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They will release also an Apple Silicon counterpart to this Intel Mac.

This is meant for professionals, who need a WIRED platform and can’t afford to have programs which don’t run on it.

Also, they will still need to release Intel macOS software updates for lower-end Intel Macs (which are replaced more slowly), so it’s really a no-brainer for Apple.
 
Wild thoughts:

Long time ago I used a Commodore 128 which had two CPU's, one for Commodore software and one for CP/M OS. Dual-boot if you will and kind of unique at the time.

What about a Mac with both Apple-silicon and Intel CPU? Designing a PCB that would house two different CPU architectures is a big challenge, but could it offer a significant advantage over two separate machines?

Or maybe a modular design where the CPU part is some sort of a replaceable card/cartridge?
 
Wild thoughts:

Long time ago I used a Commodore 128 which had two CPU's, one for Commodore software and one for CP/M OS. Dual-boot if you will and kind of unique at the time.

What about a Mac with both Apple-silicon and Intel CPU? Designing a PCB that would house two different CPU architectures is a big challenge, but could it offer a significant advantage over two separate machines?
You can do that, and Apple has in the past, but I don’t think it interests them.

 
Isotope and Native Instruments would call it “maximizing revenues from the legacy platform to help capitalize on opportunities for growth with Apple’s exciting new hardware.” I think most of us call it double-dipping on a captive audience who depend on your software for their livelihood whilst wanting to tell you to f*ck off because the version updates alone are designed to extract maximum revenue per user while giving the absolute least value for their dollar, but I digress.

This is sad reality in music production no matter which unicorns we wish for.
 
This might be your last chance to prove yourself to Apple. Otherwise… all the best in the future.

Meanwhile, Intel was throwing shades at Apple.


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If you can't hear or think because your machine is screaming with fan noise due to a power insatiable CPU, you're not on a Mac.
 
Neither is Rocket Lake and works perfectly fine. Alder Lake is already working too, so your point is moot.

Huh? You brought up that you were dissatisfied with Alder Lake support in macOS.

No. Until an Apple Silicon based Mac comes out that bests the highest end Intel Mac or Intel CPU in general (when comparing apples to apples), then you could reconsider. What M1 based Mac performs as fast as a 11900K processor? Or 12900k? Is there an M1 based mac that can beat a 6900 XT? Or 6800 XT? Or even 6800?

So what? You'll be building an expensive frankenstein setup that will never actually work very reliably, because your OS vendor has deprecated support for the entire architecture, and has never supported the microarchitecture. Enjoy!
 
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Wild thoughts:

Long time ago I used a Commodore 128 which had two CPU's, one for Commodore software and one for CP/M OS. Dual-boot if you will and kind of unique at the time.

What about a Mac with both Apple-silicon and Intel CPU? Designing a PCB that would house two different CPU architectures is a big challenge, but could it offer a significant advantage over two separate machines?

Or maybe a modular design where the CPU part is some sort of a replaceable card/cartridge?
Sounds hot, Hot, HOT!
 
Sounds to me like Apple are not making as fast progress on the Pro model and/or are supply constrained. The answer to that is probably to do a lightly upgraded Intel model to tide over the Pro model until the new one is ready. It might be that it's not been wheeled out yet because Apple either can't see it making them money or the Pro is closer than we think.
 
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After they admitted screwed up with the mac pro 2013... I loved the form factor but not having upgradable GPUs killed it and The D700s were outdated by 2015... they continued making it for 5 years. Well that and the Limited RAM and storage...

Then the 2019 beast we currently have with GPUs an insane amount of drama and storage... I can't see them making a SMALL mac pro again. We need PCIE slots and the RAM... but can Apple silicon support 200+ GB of RAM and PCIE slots?
 
If that machine comes out in late 2022, and Apple supports their macs for an average of 7 years (plus two years of security updates), then we’re looking at the 2029 macOS 20.0 release as the last one that will support Intel.

Makes sense why Tim said they would support Intel macs “for years to come”.
No chance, it'll be 1 possibly 2 releases of Mac OS, then it'll be just security updates and bug fixes. Apple don't support thier macs for 7 years. Where has this delusion come from.
 
No chance, it'll be 1 possibly 2 releases of Mac OS, then it'll be just security updates and bug fixes. Apple don't support thier macs for 7 years. Where has this delusion come from.
I suggest you go do your research before claiming delusion on others. And please fix the “don’t”.
 
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LENOVO 82RF (Notebook)

Geekbench 5 Score​

1878
Single-Core Score

12058
Multi-Core Score

Intel Core i9-12900HK, 10nm


Not bad, but the key question is: is its power draw (and therefore heat/noise, battery life, etc.) similar?

Preliminary data on Alder Lake seemed to suggest that performance varies wildly depending on the PLs (power limits).
 
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The prices are so insane that I personally don't care, but I do think it's a smart move on Apple's part, and shows a commitment to professional users/clients that you probably wouldn't have seen just a few years ago.

For my part, I'm most curious about the rumoured smaller pro desktop machine. If the price isn't too insane, and it's still upgradeable, that might actually be a machine that would tempt me back into the desktop+laptop world (I've been laptop-only for many years now... well, other than an Ubuntu box I use for machine learning stuff... heh...).
 
They will release also an Apple Silicon counterpart to this Intel Mac.

This is meant for professionals, who need a WIRED platform and can’t afford to have programs which don’t run on it.
Yeah, Intel CPUs probably will just be a configuration option during the purchasing process. Makes sense.
 
It takes courage to admit Apple silicon and Rosetta 2 aren't perfect. :p
It is the writer's opinion - they are making an assumption as to why.

When Rosetta 1 was released there were a lot of issues and problems and when Rosetta 2 was released, Apple let the developers know that there will be problems and that Apple is willing to work with them directly to overcome some of those issues if they transition the software to Mac natively with ARM processors. In fact, Parallels (which was announced at Apple's release) was functioning on stage but not in the wild and it took over a year for Parallels to finally get a public version working.

Rosetta 2 was never supposed to be perfect and was supposed to work for majority of apps out there until they got transition to the Apple processors.

Not sure where you got the memo that it was perfect... but I do understand where you are coming from.
 
I just hope at some point Apple decides to make an Apple Silicon Mac that’s still user upgradeable. I know a lot of the power of Apple Silicon comes from RAM & SSD being integrated with the CPU & GPU, but the ability to upgrade things like RAM & SSD would be really appealing, especially if it was a cheaper machine like a larger Mac mini or something. Would love a machine like that.
I agree 100% with that statement. If the Mac Mini could have slots for extra RAM and Storage that would be ideal, even if it slows the system down.
 
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who is willing to buy multi thousand dollar computer at the end of life of the processor?
 
who is willing to buy multi thousand dollar computer at the end of life of the processor?
They are putting in new Intel processors. Not older ones. These processors have also been on Apple's workbench for them to test and provide Intel with corrections or fixes before Intel actually mass-produces them.
 
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