Oh, buddy, you might want to look at how long Apple reuses its designs for. I'd guess the current MBP has 5+ years left in it.
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Macs to Get AI-Focused M4 Chips Starting in Late 2024
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Poop! Was hoping to get an M3 Studio this July or shortly after. Hope they don't wait till middle of 2025 for the M4.
Apple will begin updating its Mac lineup with M4 chips in late 2024, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. The M4 chip will be focused on improving performance for artificial intelligence capabilities.
Last year, Apple introduced the M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max chips all at once in October, so it's possible we could see the M4 lineup come during the same time frame. Gurman says that the entire Mac lineup is slated to get the M4 across late 2024 and early 2025.
The iMac, low-end 14-inch MacBook Pro, high-end 14-inch MacBook Pro, 16-inch MacBook Pro, and Mac mini machines will be updated with M4 chips first, followed by the 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air models in spring 2025, the Mac Studio in mid-2025, and the Mac Pro later in 2025.
Apple is said to be nearing production of the M4 processor, and it is expected to come in at least three main varieties. Chips are codenamed Donan for the low-end, Brava for the mid-tier, and Hidra for the top-end. The Donan chip will be used in the entry-level MacBook Pro, the MacBook Air machines, and the low-end Mac mini, and the Brava chips will be used in the higher-end MacBook Pro and the higher-end Mac mini.
The Hidra chip is designed for the Mac Pro, which suggests it is an "Ultra" or "Extreme" tier chip. As for the Mac Studio, Apple is testing versions with an unreleased M3-era chip and a variation of the M4 Brava processor that would presumably be higher tier than the M4 Pro and M4 Max "Brava" chips.
M4 versions of the Mac desktops could support as much as 512GB Unified Memory, which would be a marked jump over the current 192GB limit.
The M4 chips will be built on the same 3-nanometer process as the M3 chips, but Apple supplier TSMC will likely use an improved version of the 3nm process for boosts in performance and power efficiency. Apple also plans to add a much improved Neural Engine that has an increased number of cores for AI tasks.
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AI ≠ machine learning either.
AI is much broader and machine learning and LLMs are just two techniques used in AI.
"The various sub-fields of AI research are centered around particular goals and the use of particular tools. The traditional goals of AI research include reasoning, knowledge representation, planning, learning, natural language processing, perception, and support for robotics.[a] General intelligence—the ability to complete any task performable by a human on an at least equal level—is among the field's long-term goals" -Artficial Intelligence, Wikipedia
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Found the DMP disable chicken bit. it's `HID11_EL1<30>` (at least on M2). So yeah, as I predicted, GoFetch is entirely patchable. I'll write up a patch for Linux to hook it up as a CPU security bug workaround. (`HID4_EL1<4>` also works, but we have a name for that and it looks like a big...
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if this is true, I bet the 4 in M4 will morph into the letters A.I. during the lunch vid or whatever
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Yes. M3 Mac mini would've been updated alongside the M3 MacBook Air. Looks like it's getting skipped.
Why? Higher ASP (average sale price) on MacBooks, which is the only way to get an M3-series chip right now.
How can it be a waste of screen space when they actually added vertical pixels to the display to do it?
How many apps actually have that many menu items across the top to be a problem?
I thought it would annoy me a lot also, but now I do not care.
So we can assume an M3 Mac Pro will be completely skipped.
Fine. I can wait.
As far as AI, I just want a SIRI that will act snippy when you talk rudely to it.
Fine. I can wait.
As far as AI, I just want a SIRI that will act snippy when you talk rudely to it.
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How does a different screen resolution help? The notch does not disappear.
If your solution is making a thick black bar due that notch, that is silly. It should be a thin bezel.
I have alot of menu items and I have had menu items hidden under that notch.
It should simply not be there and simply have a thin bezel.
If the Mac had Face ID, then maybe I could understand having a notch. But without Face ID, the notch is ridiculous.
Thin bezels > Notch.
It puts the top of the screen below the notch.
My solution isn't to do that because the notch doesn't bother me.
Well, this past Christmas, I bought a Mac Studio with M2 Max 12/30/16 chip, 64GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD. If that’s not good enough for any AI developments over the next five years, I’ll just have to live without them.
And don’t get me started on AI and iPads. I don’t even know if the M3 chip is worth paying for on an iPad.
And don’t get me started on AI and iPads. I don’t even know if the M3 chip is worth paying for on an iPad.
The camera components take up pretty much the whole notch, where do you want them to go?
You realize that it is only a 1080p webcam right? Android phones have a very small little dot in the screen for a 4K camera. So give me a break, there is no way that we have a big ass notch due to a 1080p camera.
Let's assume that we have big ass notch due to that 1080p camera (which cannot be possible, look at Android phones), Apple should downgrade it to a 720p camera then and have thin bezels because the quality of that 1080p camera isn't good to be begin with and not worth having that big ass notch. If you need a good quality camera, use an external camera.
If (and that’s a big if) we assume this report is correct, then it’s clear some Macs would skip the M3 - just as the iMac skipped the M2. It’s quite likely the Mini and Studio would go directly from the M2 family to M4. Again, that’s assuming thus report turns out to be correct.
Everyone wants change out of boredom but change isn’t always an improvement. We suffered though the MacBook getting increasingly more thin and lost MagSafe and the SD card reader. We suffered through the butterfly keyboard and touchbar fiasco. The current design remedies many bad changes from the past and we finally have a functional MacBook with no glaring flaws. I’m ok if they never change this design again. If you’re bored maybe stick on some skins.
This would put the M3 iPad Pros in an awkward spot, but I guess the M2 in the Vision Pro was pretty awkward too.
”M4 versions of the Mac desktops could support as much as 512GB Unified Memory, which would be a marked jump over the current 192GB limit … “ not just in capacity but also in $$$ given Apple’s RAM tax and the lack of third party RAM upgrade options.
Apple will begin updating its Mac lineup with M4 chips in late 2024, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. The M4 chip will be focused on improving performance for artificial intelligence capabilities.
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