You might have a problem if the first intel computers have a lot of hidden bugs.berkleeboy210 said:
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While I still always see the logic in this argument, I don't agree with it. Why would Apple want to update iBooks which would then almost certainly push close, (if not better), than the current PowerBook specs before updating the PowerBooks significantly again? It's bad enough at the moment when people realise that the differences between the two 12" models are barely worth the extra £400, never mind potentially updating the 12" iBook, (or 13.3" WS), and maybe even lowering the price. What would we have then? Perhaps a £450 price difference and near equal specs? I don't buy it, Apple surely wouldn't do this. The PowerBook has always been given the new technology before the iBook.VanNess said:
Unless they decide to merge the two and release a full range next week, I still say "PowerBooks Next Tuesday".
Get over it.
Seriously though, get over it. I think Jobs as more important things to work on then making sure you save your 2 seconds. Just let it go man or buy some other MP3 player.
bankshot said:I can honestly say I don't care one bit about possible new products this year. All I want is a gapless iPod, and we all know that isn't happening.
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Seriously though, get over it. I think Jobs as more important things to work on then making sure you save your 2 seconds. Just let it go man or buy some other MP3 player.
question, when will the apple stores have the intel macs if they are announced. thanks in advance
I don't think there is any way of knowing. Sometimes they will be there in a few days, or using the Quad as an example, over a month. (I think it was that long, I might be a little off)SakeBalboa said:
ktb53 said:
Sheesh. Kind of rude, don't you think? Last time I checked, members of this site were allowed to state their feelings, even if those were against the majority. Maybe I was wrong??
I didn't even want to drag that point into this discussion - it was simply a side remark to explain why I'm not feeling particularly jazzed about new products this year. It also happened to be relevant to the linked article talking about Steve's perfectionism, which was the main thrust of my comment. Was that not allowed here?
Seriously, it's this type of reaction that has me spending less time at this site lately. Anything talking about how Apple should improve a product is seen as complaining or whining, and gets a negative reaction here. Maybe some of it is, but it sure would be nice to be able to merely mention such things as part of a mature discussion, without fear of rude dismissal.
Often I've thought that a sidenote about my favorite iPod issue was relevant to the discussion, not as a complaint or whine but simply as a note, but I got jumped all over because of it anyway. If you're tired of hearing about something, it's easy to ignore. I do that all the time when subtopics come up in a discussion that I'm not particularly interested in. Or if you hate it because it's anti-Apple, then I can only suggest that you open your mind a bit.
For what it's worth, it's not about saving time, it's simply about correctness. It's important to me, and if Jobs is the perfectionist that everyone says he is (like in the article about the keynote preparation), then he should care too. I will not "get over it" until Apple fixes the problem or a competitor releases a better product that does (no such thing exists).
Sorry if that annoys you -- perhaps you just need to, umm, get over it.
berkleeboy210 said:
Birds of a feather...
people from great places have twice the voice. *hee hee*At the risk of repeating what you said, I also think that come tuesday something big is coming from Apple.
People are talking about the new technology that M$ is trying exploit but we all know Bill was the opening act and everyone is waiting for the real headliner Mr. Jobs. 
XDDD Sorry about that. I shouldn't have accepted that quote as truth, I was... didn't mean to be incorrect, XD Sorry.SiliconAddict said:
VanNess said:
The first 17" PowerBook came out at MWSF and as has been stated before there is a good possibility that even in emulation under Rosetta PPC apps could be faster then on the PPC PowerBook....that is how anemic the PowerBook line is. Its not sad. . . Its pathetic. Sorry to be harsh but its truth.
Wait times
Hey... for the new Mac Mini... and the ilife 6 , what do you think the wait time will be for shipping of these items.
getting impatient here
Hey... for the new Mac Mini... and the ilife 6 , what do you think the wait time will be for shipping of these items.
getting impatient here
Speaking of which, does anyone think that Apple will have trackpad buttons on their new laptops to relfect their change in policy toward mice (a la Mighty Mouse)?sehix said:
Powerbook Intel Wishlist
1. Speedy Processors
2. Dual Button Trackpad
3. SATA disk drive
4. 1GB standard RAM
5. Better Video card
6. Lighted keyboard for everyone
7. More USB ports
8. True 5 hour battery life
blakbyrd said:Speaking of which, does anyone think that Apple will have trackpad buttons on their new laptops to relfect their change in policy toward mice (a la Mighty Mouse)?
1. Speedy Processors
2. Dual Button Trackpad
3. SATA disk drive
4. 1GB standard RAM
5. Better Video card
6. Lighted keyboard for everyone
7. More USB ports
8. True 5 hour battery life
Sorry, but I don't really think... You can scroll by using 2 fingers on the touchpad on the laptops (maybe not iBooks, but I know Powerbooks), and that's perfectly fine. We also don't really need a right-click or any of that junkblakbyrd said:Speaking of which, does anyone think that Apple will have trackpad buttons on their new laptops to relfect their change in policy toward mice (a la Mighty Mouse)?
on the laptops in my opinion. I think it would just ruin a part of the simple design.I know I could not have lived on my new iMac w/o a Mighty Mouse/mouse w/ scroll wheel. I had gotten so used to easily scrolling on my Powerbook....which it really is, easy, you probably already knew that you could do that though?
Haha, ambitious, ambitious, ambitious.LHEAT said:By this day NEXT YEAR, I will be running VISTA and LEOPARD (AT THE SAME TIME) at full speed, with what I'm buying hopefully next week.
Meh,
I hope so too!! Um... but not sure if I'll be buying what comes out next week... agh. Hard to decide.
Agh, I'll wait and see what happens.
SiliconAddict said:
Well, technically, anything is possible I suppose, but it's awfully hard to imagine that the same company that completed two previous large-scale technology transitions, that outlined a very methodical, strategic, sensible plan for this particular transition, would suddenly throw it all away just so they could rush to show off new intel-based Powerbooks next week at Macworld.
It's not that Powerbooks don't need updating, they do. But I think Apple's pro customers are a little more particular than the consumer base. Not only the hardware aspect, but also software. I'm sure Apple has used the time since last year's WWDC to tweak Rosetta, and I'm sure it will perform amazingly well by the time it ends up in the customer's hands. But for pro customers, emulation will never be enough, certainly not for mission critical apps. Even if apps run by Rosetta where to somehow outperform present PPC hardware on Intel based machines, the fact that those apps would run faster if they were native Intel is going to be a big pill to swallow. Especially if those apps are available, natively, on Wintel hardware.
Apple pretty much has most of the important consumer software covered itself, and consumers aren't going to evaluate software in the manner that business IT shops do. So Apple has a little bit of wiggle room there. Still it wouldn't surprise me if only the Mini, reinvented as some sort of Intel based multimedia box, is the only intel-based Mac to bow at Macworld this time. iBooks are definite maybe, with Apple, up until now, not giving even a single clue what to expect for it's notebook hardware plans. But at this time, I think upgrading the rest of the line-up is more than a little premature.
The guy who used to run NeXT Computers probably said it best: "It took us three years to build the NeXT computer. If we'd given customers what they said they wanted, we'd have built a computer they'd have been happy with a year after we spoke to them - not something they'd want now."
steve_hill4 said:
Well, imo, because Apple apparently will have a fairly complete picture for an initial roll-out of consumer class machine(s) next week, largely helped by the fact that Apple produces most of the top tier consumer software (iLife, and other apps included with OS X) itself. So the odds are reduced that a buyer will be disadvantaged to any discernible degree by apps that haven't as of yet moved to dual binary builds. Rosetta should be able to handle anything leftover in the average consumer's personal software collection that are PPC-based, as it's unlikely they have anything that demanding, especially if it was running ok on a iBook or Mini. For non-upgraders, by the time they finish just being dazzled by OS X, everything else on the Mac platform will have rolled to dual binaries by then
If the performance of an intel-based iBook is that dramatic that it approaches or eclipses present PPC-based Powerbook hardware, and software isn't that much of an issue, I'm sure Apple will gladly take your money if your not willing to wait a few months more for Intel-based Powerbooks.
But really, at this point who knows? Maybe Apple might even drop the iBook/Powerbook scheme altogether and decide that one Intel-based notebook design will rule all, with a few feature/performance variations and respective price points. It's still all guesswork, very much up in the air right now as it was last June...at least until this Monday - maybe
steve_hill4 said:
That's only in the time where Apple has run two sperate Notebook lines, which is for the last six years (sorry can't be f*cked looking up how long there have been iBooks for). When have Apple ever held to a tradition? Apple have shown they have the ability to be a mass market consumer oriented brand, bringing out the first intel machines in their consumer line just proves this. iBook sales outstrip those of the Powerbook and the iBook is the notebook most iPod users would be purchasing. Apple are using the halo force to gain marketshare and good on them!
VanNess said:
Good point. All this sober analysis has me starting to think that a Plasma-Viiv-OSX box is highly unlikely. BUT I do get the feeling something is brewing...a story about Googles move into video on demand made it to the news (Australia). Once I start seeing mainstream (unwashed masses) news talking about this stuff it makes me think that something is up. Ignoring that Mr. Jobs can come up with (and hopefully will) something totally from leftfield.
amateurmacfreak said:
I've heard of it, but I've an old iBook, not a Powerbook. I was thinking they could at least put a scrollball on their somewhere.
add, don't replace
Don't replace the PPC PowerBook with the Intel, but add the Intel PowerBook to the lineup alongside the PPC.
Not forever, but 6 months to a year until the major pro apps are Intel-native.
This would put more pressure on the third parties to get their fat binary ports, and avoid suddenly cutting off the people who still need PPC software.
Also, don't you think that a lot of consumers buy PowerBooks? Some like aluminum, others hate white plastic, and some can't use an iBook because it is crippled for market segmentation (no PC Card slot, for example).
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Same argument (add an Intel alongside the PPC) is even stronger for the PowerMac market.
Apple could make a dual or quad-core PowerMacIntel at any time, using P4 chips. Definitely a transition machine (but then, isn't Yonah a gap-filler while waiting for Merom?), but good for early adopters. Good for developers - how are you going to test and tune for quad-core PowerMacIntels on the DTK?
And what better way to get the apps ported to Intel than to have customers demanding the ports.
The current "PowerMacIntel by WWDC'07" assumption isn't putting much pressure on the third parties.
This would be a good time for Apple to break another tradition of the second Jobs reign.VanNess said:
Don't replace the PPC PowerBook with the Intel, but add the Intel PowerBook to the lineup alongside the PPC.
Not forever, but 6 months to a year until the major pro apps are Intel-native.
This would put more pressure on the third parties to get their fat binary ports, and avoid suddenly cutting off the people who still need PPC software.
Also, don't you think that a lot of consumers buy PowerBooks? Some like aluminum, others hate white plastic, and some can't use an iBook because it is crippled for market segmentation (no PC Card slot, for example).
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Same argument (add an Intel alongside the PPC) is even stronger for the PowerMac market.
Apple could make a dual or quad-core PowerMacIntel at any time, using P4 chips. Definitely a transition machine (but then, isn't Yonah a gap-filler while waiting for Merom?), but good for early adopters. Good for developers - how are you going to test and tune for quad-core PowerMacIntels on the DTK?
And what better way to get the apps ported to Intel than to have customers demanding the ports.
The current "PowerMacIntel by WWDC'07" assumption isn't putting much pressure on the third parties.