

Who cares about how you obtained it, you were still using it.

Why should I not have used it? Except having to replace the charger, it never once caused me any headache. I don't really see the point in not using a computer that works flawlessly because of who made it.

I don't attend formal events.

Shocker.

But if I had to I would wear whatever I find the most comfortable.

Do you have Aspergers, autism or anything like that? Not trying to be mean, this is a serious question since it would explain quite a lot.

1. Probably, if I were to run benchmarks on it for a while.

So you're stating things as true based on guesses?

2. Yes.

How do you know this?

3. I said that the website did not offer 16GB. Most motherboards can handle 32GB, but why would a MAC user go through all of that trouble to: 1. Break the $350 warranty 2.Risk incompatibility 3. Experience Mac software problems?

You also said there wasn't enough space in the MBP for 16 GB, and changing RAM doesn't void the warranty (or Apple care). You're really just full of ****, aren't you?

4. I just looked it up, and the Toshiba SSDs are worse than Intel SSDs by benchmark reviews comparing similarly priced SSDs.

You're apparently really bad at using Google. Try again. (No, I'm not trying to say Toshiba make better SSDs than Intel.)

5. It is true, If you allow your computer to run at high temperatures for a long time, it will not be good for the hardware. Go and stress test your SSD by fragmenting and defragmenting for a day and then tell me that it still works.

I was referring to the laughable and preposterous claim that all Mac users are casuals.