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Stealing is stealing

stealing an iMac is still stealing, stealing an apple from the grocery store is still stealing (like that play on words?) just because you can download a torrent with a password crack doesn't mean it's OK...

What you're doing by stealing software, movies, games, etc... you're saying the products you enjoy are not worth their price. That's fine, you're allowed to believe that. You're allowed your opinion; however, the price is there to pay the producers of that song, movie, software for their hard work, their time... Would you work for free? What ever you do, imagine if other people expected you to do it without compensation, that's essentially what stealing/pirating is - expecting these people to work for free. If we expect that, then we can expect our quality software, films, and music to go away...

When i buy an app for song from the app store or iTunes i know something like %30 of that goes to Apple, but the majority of my dollar goes to support those who create the media i enjoy.

I really enjoy playing the Mass Effect game series, and although i do not like some of EA's policies, i still want the designers, writers, and creators at Bioware to go home and be able to put food on their table.. so i'll gladly pay them for their software..

But all that, that's my opinion. Take it or leave it :)

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someone asked if you can put fusion on 2 Macs. I had Fusion3 and had it on two macs with one serial. I'm not sure what VMwares policy on it is, but i owned both macs and it allowed me to do use the same serial on both.Fusion4, i do not know, but considering it b/c Fusion3 on my mac doesn't seem to work with win7
 
Don't tell me you all here are buying all software that you use...i can put my money on bet that 99% of population here have some cracked software or ilegal copy of some program that you use on daily base..

How much are you willing to bet? I'll take you on. I could use the cash.

You're welcome to audit all of my computers, you will find that I am not running a single cracked or pirated piece of software. My copy of Adobe CS5.5 is totally paid for, as is Microsoft Office, all of my Windows licenses, and all of the little utilities I use.

Have I pirated software in the past? Certainly. Do I currently? Absolutely not.

Edit: glad to see so many other like-minded folks in this thread.
 
What does Fusion 4 have on VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/)?

It's kind of like "what does Photoshop have on Gimp". Both do essentially the same thing, but the support for VMWare (or Parallels) as a core line of business make it more polished. Better UIs, better "seamless integration" with the OS, boot camp integration, etc. Oracle has buckets of cash, but they make no money on Virtualbox so investment and commitment are presumably lower.
 
How much are you willing to bet? I'll take you on. I could use the cash.

You're welcome to audit all of my computers, you will find that I am not running a single cracked or pirated piece of software. My copy of Adobe CS5.5 is totally paid for, as is Microsoft Office, all of my Windows licenses, and all of the little utilities I use.

Have I pirated software in the past? Certainly. Do I currently? Absolutely not.

Edit: glad to see so many other like-minded folks in this thread.

How many movies did you downloaded and didn't pay, or music....If you have just one song that you didnt pay or one movie case is closed...

Why do I get a warning from moderators every time I comment on some fool with poor grammar? Do you receive these too? Just wondering.

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Get a job.
I have a job and you :)

I'm sure it sounds good despite jailbroken phones. I feel like buying these crappy apps for $50 bucks today. Read title ^

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How do you know he doesn't work? Probably has kids and sht.

This post just reminded me for all non piracy folks here...are you use jailbroken iPhones...if yes WHAT IS MAIN REASON for it :)
 
There is so much great, free software out there you don't need to spend money on "bundles".

I once got one of these, and since then I deleted one after the other because I didn't use it.

If you want software to run Windows, check out all the competitors, and then buy what is best or suits you best. That's the way to spend money: only buy what you really need and don't let yourself pull in.

PS: Someone who'd really spend $377 on all this software needed to have his head examined.
 
It probably does work. Even bridged networking is now so easy, a monkey could do it (and that frankly was their achilles heel in prior versions on alternative platforms. Setting it up in Linux was a pure nightmare, now it's a checkbox).

Since you didn't actually specify the need, I guess we'll never know.
Disadvantages to VirtualBox: problems with things like USB, lacking some features such as drag 'n dropping files, differences in the way cut/copy/paste works between guest OS and host OS, Oracle (very unclear future), un-OSX-like GUI, need to add iso/cd's/dvd's to a store before you are able to use them in a vm, 3d videocard performance is not always that good compared to the other 2 virtualisation apps, requires some time and skill to get things to work, no relation with Apple (VMware has which allows them to resolve some of the problems with OS X and thus create faster and more stable software), Fusion 4.1.0 can virtualise OS X clients from 10.5 to 10.7, Fusion is an app unlike VirtualBox and Parallels (meaning: not running Fusion means not running any of its processes and kexts), etc.

Trying to get something to work because it doesn't will cost you a lot more than 49.99$. You are actually wasting money with VirtualBox if you need it to do more than simply run Windows. If you want to interact with the vm, add usb devices, etc. than you'll run into problems. The competitors are better in this area. In other words: you get what you pay for ;)

Does anyone know if I can install VMWare on more than one of my Macs? I would like it on 2 of them.
Check out the license. The new one says you can install up to 5 Macs just like with any Mac App Store application.
 
Damn, looks like a good deal to me. What do you guys think of VMware compared to Parallels 7? because that will drive my decision to purchase this...
 
This post just reminded me for all non piracy folks here...are you use jailbroken iPhones...if yes WHAT IS MAIN REASON for it :)

Wow. How much longer will it take before the whole notion of jailbreaking being equivalent to piracy is gone?

I jailbroke my iPad, but I still buy a steady stream of iTunes gift cards. What did i get from jailbreaking? Retinapad and Firewall come to mind straightaway. The ability to do more than what Apple wants for the iPad is, as you put it, my main reason.

And I'll bet good money a bunch of other jailbreakers have made investments of their own as well..probably a lot more than me.
 
Disadvantages to VirtualBox: problems with things like USB

Haven't had any issues. Specifics ?

lacking some features such as drag 'n dropping files

Shared folders.

differences in the way cut/copy/paste works between guest OS and host OS

Haven't run into issues. Specifics ?

Oracle (very unclear future), un-OSX-like GUI

Retarded reasons to spend 50$. The GUI on Virtual Box is fine.

need to add iso/cd's/dvd's to a store before you are able to use them in a vm

Has been auto-adding them since the last few versions, it just pops up a "Choose your file" dialog now.

3d videocard performance is not always that good compared to the other 2 virtualisation apps

Citation needed, again, haven't run into any issues on my setup.

requires some time and skill to get things to work

Not any more than others (you can set it all up from the GUI using a Wizard and the default choices are all good).

Fusion 4.1.0 can virtualise OS X clients from 10.5 to 10.7, etc.

Not legally, and so can VirtualBox.

Trying to get something to work because it doesn't will cost you a lot more than 49.99$. You are actually wasting money with VirtualBox if you need it to do more than simply run Windows. If you want to interact with the vm, add usb devices, etc. than you'll run into problems. The competitors are better in this area. In other words: you get what you pay for ;)

I've had no issues interacting with my VMs in VirtualBox that I haven't had with VmWare or other products. So people just like paying for things that can be had for free it seems.
 
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sasasule said:
I am assuming that you are not referring to downloading whilst 'smoking some crack' and are referring instead to stealing software? However the ludicracy of your post suggested in fact you are perhaps doing both.

Next time we have another 'Evil DRM' discussion, please provide a link to this guy's post... :rolleyes:

Hmm not sure what did i told that 99% of population here not doing already.

Don't tell me you all here are buying all software that you use...i can put my money on bet that 99% of population here have some cracked software or ilegal copy of some program that you use on daily base..

And for crack comment

Crack or software cracking is the modification of software to remove or disable features which are considered undesirable by the person cracking the software, usually related to protection methods: copy protection, trial/demo version, serial number, hardware key, date checks, CD check or software annoyances like nag screens and adware.

If you read my complete post you will see that i even suggesting to buy software in order to support this forum, instead to just go on some pirate site like piratebay or warez and download all software for free....WITH the CRACK = KEYGEN etc,etc...

My appology if i was not clear enough... :)

You can add me to your tally of those who pay for all their apps and do not run any cracked or pirated apps.
 
Add me as never having, in my 25 years in IT, downloaded or used pirated software at work OR at home. Media is a different matter I used to download pirated movies for a short time, but I haven't done that now for years.

I have tried both VMWare and Parallels. I like Parallels a little bit more and use that for desktop. I can't say what I like more about it though. It seems a bit faster to me perhaps. Both work very well and are quite good.

Does anybody know anything about Drive Genius. I could use something that could repair disk problems. Disk Utility just doesn't cut it sometimes.
 
I have a copy of VMware fusion 2, and it doesn't work anymore after upgrading to lion, so this is tempting. But will fusion 4 add support for mountain lion, or will they just release a version 5 at full price?
 
Cannot tell this sorry lets say 30+ and working in server industry that have big mix with broadcasting companies...

That's fine, I don't need specifics, but if you're telling the truth, shouldn't most, if not all of the software mentioned be provided to you for free at your work if you're using it for work? If you work from home, the same should apply. If you're self-employed that's another story, but using pirated licenses to run a business is definitely not a smart idea.

Without knowing what it is you do, hypothetically speaking, what if I took whatever project/product you work on, stole it and continued using it as my own without any compensation on your part, then redistributed it to the mass because hey, not everybody can afford to compensate you for your work? I imagine you wouldn't like that very much.
 
That's fine, I don't need specifics, but if you're telling the truth, shouldn't most, if not all of the software mentioned be provided to you for free at your work if you're using it for work? If you work from home, the same should apply. If you're self-employed that's another story, but using pirated licenses to run a business is definitely not a smart idea.

Without knowing what it is you do, hypothetically speaking, what if I took whatever project/product you work on, stole it and continued using it as my own without any compensation on your part, then redistributed it to the mass because hey, not everybody can afford to compensate you for your work? I imagine you wouldn't like that very much.

Partialy you are right work will cover most of the cost but when you need to do test on new things then getting new software for fast testing is only dubale if you download from some torent, piratebay etc,etc...Example customer have some issue with lets say windows 2008 but you dont have that OS on hand...If you download trial version it dont support all features so you need original complete software to test something just so you can give 100% correct answer to customer....Are you gona pay for that 3000-4000EUR just to answer one question...No you will find download or you will loan OS from someone to fix this problem fast...then if problems repeait in future...you will invest in that peace of software...There is so many question that can be raised when you are in my field of buissines that you just cannot afford to buy every pcs of software that customer may use...As i mention before i am in server bussines (related to broadcasting, Cloud computing, storage etc etc) Testing is something that i do on daily base and having all software that i may need it will requier ******** of money...You may use it one time and never again...and as long as internet can alow you to get what you need for free it shouldnt be a problem...Main reason why everyone moves toward cloud is because of the control.

For other part i mostly need to cover myself for all home work...Problem is software get updates offten so it is hard to keep paste and pay for every single version that comes out...And customer dont give a flying *** they want all new and done on latest peace of software or else you lose work...and they go to competition...

i think we are moving way out of topic go buy bundle :)
 
Example customer have some issue with lets say windows 2008 but you dont have that OS on hand...If you download trial version it dont support all features so you need original complete software to test something just so you can give 100% correct answer to customer....Are you gona pay for that 3000-4000EUR just to answer one question...

This is exactly why TechNet and MSDN give you licenses to pretty much all Microsoft supported software. Same goes for Apple's programs for developers. Part of the cost of doing business. Microsoft also offers several other programs like Bizspark, etc... that can reduce your initial costs.

e.g. I can download a legitimate copy of Snow Leopard Server from http://developer.apple.com as part of my $99/year subscription.

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Whenever I try to create an account they tell me the captcha is wrong, no matter what I type into the box, does anybody else have this problem or is it just me?
 
Partialy you are right work will cover most of the cost but when you need to do test on new things then getting new software for fast testing is only dubale if you download from some torent, piratebay etc,etc...

Example customer have some issue with lets say windows 2008 but you dont have that OS on hand...

So your company provides system/infrastructure support, but doesn’t have test environments in place, or can’t simply invest in a little cloud space or some of subscription service like TechNet, for a low monthly cost?

...and clients come out of left field and your lack of preparation means you have to illegally download operating systems?

Come on dude, none of your explanation makes any sense from a technical or business perspective. It sounds like you want to own expensive Enterprise class software to play around with at home and simply don’t want to pay.

I can’ t imagine running a business where I have to rely on stealing software. I’m on my 3rd successful small business in the technology sector, and that’s never been the case. If you actually need something, that’s he cost of doing business, and hopefully you’ve assessed your potential revenue vs. your costs.

This post just reminded me for all non piracy folks here...are you use jailbroken iPhones...if yes WHAT IS MAIN REASON for it :)

:rolleyes:

To install some legally acquired Cydia apps like SBSettings. So yes, I can be anti-piracy _and_ have a JB’ed device.

Nobody I know who JBs their iOS devices does so to illegally download commercial App Store apps.
 
I've always been told that all the IT nerds use VM and it offers more nerdy tech options. I have never used either though just from several articles I have read is my source. If I had to install one I am leaning to parallels.

Not sure about more nerdy tech options, but the main useful feature is it being guaranteed to always play nice with the other VMware products and especially ESXi. Plus there is some cross over between their products, such as virtual disk formats and utilities. I actually run ESXi under Fusion on my Mac, it even detects ESXi correctly when you're installing it and configures accordingly.

Maybe Parallels is the better option for consumers, though VirtualBox is good as well. But for serious virtualisation I'd always go with VMware especially as they pretty much wrote the book on the subject.
 
Don't tell me you all here are buying all software that you use...i can put my money on bet that 99% of population here have some cracked software or ilegal copy of some program that you use on daily base..

Guess I'm within the 1% as well. Seems like many of us are... maybe it isn't 99% like you claim.
 
Not sure about more nerdy tech options, but the main useful feature is it being guaranteed to always play nice with the other VMware products and especially ESXi. Plus there is some cross over between their products, such as virtual disk formats and utilities. I actually run ESXi under Fusion on my Mac, it even detects ESXi correctly when you're installing it and configures accordingly.

Terrific info and answer.
 
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