Macworld San Francisco 2007 Rumor Wrapup: Winners and Losers

[fixyourthinking]

iPhone

To be fair, Apple deliberately spread false information to defuse such efforts.

To be fair to some wrong prognosticators ... there were 3 REAL prototypes floating around. I managed to see all 3 in the August-November 2006 timeframe. One did have a touchpad and a 2.2" screen and no buttons. One did have a slide out keyboard and no touch pad and one looked similar to the final release. The same person had each prototype.

I think of all the most accurate rumors Slashphone actually had the best scoop ... a photograph with a (close to actual pic) and the word iPhone on it.

I really think Macrumors deserves the most credit though for presenting all the various sides to this rumor.

 

[Rojo]

This article said someone refers to cool future products for the "lite" OS-X in the new iPhone. Has anyone considered smart TV's that have the apple TV built into them and an OS?

You know, before, I really didn't think this would be something Apple would do. But now, with the company name change that de-emphasizes "Computer," it really seems like ANYTHING is possible, doesn't it?

 

[matthiasgoodman]

I'm hoping that we will get at least iLife included with Leopard, but I don't think that it is likely.

I think a lot of people forget that at the WWDC Steve said that Leopard would include all of their apps (I think he meant the same ones that come with a computer, ie iLife). Why does everyone forget so quickly? I never hear anyone mention this.

 

[SciTeach]

I think a lot of people forget that at the WWDC Steve said that Leopard would include all of their apps (I think he meant the same ones that come with a computer, ie iLife). Why does everyone forget so quickly? I never hear anyone mention this.

I remembered that statement also, but I wasn't thinking about iLife/iWork. More along the lines of their usual apps (PhotoBooth, iTunes, iPhoto, etc). That would be cool if Apple did that. UPGRADE!!!!

 

[fixyourthinking]

I think a lot of people forget that at the WWDC Steve said that Leopard would include all of their apps (I think he meant the same ones that come with a computer, ie iLife). Why does everyone forget so quickly? I never hear anyone mention this.

The full installs of Panther came with iLife 05 ... Tiger omitted the iLife apps ... I imagine we will see the "return of iApps inclusion" with Leopard if not to make it more compelling for upgraders to purchase it and installers to have updated versions of the Apps that are compatible.

Just as 10.3 was A HUGE step from 10.2 - Leopard is a HUGE step from 10.4

 

[Chundles]

The full installs of Panther came with iLife 05 ... Tiger omitted the iLife apps ... I imagine we will see the "return of iApps inclusion" with Leopard if not to make it more compelling for upgraders to purchase it and installers to have updated versions of the Apps that are compatible.

Just as 10.3 was A HUGE step from 10.2 - Leopard is a HUGE step from 10.4

The full installs of Panther DID NOT include iLife 05. The pre-installed software discs that come with a new Mac include iLife but you do not get iLife with OSX, you never have and you never will. Panther came out before iLife '04, let alone iLife '05.

The apps to be bundled with Leopard that Jobs was referring to are Photo Booth (with an expanded range of compatible cameras), Front Row and Boot Camp.

The iLife suite is not now nor ever has been, bundled with the OS. With a new Mac yes, but never as a part of a boxed OSX purchase.

 

[matthiasgoodman]

The full installs of Panther DID NOT include iLife 05. The pre-installed software discs that come with a new Mac include iLife but you do not get iLife with OSX, you never have and you never will. Panther came out before iLife '04, let alone iLife '05.

The apps to be bundled with Leopard that Jobs was referring to are Photo Booth (with an expanded range of compatible cameras), Front Row and Boot Camp.

The iLife suite is not now nor ever has been, bundled with the OS. With a new Mac yes, but never as a part of a boxed OSX purchase.

I do remember having iPhoto on the Panther disks, but it was an outdated (even at that time) version.

 

[Clive At Five]

Prior to MWSF 2007, the iPhone rumor was likely the longest running Apple rumor that had yet to come true.

PowerBook G5... need I say more?

It'll come... someone will jimmy it into a laptop or something...

-Clive

 

[Ti_Poussin]

I do remember having iPhoto on the Panther disks, but it was an outdated (even at that time) version.

It was a free download at the time. iLife should be a free upgrade with OS X IMO. That would push more people to buy the new OS X version and ensure that the iLife is running on the latest OS, less problem and less time for the developper by the same time.

my 2 cents.

 

[Porchland]

Me thinks they're going to use this "light" version of OS X to power the next iPod(s).

It will do everything the iPhone can do as far as the iPod functions on the iPhone go. Now that would be cool. That would actually get me to upgrade from my 3G iPod.

AppleInsider is reporting that a Beatles announcement will be coming by Valentine's Day, so I wouldn't be too surprised to see some kind of iPod refresh.

It was a free download at the time. iLife should be a free upgrade with OS X IMO. That would push more people to buy the new OS X version and ensure that the iLife is running on the latest OS, less problem and less time for the developper by the same time.

my 2 cents.

I would be surprised to see Apple start giving away for free what they've charged $79 in the past.

If you buy a new computer, you get the new iLife. That's where Apple puts the incentive.

 

[tk421]

Me thinks they're going to use this "light" version of OS X to power the next iPod(s).

It will do everything the iPhone can do as far as the iPod functions on the iPhone go. Now that would be cool. That would actually get me to upgrade from my 3G iPod.

Agreed. I'd love a device with just the iPhone's iPod functions. I don't need a cell phone or a camera, but I do want more than 8GB storage. Hence a hard-drive-based iPod with a larger touch screen and OS X.

 

[SciTeach]

PowerBook G5... need I say more?

It'll come... someone will jimmy it into a laptop or something...

I thought everyone's New Years' Resolution was to quit mentioning that....

 

[Digital Skunk]

I Don't Mind Paying

I don't mind paying the $79 for iLife and iWork. Compare those prices to what others charge like the student version of Office. That is $150 and the only other thing that you get is Entourage... which I don't use. I only use Word and PowerPoint. Keynote beats the snuff out of PowerPoint and Pages is much better for word processing AND graphics than Word will ever be.

As for iLife.. All of the apps are much better than the comp. I haven't seen an app like iPhoto in the "other" world. Corel, Adobe, and Jasc all have that.. "We don't really care about how well it works, or how well it looks, we just want our customers to have something," feel to it.

I will pay the bucks. I just won't pay for minor updates. I have the first iWork, didn't get 06 version. Didn't change much. I hope the 07 version is on FIRE!

Same with iLife. I may not buy this years version of iLife if it isn't that much difference from the 06 version. And I don't use many of the apps, except iPhoto to do personal photo stuff.

We will see.

 

[rtdunham]

So is it true that this Keynote had a much larger VIP Keynote section?

I'm not privy to head counts, but here's anecdotal evidence that that's true: my brother had a special pass...one step down from press/VIP passes, I think...that cost about a grand...and by the time his line was allowed to enter--before those of us in the traditional queue forming outside--he was halfway back in the hall. And the hall had a capacity of 5,000, according to staffers i spoke to, compared to 3,000 last year.

(I'm less sure of this observation, but i THINK everyone in line was fitted into the hall for the keynote)

 

[Daringescape]

Itunes is technically part of iLife, isnt it? Maybe thats the delay, along with Leopard.

I think we will see a big change to itunes because of the iPhone - maybe even a name change. itunes looks like it is becoming a major hub and will need some major updating. Of course I could be waaayyy wrong too.

 

[JosephKr]

A small but (possibly) significant legal point

I don't know how many people picked up on this, but if Apple registered "iphone.org" back in 1999, where were Cisco's lawyers back then?

 

[bretm]

I don't know how many people picked up on this, but if Apple registered "iphone.org" back in 1999, where were Cisco's lawyers back then?

Registering a domain name gives you no legal rights to anything. It's a domain name. That's it. It costs $5 or less to register a domain name.

If YOU had thought to register the domain iphone.org at the time you could have done so. It would've taken you about 5 minutes.

 

[TheBobcat]

I don't know guys, $79 for iLife is kind of a rip I think. I mean, iTunes is free, but iPhoto, iWeb, GarageBand and iMovie/iDVD...Windows now includes equivilents for free, why shouldn't Apple? Or at least offer a bundle with a little savings.

 

[fixyourthinking]

The full installs of Panther DID NOT include iLife 05. The pre-installed software discs that come with a new Mac include iLife but you do not get iLife with OSX, you never have and you never will. Panther came out before iLife '04, let alone iLife '05.

The apps to be bundled with Leopard that Jobs was referring to are Photo Booth (with an expanded range of compatible cameras), Front Row and Boot Camp.

The iLife suite is not now nor ever has been, bundled with the OS. With a new Mac yes, but never as a part of a boxed OSX purchase.

Yes they were ... I checked my 4 disc CD install before making that statement. It may not have been on the initial retail release CDs but it was on later discs. iMovie, iPhoto, iTunes, and I think iDVD.

Registering a domain name gives you no legal rights to anything. It's a domain name. That's it. It costs $5 or less to register a domain name.

If YOU had thought to register the domain iphone.org at the time you could have done so. It would've taken you about 5 minutes.

Apple could have legitimately sold a thing called the iPhone in 1999, whereas Cisco did NOT own a consumer brand (they did not yet own Linksys who actually held the iPhone name - which they themselves acquired in 1999 from a company called Infogear which had registered the name in 1997)

You have 6 years to prove a patent at market ... if you don't you lose the name and the patent!

Actually there IS A POINT there. Cisco admitted themselves that Apple has been discussing this with them for a very long time. It has now been discovered that Cisco FAKED USPTO "proof of marketed concept" submissions.

 

[longofest]

I think that the "jaw-dropping" product to be released in 2008 will be an iPhone with video conferencing capabilities.

Beam me up, Scotty!

That's been mentioned by LoopRumors, but I am forever skeptical of such claims. Videoconferencing requires on-the-fly encoding as well as decoding of audio and video. I don't know of any mobile-capable H.264 encoding chips, especially ones that could compress the video to a point that it could travel over a 2.5G or even 3G network.

EDIT: nevermind... http://www.mobilygen.com/pdf_files/Mobilygen_MG1264_200508.pdf

still have to deal with network bandwidth, but at least I have found one chip that can do it (and if this company can do it, others could too...)

 

[bretm]

I don't know guys, $79 for iLife is kind of a rip I think. I mean, iTunes is free, but iPhoto, iWeb, GarageBand and iMovie/iDVD...Windows now includes equivilents for free, why shouldn't Apple? Or at least offer a bundle with a little savings.

Please specify the Windows Equivalents to those applications. Good luck.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Cheap Knockoffs

I don't know guys, $79 for iLife is kind of a rip I think. I mean, iTunes is free, but iPhoto, iWeb, GarageBand and iMovie/iDVD...Windows now includes equivilents for free, why shouldn't Apple? Or at least offer a bundle with a little savings.

Those apps are pure crap.... trust me... anyone that tells you different has no idea what they may be missing and is probably an arrogance pompous air bag. Really. When PC lover try comparing iLife with free apps on Windows machines they are usually dreaming. NOT SAYNG THAT you are Bobcat....

Really though... there is nothing on the PC market that compares to GarageBand iMovie iDVD iPhoto and iWeb working seamlessly together... at the price tag of $79... all made by ONE company and not different ones (so only one customer service number) That's why the apps are a great deal... and it's just $79 bucks is that really expensive... most people pay more for their cellphone bills.

 

[JosephKr]

Thanks to AdZoox a little further up the chain for validating my point. Not knowing the exact dates when the registration and the acquisition occurred, I assumed that the latter preceded the former.

At worst it would have brought up my question. At best it proves that Apple was first to "market" with the name.

Since subsequent discoveries have noted anomalies with various documents and submissions, I believe that this puts Apple in a very strong position.

 

[Porchland]

I also think that iLife apps are going to be Leopard only.

I could see that as a strategy for promoting Leopard, but I haven't heard any killer-app features rumored for iLife/iWork (or Leopard for that matter) that would make iLife/iWork difficult to run on Tiger.

 

[JosephKr]

"jawdroppers" and other devices

If I was a betting man, I'd say that the folks at R.I.M. and like companies ought to be extremely nervous right now, because 2008 (or maybe sooner) might indicate the timeframe when the handwriting could be on the wall for them......or somewhere else.....pun intended!