Macs or PCs for general use

[bhonder]

Lets compare a Digital Storm x17 Laptop to a MacBook Pro 17-inch.
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/laptoploadx17.asp?id=568682

http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD311LL/A?

The first difference is the price(The PC is $750 less than the mac) , but that could mean that the PC has less powerful parts. I will be configuring both computers to be the same.

I did the same comparison years ago before moving to a macbook pro. You are right: pc laptop is less expensive than apple laptop, given the same parts. But Apple wins because they spend a lot of time in designing phase: their laptops are thinner, make less noise (which is really good, if you have to think while working), the screen is spectacular and so on...
I bought a mac and never regret about that. It's really a machine you can rely upon.

You should consider the costumer support, too.

My wife bought a Toshiba for her mother. It had some trouble and Toshiba support was ridiculous and unuseful. They also told me that, given the serial number, our computer should not exist in my country. We bought it from a big retail brand, not from black market.

Apple has also a good customer care: I've experienced it by my own hands. They swapped me an iPod nano because my sweat ruined it.
I opened a bug ticket for the iPad because it seems to me (like to many others) that since iOS 5.1 it drains more power. Apple called me from U.S. to acquire more information.
Just to be clear: I never subscribed Applecare. This is the standard service.

 

[NastyTrorr]

Why should I not have used it? Except having to replace the charger, it never once caused me any headache. I don't really see the point in not using a computer that works flawlessly because of who made it.


Shocker.


Do you have Aspergers, autism or anything like that? Not trying to be mean, this is a serious question since it would explain quite a lot.


So you're stating things as true based on guesses?


How do you know this?


You also said there wasn't enough space in the MBP for 16 GB, and changing RAM doesn't void the warranty (or Apple care). You're really just full of ****, aren't you?


You're apparently really bad at using Google. Try again. (No, I'm not trying to say Toshiba make better SSDs than Intel.)

I was referring to the laughable and preposterous claim that all Mac users are casuals.

1. Ask anybody who assembles HP/Dell computers. THEY will tell you how bad they do it.

2. I don't have any mental disorders unless you think nihilism is one.

3. Yes, it is probably true. If it isn't, I can easily create a motherboard overheating benchmarking tool that will destroy/damage only mac chipsets.

4. Foxconn.

5. Changing any hardware without apples permission voids the warranty. There isn't enough space to put 4 ram sticks in a mac(I was referring to 4GB sticks). If there IS 4 ram spaces, it should be possible to have 32GB of ram.

6. On google all I read was https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2400486?start=0&tstart=0

7. I don't know any elitist mac user.

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I did the same comparison years ago before moving to a macbook pro. You are right: pc laptop is less expensive than apple laptop, given the same parts. But Apple wins because they spend a lot of time in designing phase: their laptops are thinner, make less noise (which is really good, if you have to think while working), the screen is spectacular and so on...
I bought a mac and never regret about that. It's really a machine you can rely upon.

You should consider the costumer support, too.

My wife bought a Toshiba for her mother. It had some trouble and Toshiba support was ridiculous and unuseful. They also told me that, given the serial number, our computer should not exist in my country. We bought it from a big retail brand, not from black market.

Apple has also a good customer care: I've experienced it by my own hands. They swapped me an iPod nano because my sweat ruined it.
I opened a bug ticket for the iPad because it seems to me (like to many others) that since iOS 5.1 it drains more power. Apple called me from U.S. to acquire more information.
Just to be clear: I never subscribed Applecare. This is the standard service.

I compared customer support in that post, and the PC won. Better design is only an opinion. Any laptop that isn't made by companies like digitalstorm/cyberpower/other customized laptop sellers should not be compared to a mac.

 

[Vantage Point]

I thought this would be an easy process, someone shows me a mac with certain specs, and I decide if it is worth by it comparing to to a PC, but now I have almost no reason to use a mac.

People don't buy macs for the specs - they buy macs for the experience. You don't need a forum to compare specs. The Operation system, the track pads, the interface, software... that overall experience. That is why you need to play with one and see if you like it. If it is just specs then you already know what you want. Some types of purchases are about specs, computers are more than that. You are here wanting someone to sell you on getting a mac. Mac owners tend to love their Macs, PC owners tend to see them as a tool, a means to an end. Go out and play with one!!!

 

[bhonder]

My overkill PC is a overclocked to 4.0 8 core E5-2690s X2 PC(16 core total), 64GB of ram, 3TB x 8 in RAID, 6 600GB Intel SSDs in RAID as boot drives, Full water cooling for the chipset, ram, CPUs, 7 video cards (triple loop), Modded HAF-X for water cooling, 1500W PSU, 4 Quadro 6000s(purchased 3 680s to replace my 3 6970s)(all video card modded for water cooling and to take up one slot), ASUS Z9PE-D8 motherboard, and 4 OSs installed including Windows 7 and my own Stress Testing OS(I call it STOS). It runs as a server 24/7 and doubles as a gaming computer.

I wanted to buy a mac for less intensive tasks that I would do on the go, and that is why I care about performance.

That's a spectacular computer. Just too curious: what's your job?

My job is absolutely horrible(Not the salary). I have huge projects due every week and I have to keep up with a good computer, so I considered a mac for everyday use. Not only do I have to defend the PC, I have to find out why someone would use a mac. I thought this would be an easy process, someone shows me a mac with certain specs, and I decide if it is worth by it comparing to to a PC, but now I have almost no reason to use a mac.

Mac is not a religion, just hardware and software. Hardware is the same as pc, software is (almost) the same. The operating system is different: you have to focus on that.

Let me give an advice. I have to use a lot of computers and operating system: learning a new one is always a funny and interesting task.

As soon as you will be less burdened with job, buy a macbook and play with OSX. The learning curve is not too steep. If it fits with your needs, you will have a really light, yet powerful computer, to carry with you. If it doesn't fit, the second-hand market is waiting for that kludge.

Choice number 2. Another way to try OSX: bittorent, iATKOS' image, Virtualbox. Download, install, try, like, buy.
Don't like, [CANC], clear trash.

P.S. I'm writing with ubuntu 10.04 from my wife's Asus 1201N nebook.

 

[NastyTrorr]

I thought this would be an easy process, someone shows me a mac with certain specs, and I decide if it is worth by it comparing to to a PC, but now I have almost no reason to use a mac.

People don't buy macs for the specs - they buy macs for the experience. You don't need a forum to compare specs. The Operation system, the track pads, the interface, software... that overall experience. That is why you need to play with one and see if you like it. If it is just specs then you already know what you want. Some types of purchases are about specs, computers are more than that. You are here wanting someone to sell you on getting a mac. Mac owners tend to love their Macs, PC owners tend to see them as a tool, a means to an end. Go out and play with one!!!

I have used the OS before, and it is nothing special. Like I said, it feels like a limited version of linux when programming, but it is alright for anything else. The software is nothing special, the hardware sucks and the interface is alright. Would you rather have a tool or a toy?

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That's a spectacular computer. Just too curious: what's your job?



Mac is not a religion, just hardware and software. Hardware is the same as pc, software is (almost) the same. The operating system is different: you have to focus on that.

Let me give an advice. I have to use a lot of computers and operating system: learning a new one is always a funny and interesting task.

As soon as you will be less burdened with job, buy a macbook and play with OSX. The learning curve is not too steep. If it fits with your needs, you will have a really light, yet powerful computer, to carry with you. If it doesn't fit, the second-hand market is waiting for that kludge.

Choice number 2. Another way to try OSX: bittorent, iATKOS' image, Virtualbox. Download, install, try, like, buy.
Don't like, [CANC], clear trash.

P.S. I'm writing with ubuntu 10.04 from my wife's Asus 1201N nebook.

I work for Intel/Havok as a Physics/AI programmer. The computer was made possible by intel, which gave me heavy discounts on the parts. The hardware is actually worse than the PC just because of Foxconn. I know how to use all popular OSs, and I think linux is the best one.

 

[macjunk(ie)]

I thought this would be an easy process, someone shows me a mac with certain specs, and I decide if it is worth by it comparing to to a PC, but now I have almost no reason to use a mac.

There. You have all your answers. I guess you can go back to finishing your big projects on your hyper PC and stop asking us to justify our purchases.

 

[Geekbabe]

There. You have all your answers. I guess you can go back to finishing your big projects on your hyper PC and stop asking us to justify our purchases.

Amen!

Lol, unless somebody else is paying for my computers, I'll be the one to decide what I buy & when.

 

[Geekbabe]

Look, lots of people have tried to give you honest answers as to why they purchased their Mac's & they've been rather pleasant about it. Each time somebody responds you come back with a reason why you think PC is better & you've tossed in an insult or three of your own.. it gets grating.

If you feel that building your own PC's gives you better value & is more suited to meeting your unique needs, great! you have your answer & no need to trouble yourself further chatting with people who love a product that you clearly feel is inferior!

 

[Vantage Point]

You're clearly the one trying to pick a fight. You asked for advice and people kindly offered it. I guess there is a reason why your are called "Nasty". Go play with your PC. We own Macs because we like them - they are wonderful machines built with style to have both form and function - the result is Apple is essentially the largest company in the world (market cap). They don't build products to compete on specs, they build products that compete in the user experience. They don't needs sales, gimmicks, or even have to drop prices over time because they don't have to - people love them. Their built well, look good, last long, and hold their value. You're the one shopping around for a change, asking questions then snidely commenting on the answers. Perhaps you wouldn't be so 'nasty' if you were happy with your computer.

 

[NastyTrorr]

Look, lots of people have tried to give you honest answers as to why they purchased their Mac's & they've been rather pleasant about it. Each time somebody responds you come back with a reason why you think PC is better & you've tossed in an insult or three of your own.. it gets grating.

If you feel that building your own PC's gives you better value & is more suited to meeting your unique needs, great! you have your answer & no need to trouble yourself further chatting with people who love a product that you clearly feel is inferior!

And I found flaws in EVERY SINGLE ONE of the answers. Sure, nobody can be all knowing to get a PC, but there has to be something that the mac has that attracts these who don't care about the macs strengths in portability. Most of the replies came from uneducated users who blamed the OS instead of their own faults. The only valid point I accept from this thread is that macs may be better for portability. Everything else is either false or just an opinion.

 

[Geekbabe]

And I found flaws in EVERY SINGLE ONE of the answers. Sure, nobody can be all knowing to get a PC, but there has to be something that the mac has that attracts these who don't care about the macs strengths in portability. Most of the replies came from uneducated users who blamed the OS instead of their own faults. The only valid point I accept from this thread is that macs may be better for portability. Everything else is either false or just an opinion.

Look, you aren't paying for our computers, you don't get to decide what we like or don't like, you only get to decide those questions for your own computer purchases.

You find the Mac to be inferior? that is your right, you find Mac lovers to be "uneducated" that is your right as well. However, those rights don't extend to repeatedly abusing the hospitality of a forum dedicated to people who love Apple products.

So, why not go find a PC forum to post in & leave us in peace.

 

[Apple OC]

I'm writing with ubuntu 10.04 from my wife's Asus 1201N nebook.

most people here on MR will chose Mac for casual use ... why not go ask your question on the Asus forums?

 

[NastyTrorr]

Look, you aren't paying for our computers, you don't get to decide what we like or don't like, you only get to decide those questions for your own computer purchases.

You find the Mac to be inferior? that is your right, you find Mac lovers to be "uneducated" that is your right as well. However, those rights don't extend to repeatedly abusing the hospitality of a forum dedicated to people who love Apple products.

So, why not go find a PC forum to post in & leave us in peace.

The PC forum wont help me buy a mac.

Receive valid, well-reasoned critique
Take one of two options: 1) thoughtful self-reflection or 2.) Attack the poster when can not come up with defense
Pick #2.
MacRumors!

 

[talmy]

And I found flaws in EVERY SINGLE ONE of the answers.

Really? The first two replies in this thread told you to buy a PC. You didn't find flaws in those. I really don't know why you are here. If you truly have unlimited funds, like you claimed, you could just buy a Mac and try it out. Why ask for assistance that you immediately reject (as long as it is pro-Mac)?

I use Windows (XP and 7 Pro), Linux (Debian and Ubuntu), and OS X virtually every day, but I buy only Macs for my personal and personal business use. I can't imagine buying another Windows PC (I've bought 8, and have built more). I'm an electrical engineer with over 40 years of computer experience and with degrees from Stanford and Cornell. But more power to you if you buy a PC. My son won't touch a Mac either, even when I've offered to give him one!

 

[Geekbabe]

The PC forum wont help me buy a mac.

Receive valid, well-reasoned critique
Take one of two options: 1) thoughtful self-reflection or 2.) Attack the poster when can not come up with defense
Pick #2.
MacRumors!

Sigh.. you've already asked many questions, received many lengthy answers & you've refuted every single one of them proving that for YOU buying a Mac is not a good idea.

You have the answer you came here seeking, a MAC would not be a good investment for YOU, what else do you need to know?

Btw, I have not "attacked you" but note that it's quite presumptuous of you to come here & demand that anybody "defend" their purchasing decisions to you.

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Really? The first two replies in this thread told you to buy a PC. You didn't find flaws in those. I really don't know why you are here. If you truly have unlimited funds, like you claimed, you could just buy a Mac and try it out. Why ask for assistance that you immediately reject (as long as it is pro-Mac)?

I use Windows (XP and 7 Pro), Linux (Debian and Ubuntu), and OS X virtually every day, but I buy only Macs for my personal and personal business use. I can't imagine buying another Windows PC (I've bought 8, and have built more). I'm an electrical engineer with over 40 years of computer experience and with degrees from Stanford and Cornell. But more power to you if you buy a PC. My son won't touch a Mac either, even when I've offered to give him one!

LOL, My husband is very pro PC, he even makes jokes about "that rotten piece of fruit "on our home network.

Seriously though, loving Apple doesn't have to mean hating pc & it doesn't mean that people can't use both depending on their needs. Lol, I'm in a mixed marriage & it's going quite nicely

 

[hafr]

1. Ask anybody who assembles HP/Dell computers. THEY will tell you how bad they do it.

Is that your answer to why me using a computer that works is a sign that I shouldn't be using computers?

2. I don't have any mental disorders unless you think nihilism is one.

Is this another one of your assumptions without any proof what so ever?

3. Yes, it is probably true. If it isn't, I can easily create a motherboard overheating benchmarking tool that will destroy/damage only mac chipsets.

So you don't know.

4. Foxconn.

So you don't know.

5. Changing any hardware without apples permission voids the warranty. There isn't enough space to put 4 ram sticks in a mac(I was referring to 4GB sticks). If there IS 4 ram spaces, it should be possible to have 32GB of ram.

Apple says the RAM in an MBP is user changeable and the procedure is described in the manual, but you say it voids the warranty? Is this another one of your uninformed guesses, or are you lying intentionally?

6. On google all I read was https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2400486?start=0&tstart=0

Do you think it's possible something has happened during the two years since the last answer was posted?

7. I don't know any elitist mac user.

Anecdotal evidence, at least it's better than the blatant lies you're normally telling.

 

[NastyTrorr]

Really? The first two replies in this thread told you to buy a PC. You didn't find flaws in those. I really don't know why you are here. If you truly have unlimited funds, like you claimed, you could just buy a Mac and try it out. Why ask for assistance that you immediately reject (as long as it is pro-Mac)?

I use Windows (XP and 7 Pro), Linux (Debian and Ubuntu), and OS X virtually every day, but I buy only Macs for my personal and personal business use. I can't imagine buying another Windows PC (I've bought 8, and have built more). I'm an electrical engineer with over 40 years of computer experience and with degrees from Stanford and Cornell. But more power to you if you buy a PC. My son won't touch a Mac either, even when I've offered to give him one!

I wanted to buy a mac, I already have a PC. Also, I will buy a mac soon but I don't know which one will work better, or just as well as a PC(I have no choice but to buy a mac for testing certain software). The problem was that most of the people who were replying failed to provide me with knowledgeable responses about macs in general. I should have mentioned that I do not care about portability or design, just pure hardware power (which I knew was of lower quality, but as long as nobody claimed that the mac was better in tasks that rely heavily on hardware (like rendering) it was alright, because my original task was to test software).

Is that your answer to why me using a computer that works is a sign that I shouldn't be using computers?


Is this another one of your assumptions without any proof what so ever?


So you don't know.


So you don't know.


Apple says the RAM in an MBP is user changeable and the procedure is described in the manual, but you say it voids the warranty? Is this another one of your uninformed guesses, or are you lying intentionally?


Do you think it's possible something has happened during the two years since the last answer was posted?


Anecdotal evidence, at least it's better than the blatant lies you're normally telling.

You want proof, but you stay away from benchmarks. You think I don't know, when benchmarks prove the lower quality of foxxcon parts, AND MACS IN GENERAL. If a mac user messes up his mac by adding incompatible ram, he voids the warranty.
Why don't you just give me that manufacturer? Are you keeping that secret just for the sake of argument?

 

[hafr]

I wanted to buy a mac, I already have a PC.

I call ********, you just wanted to troll.

The problem was that most of the people who were replying failed to provide me with knowledgeable responses about macs in general.

As opposed to your wild guesses and lies?

You want proof, but you stay away from benchmarks.

You compared two computers, saying one have more problems than the other. But in no way, shape or form have you been able to show that it's true. And when asked about it, you're not even ashamed when you admit that you have no idea whether it's true or not.

If a mac user messes up his mac by adding incompatible ram, he voids the warranty.

You do realize you've lost all credibility, right? First there wasn't enough space in an MBP for 16 GB RAM, and the reason was because it wasn't an option on Apple's website. Then changing the RAM would void the warranty, now it's just incompatible RAM that voids it...

Why don't you just give me that manufacturer? Are you keeping that secret just for the sake of argument?

Because it's nothing short of hilarious that you, after everything you claim you know, have done and are doing, can't even find such a simple piece of information. You're just embarrassing yourself more and more for every post.

 

[NastyTrorr]

More attacks on me. I did not come here to argue about how bad the mac is, I came here for advice on buying a mac that would be reasonably priced in comparison to a PC with similar specs. If you can not recommend me a mac that fits my needs, please don't post.

 

[blueroom]

This thread is bait. Ignore it.

 

[r.j.s]

That's enough bickering.