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...but the support for VMWare (or Parallels) as a core line of business make it more polished. Better UIs, better "seamless integration" with the OS, boot camp integration, etc. Oracle has buckets of cash, but they make no money on Virtualbox so investment and commitment are presumably lower.

I've never been totally convinced about VMware's dedication to Fusion as the money they make from it must be chicken feed compared to their data centre offerings ($10k to $30k per server for their high end products). But their support and continued development has been pretty good so far.

I'm always nervous about Parallels, having had a very bad experience with their Plesk product. Mainly them releasing a major version that was nowhere near ready and their paid for support being beyond diabolical. In fairness they acknowledged the issues and have turned things round but it still leaves a bad taste.

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I have a copy of VMware fusion 2, and it doesn't work anymore after upgrading to lion, so this is tempting. But will fusion 4 add support for mountain lion, or will they just release a version 5 at full price?

Lion support was added to Fusion 4, took a month or two but no charge for it. Even if Fusion 5 does come out before Mountain Lion (and there is no sign of it) I'd be very surprised if they didn't add support to Fusion 4 as well.

Plus they normally have some good time limited deals on upgrades, I got Fusion 4 pretty cheap as a competitive upgrade from Parallels.
 
Clarification

The initial comment was about "VMware having written the book on virtualization". I'm sorry, they didn't, no matter how much the goal posts want to be moved to suddenly "having created the market for Intel server virtualization" (not to mention HP's vPar over PA-RISC architecture product also contesting VMWare "having written the book").

So let's give credit where credit is due. VMWare wrote no books. They read the book and applied it to a platform where it was all but relevant and managed to carve a very big industry for themselves.

You're quite right this is all quite off-topic, so I don't know why you're persisting. I corrected the initial poster's lack of insight into the virtualization arena and who actually "wrote the book on it" and it should have simply ended there instead of turning into this "goal post moving nitpicking".

Knight, I think you missed the intended meaning of the "written the book" part. It seems to me it was supposed to be taken as something like, "VMware has made significant contributions to virtualization."

It's kind of like Nirvana putting grunge on the map, even though they didn't invent grunge and there were very non-mainstream predecessors that heavily influenced the band that later came to epitomize this genre. You could say, then, that Nirvana "wrote the book" on grunge with respect to what it means to be a grunge band, especially when it comes to being one that is commercially successful.

Likewise, one could say that VMware wrote the book on virtualization, despite the fact they didn't invent it and they were influenced by their predecessors in the field.

Hopefully, I have articulated this well, or at least well enough to point out that you seem to be arguing one interpretation of that sentence, while the original intended meaning was apparently something similar to what I indicated above. You've most likely been accused of nitpicking because you've chosen to argue that point rather than focus on the merits of VMware's contribution to virtualization.

Hope this helps...now, back on topic, please! I'm trying to decide if I want to buy this bundle and I'm hoping this thread can help me make my decision. :p
 
Beware Caution

Since downloading this package I have determined that emails are being sent in my name to my contact list. The email contains the following:

W0rk fr0m h0me
http://voxpopuligallery.org/kapton.php?yhjnsubacc=703
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I have just downloaded Norton and hope the problem can be rooted out; and I hope that my personal and financial info is safe.

I cannot say that this is definitely from this download; but I have no other downloads in the past week or so.

Ron
 
Hum... VirtualBox runs anything from Haiku, to the BSDs, to Linux, to Solaris including Windows and OS X. It has all the same major features as VMWare and Parallels.
No it hasn't. Parallels, Fusion and VirtualBox are all quite different and have quite different features. They do have lots of similarities but are by no means 100% the same thing as you are now claiming. Also the OS support is incorrect. Compare the list of supported guest OS's from Parallels, VMware and VirtualBox. Quite a lot of differences in it. The BSD's where not supported in VirtualBox before and some still aren't. Only FreeBSD is officially supported and only because the FreeBSD development team has created a project especially for this (a very active project even).

Please provide proof for your claims.

All that's left are your claims, things I don't have an issue with, and your subjective issues with the GUI and "ease of use" which frankly I find absurd in virtualization products (they all require some kind of knowledge to use, the learning curves aren't much different. I've seen it all since VMWare was a free product back in the early 00s).
The only thing left is your false information and wrong assumptions. I personally do not dislike the GUI or the workflow in VirtualBox but I know that others do, it is the feedback I get back from users and it isn't any different than others get if I look for it on the internet or talk to other sysadmins. When people are shown something like VMware Player or Fusion they'll prefer these apps because of the more clear GUI and workflow.

I also do not have issues with VirtualBox. It runs fine for certain uses but I know it does other things not so well which goes the same for any other piece of software. Unlike you I do recognise the strengths and weaknesses of a product and I certainly am not as uberselfish as you are. Just because YOU don't have problems doesn't mean others don't and certainly doesn't mean that the product is THE product for every use. VirtualBox, Parallels and Fusion have their differences, strengths, weaknesses, etc. which defines what you should and shouldn't use them for.

Btw, I think you mean the early 90s when it was still a thesis project. In the early 00s it was a company that sold virtualisations products.

And yes, when I ask for citations, I both want and need them. Otherwise I know you're blowing smoke.
I still haven't seen any from you so by your own conclusion you are blowing smoke ;)

Someone has never worked with a Mainframe product from IBM it seems. ;) IBM was doing and selling virtualization products before VMWare.
And that someone is obviously you. IBM never ever created virtualisation because of virtualisation. IBM created a system where they could run several things simultaneously. In hindsight that was actually the very first piece of software that could be marked as virtualisation. However, it is quite different from what we now know as virtualisation and what VMware sort of invented. Again, this has nothing to do with the statement whatsoever as it was about the company that actually shaped the virtualisation market, not who was the first to use it/invented it. The way the entire virtualisation market works is based off of VMware's products.

Is there much of a difference between VMWare Fusion 3 and 4? Ive already got 3 so if it isnt much of an improvement Im not sure I would bother with this.
The differences are quite big. Fusion 4 is more geared towards Lion and comes with some additional features such as vm encryption (Filevault 2 for the vm simply put) and more performance enhancements.

Though I do think Typinator is really neat, particularly since I can use it to keep all my svn addresses stored in a short cut.
Why not use a repository tool like SourceTree and the like?

I wonder if PDFPen is upgradeable to PDFPen Pro via their website?
From what I've read you get a normal PDFpen license. After installation you'll be redirected to the PDFpen webpage where they notify you that you can upgrade to Pro for 40$. Sure looks like it will but I'd ask the manufacturer just to be sure!
 
Backing all of this up is a pain; Star Wars is about 25.1 GB and won't quite fit on a Blu-ray :(

Edit: I suppose I could put the compressed DMG on there directly, but it just seems silly to make a disk containing nothing but an image file!
 
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Got the bundle only to find out Forklift requires Lion :-(

Fusion is pretty cool, but my '09 quad MP can't play Tiberian Sun at native res (1920x1080), and that's a 1999 game. With Bootcamp on my '07 iMac it's no prob, but I guess virtualisation taxes your system a lot more.

Still trying to figure out Phone to Mac, how do I send mp3's from the computer to the iPhone?


The bundle seems good value, though.
 
...I understand your point but some people cannot afford to pay full prices for every software that they plan to use...

So, I think we DO have to explain this to you. If "some people" cannot afford to pay full price, then those people should do without that software. Plain and simple. Commercial software isn't a human right. It's a product. A for-profit product.

Why aren't you getting this? Do you think that people who can't afford software are entitled to it anyway?
 
I wonder if PDFPen is upgradeable to PDFPen Pro via their website?

I just bought the bundle (mostly for PDFPen), and will most likely upgrade to Pro in a weeks time (and can post back to let you know how it went). But out of curiosity I did go to the website and went through most of the steps to purchase the upgrade - it looked like it would've gone through.

Backing all of this up is a pain; Star Wars is about 25.1 GB and won't quite fit on a Blu-ray :(

Edit: I suppose I could put the compressed DMG on there directly, but it just seems silly to make a disk containing nothing but an image file!

Weirdly Im downloading the Starwars game now (using the provided GameAgent download manager) and its slightly under 12gb total for me. Wonder why your download is so large?
 
Weirdly Im downloading the Starwars game now (using the provided GameAgent download manager) and its slightly under 12gb total for me. Wonder why your download is so large?

Yeah I had a brainfart when I posted that; the image file is ~12 GB but the content of that image is about 25.1 GB. So it's possible to store the DMG files on a disk, just not to use the Burn Image functionality.
 
Got the bundle only to find out Forklift requires Lion :-(
From what I understood you get the newest beta with the bundle but you get a license that is valid for the current stable and the current beta. Have you tried the stable version from the Forklift website with the code you got?

Edit: tested it and it works fine here (2.0.8 runs on Lion too).
 
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I may go for this. I've never bought a bundle before so do I just register and then give the credit card details? Do they take visa gift cards?

There was a post from someone who said they were getting spam email after buying. Coincidence?
 
IBM never ever created virtualisation because of virtualisation. IBM created a system where they could run several things simultaneously. In hindsight that was actually the very first piece of software that could be marked as virtualisation. However, it is quite different from what we now know as virtualisation and what VMware sort of invented.

Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. :confused:

What you're trying to say -- but doing it poorly -- is that IBM, being primarily a hardware company, intended it's VM operating system to be used mostly for testing and internal purposes, rather than as a production server product, while VMware, being primarily a software company, sought to monetize virtualization by showing companies how they could use it to enhance the usefulness of their server hardware.

IBM created the technology, but VMware created the market.

IBM wrote the book on the technology, but VMware wrote the book on the market.
 
Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. :confused:
Probably because you are not into the early ages of computing. Most people never ever heard of a computer. IBM did and they had a great machine but the problem with that machine was that it could not do more than 1 thing at the same time. They wanted to do more things at the same time. And they finally nailed it. What they invented back then was only to make the machine do more than 1 thing at a time but when we look back and examine it closer IBM actually invented virtualisation. They simply didn't know it and never viewed it as such.

I have no idea what reply you've read but it sure isn't one in this thread. There isn't any reply from me or anybody else in this thread that is even saying what you are thinking I'm saying. That's the only thing that really doesn't make any sense at all.

IBM created the technology, but VMware created the market.

IBM wrote the book on the technology, but VMware wrote the book on the market.
That is a bit too simplistic though. The initial idea of virtualisation was invented by IBM but at that time it wasn't really seen as virtualisation. How we view virtualisation today is something companies like VMware have shaped. IBM opened the door for virtualisation, VMware and others took it from there and made it into what it is now. Primarily VMware. IBM never really went in the virtualisation business and made it big like VMware and others did/do.

Btw, the products from VMware and many others are not really comparable to what IBM invented. If you want to compare then you need to compare things like Jails from FreeBSD, Containers from Solaris and OpenVZ. Better known as system-level virtualisation.

Just done it. No problem upgrading to PDFPen Pro on the website from a version bought from the mupromo bundle.
Thanks for letting us know!
 
...the problem with that machine was that it could not do more than 1 thing at the same time. They wanted to do more things at the same time...

Dude, multi-tasking/multi-processing is a completely separate issue from virtualization. You're trying to equate IBM VM with the former, and it was way beyond that. IBM VM was about hardware and system-level virtualization, but because IBM was a hardware company first (like Apple), they never saw the larger value in it. It took a company like VMware to take it to the next level.
 

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