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I had a poor experience with Drobo, but if a 4-5 bay TB enclosure is available for a reasonable (to me) price, I'd be willing to try it. I just can't justify what Promise wants for their Pegasus arrays.

I have four of the SansDigital (newegg page) eSATA PM array enclosures.

Quite effective, although unlike the Promise arrays there's no hardware RAID-5 - they're JBOD only.

Of course, with PM you're sharing the bandwidth of one SATA channel across 4 or 5 drives - but you're buying TB, not MB/sec with any PM solution.

Love to see a SansDigital 4 to 8 drive T-Bolt chassis - to me the WDC 1 or 2 drive enclosure seems like a waste of a daisy-chain slot. (Of course, I'd also love to see a T-Bolt PCIe card that I could add to my mini-tower - replacing the whole system to connect new disks is a non-starter.)
 
Cool... that means you're out then right? Good...
Nothing like getting rid of the skeptics.:D

Skeptics? Thunderbolt is almost a year old, and we have what? Three peripherals, none of which are close to mainstream affordable?

Facts are facts. Apple threw Thunderbolt on most of their Macs (supposedly) for the masses. I assume that means that it's meant to be used by everyone, not just those pro's that have a few thousand $$$ to throw at overpriced storage. Fact is, it's an overpriced interface. How much bandwidth does one expect out of a 1 or even 2 drive Thunderbolt box?

I frequent both sides of the fence (Windows and Mac) and big storage via eSATA and USB 3.0 is available on Best Buy shelves everywhere and is affordable yet Wunderbolt is where?

It's not being skeptical. There are plenty of frustrated Mac users yearning for something faster than the aged USB 2.0 and FW800. The reality is right in front of you if you take your Apple goggles off.
 
The next big thing in storage is the Petabyte (PB) and I'm sure the marketing types are going to go gaga calling it "a million billion bytes" which it is. My guess we will see that before 2020.

To quote the greasers of my father's generation, "You stop being cool when you care about being cool."


My guess at Peta-byte drives are at 2025-2027 based drives being approx 460 times larger now than they were 15 years ago. So based on that we should hit 1 petabyte in approx 13-15 years.
 
My guess at Peta-byte drives are at 2025-2027 based drives being approx 460 times larger now than they were 15 years ago. So based on that we should hit 1 petabyte in approx 13-15 years.

Sorry BoGG, I don't mean to shoot you down but your guess is a bit like saying "digital watches were invented X years ago so in another X years we'll be due a bit of time travel" i.e. rather pointless and based on no real understanding of what's just happened.

...I did apologise, but you walked straight into that one.
 
It's not being skeptical. There are plenty of frustrated Mac users yearning for something faster than the aged USB 2.0 and FW800. The reality is right in front of you if you take your Apple goggles off.

You are right we all wish USB 3 was already implemented but Apple wanted to wait for ivy bridge so it is all integrated. My personal opinion is that USB 3 is going to kill thunderbolt off unless prices for TB start dropping to a reasonable price. Ive already got a FW800/USB3 enclosure just waiting for the ivy bridge macs to come out, in the meantime its running on FW800.
 
Skeptics? Thunderbolt is almost a year old, and we have what? Three peripherals, none of which are close to mainstream affordable?

Facts are facts. Apple threw Thunderbolt on most of their Macs (supposedly) for the masses. I assume that means that it's meant to be used by everyone, not just those pro's that have a few thousand $$$ to throw at overpriced storage. Fact is, it's an overpriced interface. How much bandwidth does one expect out of a 1 or even 2 drive Thunderbolt box?

I frequent both sides of the fence (Windows and Mac) and big storage via eSATA and USB 3.0 is available on Best Buy shelves everywhere and is affordable yet Wunderbolt is where?

It's not being skeptical. There are plenty of frustrated Mac users yearning for something faster than the aged USB 2.0 and FW800. The reality is right in front of you if you take your Apple goggles off.
Cutting edge cost you... so what! I guess go get a better job then and quit ranking on people who can.
Universal Audio just released a killer TB product in the Apollo, so your full of it. By the way, I just bought one! Am I "stupid" because I had the $$ to buy one? if you want cheap just go build a hack and shutup!
Would you go up to Hells Angel members and tell them, "hey man, you spent way too much on your bikes, you should have got a kawasaki man" I'm sure you don't because your a chicken... don't WORRY about what people can, or can't afford.. just worry about YOURSELF.
Macs have NEVER been the ghetto machine he he...

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You are right we all wish USB 3 was already implemented but Apple wanted to wait for ivy bridge so it is all integrated. My personal opinion is that USB 3 is going to kill thunderbolt off unless prices for TB start dropping to a reasonable price. Ive already got a FW800/USB3 enclosure just waiting for the ivy bridge macs to come out, in the meantime its running on FW800.

If you need the speed TB gives over USB3 then you'll pay for it because time is $$!
It's ALL relative really.
 
*sigh* where the heck are the Thunderbolt to eSATA adapters!? I've already GOT a bloomin' RAID array...
 
If this configuration is a RAID array, what happens when you plug in a different variety of disks?

The details aren't posted but it is highly likely that each of these enclosures present to the Mac as a single 6TB disk ( are in RAID-0 mode). Then for the demo they use Disk Utility to create a software RAID on top of that to get RAID spanning ( stripe width 4 over 6TB disks ) across the enclosures.
WD could have changed/updated the "Drive Manager" software to do the spanning across boxes but it would been simplier and cheaper to just let Disk Utility do it.


In other words, each of these disks present independently. So if you add another disk, it too will present as independent. There is software on the mac gluing those disks together into one big virtual volume.

I seriously doubt the RAID controller in one of those boxes is accessing drives in other boxes to present as a larger volume straight from that single box.

A more reasonable demo would have been a 12TB RAID 10 set up. It is still a relatively huge amount of storage and has more resiliency. However, the demo is geared to peg that "read" dial in the red zone.

After setup, does that mean you can now only use the 4 drives together?

Permanently? No. If you reformat them you can use them for other purposes. If you mean can you just remove disks from a RAID-0 set up and used regularly. No. But that isn't unique to these specific enclosures.

Even if they had been set up as a RAID-SPAN configuration you can generally rip drives out of the config and just use as a regularly volume. There are parts of the file system missing.

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*sigh* where the heck are the Thunderbolt to eSATA adapters!? I've already GOT a bloomin' RAID array...

You mean like this story posted to MacRumors several weeks ago?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1305703/

http://www.cnet.com/8301-17914_1-57354003-89/lacie-turns-thunderbolt-budget-friendly-with-esata-hub/

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My personal opinion is that USB 3 is going to kill thunderbolt off unless prices for TB start dropping to a reasonable price. Ive already got a FW800/USB3 enclosure just waiting for the ivy bridge macs to come out, in the meantime its running on FW800.

USB 3.0 didn't kill off the FW800 on your enclosure. It is unlikely to kill off Thunderbolt. USB 3.0 and TB are aimed at overlapping markets. Most of the overlap is outside the intersection between the two. It isn't going to "kill off" TB. Neither is TB going to "kill off" USB 3.0. They both are going to be on systems.

USB 3.0 peripherals will probably have a lower average selling price and be much more numerous. TB peripherals will have a higher average selling price and be "large enough to be a viable market".

eSATA and FW are at much better threat by the combination of those two. USB 3.0 from "below" and TB from "above" to shrink their share of the market over time. Those two largerly fit inside that intersection.

TB will also eat into the 4x (and smaller) discrete PCI-e card market. [not a big deal for those vendors since the guts of the cards can just be repackaged as a higher priced TB devices. ]
 
USB 3.0 didn't kill off the FW800 on your enclosure. It is unlikely to kill off Thunderbolt. USB 3.0 and TB are aimed at overlapping markets. Most of the overlap is outside the intersection between the two. It isn't going to "kill off" TB. Neither is TB going to "kill off" USB 3.0. They both are going to be on systems.

Well that is the thing, a few months after i got the enclosure, the website i got it off stopped selling alot of the FW800 enclosures and is mostly selling the usb3 ones now. TB is alot more expensive then FW aswell as it is a true I/0 connection. I guess professionals may start using it but with usb3 speeds at 5Gb/s why would your average consumer purchase TB over usb3?
 
TB is alot more expensive then FW aswell as it is a true I/0 connection. I guess professionals may start using it but with usb3 speeds at 5Gb/s why would your average consumer purchase TB over usb3?

TB starts to pay off when starts to consolidate wires. One TB docking station that eliminates 2-3 cables coming into the consumers box (three $20 cables cost more than one $50 cable). Using it for single (or even dual ) disks isn't really its strong suit. As a potential industry standard docking station connector ( diverse data aggregation ) it has advantages over USB 3.0.

When optical TB arrives it will also have a length advantage. Some audio folks ran 10-40 meter Firewire connections (e.g., from on stage to off stage computers). USB 3.0 isn't going to do that. TB over copper wires isn't either, but at least there is potential.

TB will come down in costs somewhat but it isn't going to ever drop as low as USB 3.0. You'll get similar situation as with FW vs. USB. It (FW/TB) does more, but you pay more. For some people it is worth increased cost and others it is not.
 
I will wait to see if that have that "WD Smartware" partition that automatically appears on your computer. I bought one drive with it, and it was hell to actually install the firmware update to delete it, then wd's newest version of smart ware that actually worked to turn it off. After that I still had to go in the library files and delete the files that were messing with my USB hard drive and Firewire icons.

Now that I cleaned everything up the drive I have works well, but I vowed to never buy a drive with this crapware in place. I hope WD will not include it in this model.
 
Sorry BoGG, I don't mean to shoot you down but your guess is a bit like saying "digital watches were invented X years ago so in another X years we'll be due a bit of time travel" i.e. rather pointless and based on no real understanding of what's just happened.

...I did apologise, but you walked straight into that one.

Sure, We'll see in 10-15 years time. I'm guessing petabyte-drives around 2025-2027. If I would guess at an "unplausible early entry" on the market for a 1PB drive, it would be 2021 at the earliest. Note that I'm then only counting "normal" hard drives, not some 10-platter monster made more for show than normal use.

Keep me in some kind a memory so you can nag me about this when there's finally ever a 1PB drive on the consumer market, if I'm dead off (that is more than +/- 2 years or so). I'll buy you lunch (the plane ticket to and from Sweden you'll have to buy yourself though) ;)
 
You are right we all wish USB 3 was already implemented but Apple wanted to wait for ivy bridge so it is all integrated. My personal opinion is that USB 3 is going to kill thunderbolt off unless prices for TB start dropping to a reasonable price. Ive already got a FW800/USB3 enclosure just waiting for the ivy bridge macs to come out, in the meantime its running on FW800.

Out of curiosity, where did you actually bought a UBS3-FW800 enclosure? It seems like the best of both worlds in currently-supported technology.
 
I have a 2011 Mac mini that is currently driving dual monitors:
HDMI port -> DVI adapter -> Monitor
Thunderbolt port -> DVI adapter -> Monitor

If I purchase one of these would I be able to go:
Thunderbolt port -> MyBook Thunderbolt Duo -> DVI adapter -> Monitor

???

Don't waste your money. Get a 240 or 120Gb Vertex 3/Agility 3 as an second internal drive. Just one of them achieves 550Mb/s on a Sata 6Gb/s interface. You'd likely still have enough change off the cost of one of these drives to invest in 16Gb of RAM for it too. A fast system drive and as much RAM as you're system can handle does wonders for your system's performance.
 
@torana355: thanks, but I fear shipping fees may be enormous to here in Canada. Besides, even AUS$195 seems very expensive. Actually, the drive I'd put in there would be half that price.
 
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