MagSafe is the worst thing Apple has made maybe ever

[MBAir2010]

Just in case you drop your phone in the ocean.

Or a gulf

 

[ksj1]

What I have found is that my 12 pro max refuses to charge on a standard Qi charger if I have used it with a magsafe case. Works fine if I restart without the case, but put a magsafe case on and standard Qi charging no longer works. My truck has a slot for Qi charging that works great with a 11 pro max in a case, and works with a bare 12 pro max, once I restart it. But, like all my other Qi chargers, if I put it in a Apple magsafe case it will not charge until the magsafe case is removed and the is phone restarted. I have no plans to buy a new truck, so I'm pretty unhappy about this.

If anyone finds a nice leather case without magsafe for a 12 pro max let me know. Nomad made one, but they are out of stock and it looks like they are moving the magsafe compatible when they do have stock.

 

[toke lahti]

next iPhone will have no ports and will be 50m water resistant

In the mean time, there has been no advancement in iPads' water resistance at all. It's on par with an iPhone 5...

 

[atomic.flip]

I'm sorry, I've tried to love this product, and then I even tried to just like it, but its just absolutely terrible. Apple has effectively ruined wireless charging in their new devices all in the name of keeping things proprietary for them to keep the cash rolling in. Its is such a poorly done product that makes absolutely zero sense outside of Apple screwing over both the consumer, and manufacturers of Qi charging products.

I watched an interesting video on YouTube (SnazzyLabs) who theorized that Apple made MagSafe because they refuse to comply with the EU's new law that states that all manufacturers must now use the same chargers (USB-C). Apple will be forced after this year to make all of their phones with a standard USB-C charging cable. Well that would be a huge loss of income for Apple due to the fact that the lightning cable and 3rd party MFI (Made for iPhone) lightning cables is a billion dollar industry. Apple makes $4 for every single lightning cable sold in the world with the MFI logo on them. That is a massive amount of money lost if they had to comply to this new law in Europe. So to get around this law, they are going to make a portless phone that only charges with Magsafe next year. 3rd party Manufacturers will have to comply to Apple's standards and have the MFI logo put on any MagSafe alternatives to wirelessly charging, which keeps the cash in Apple's hands. I realize this is a business but they are forcing manufacturers to comply to a new standard of wireless charging while also making us as the consumer buy new wireless chargers if we want to get the full benefit out of them.

The other reason I hate Magsafe is that its crippled all of my other wireless chargers. Apple purposely made its new iPhones only capable of charging at a VERY low wattage on standard Qi charging pads. This is obviously done to push people to use MagSafe, or to buy the new wireless chargers that will have the (MFI) logo on them that comply to Apple's new wireless charging standards. My wireless chargers charge my iPhone 12 max so slowly now that its not really worth using them if I need to get a quick charge in.

Outside of those reasons above, I don't like it becuase its the same as using a cable, it heats up your phone way to much, the cord is too short, the cord gets in the way if not pointed directly down, it damages Apple's expensive leather case, and to me its a completely pointless accessory that Apple is shoving on us because they refuse to make a standard USB-C charging cable for their phones.

I'm sorry for the rant but I had to get that out.

I came here thinking I’d be reading someone’s thoughts on what they dislike about MagSafe and all I’ve read is opinions on finance and motivation towards greed.

Frankly, I don’t care that Apple is greedy. Every damn company on the planet is greedy. People are greedy. In fact it’s essential for survival to immediately want any and all resources possible. Thus implied due to the potential that they will be used by someone else and threaten your own existence.

But really, MagSafe in its current implementation is just awful enough without having to tie it to a moral dilemma. LOL. Maybe you want to talk about that and now this other bs or just clearly state your intentions in the subject line next time. LOL

 

[Duncan68]

I came here thinking I’d be reading someone’s thoughts on what they dislike about MagSafe and all I’ve read is opinions on finance and motivation towards greed.

Frankly, I don’t care that Apple is greedy. Every damn company on the planet is greedy. People are greedy. In fact it’s essential for survival to immediately want any and all resources possible. Thus implied due to the potential that they will be used by someone else and threaten your own existence.

But really, MagSafe in its current implementation is just awful enough without having to tie it to a moral dilemma. LOL. Maybe you want to talk about that and now this other bs or just clearly state your intentions in the subject line next time. LOL

Wow, do you have a bust of Darwin on the mantelpiece at home?

The idea as societies evolve and progress is to make them less cutthroat and predatory over time.

 

[atomic.flip]

Wow, do you have a bust of Darwin on the mantelpiece at home?

The idea as societies evolve and progress is to make them less cutthroat and predatory over time.

Thanks for that. You got a genuine laugh from me on the bust of Darwin comment. Haha.

On your point about society. Yes, Ideally you’d think so. And transcending our current state to be more enlightened then certainly that vision appears to hold true. But without debating anthropological philosophy…

Societies are a product of implied necessity. By pooling resources we operate as one organism vs many individual organisms competing and thus diluting the potential for species propagation.

Even so, our own bodies have the very same such dilemma of resource competition which cells and groups of cells (organs and systems) will horde resources due to implied and perceived necessity that has evolved by agreement over time.

As our environment changes so does the compatibility of these preset agreements. And as such we are forced to evolve, adapt or die.

But remember this, organisms (in general) are lazy and resistant to change. So change only occurs when all pre-existing tactics and tools fail.

Apple will evolve like any other thing as it’s living environment changes.

You want Apple to be more humble and generous? Then you must starve it for attention and resources. And that will require you to stop buying and stop talking about and stop using their products period.

No. You can’t not buy them and then talk endlessly about them as that provides sustenance by a number of mechanisms I won’t get into.

So if you want real change you must do that hard work.

Trust me I have my opinions and preferences but I’m not going to waste my time and energy to complain about them in a forum that won’t have an impact of change and as I have no need to reverberate those thoughts for my own vanity or ego then I easily abstain from doing so.

Anyway. I just laughed at the sort of bait and switch call for attention the post subject had which led me originally to believe the poster would be discussing the issues with MagSafe’s current implementation. (Something I have a keen interest in as it’s core to my career and business interests.)

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

Thanks for that. You got a genuine laugh from me on the bust of Darwin comment. Haha.

On your point about society. Yes, Ideally you’d think so. And transcending our current state to be more enlightened then certainly that vision appears to hold true. But without debating anthropological philosophy…

Societies are a product of implied necessity. By pooling resources we operate as one organism vs many individual organisms competing and thus diluting the potential for species propagation.

Even so, our own bodies have the very same such dilemma of resource competition which cells and groups of cells (organs and systems) will horde resources due to implied and perceived necessity that has evolved by agreement over time.

As our environment changes so does the compatibility of these preset agreements. And as such we are forced to evolve, adapt or die.

But remember this, organisms (in general) are lazy and resistant to change. So change only occurs when all pre-existing tactics and tools fail.

Apple will evolve like any other thing as it’s living environment changes.

You want Apple to be more humble and generous? Then you must starve it for attention and resources. And that will require you to stop buying and stop talking about and stop using their products period.

No. You can’t not buy them and then talk endlessly about them as that provides sustenance by a number of mechanisms I won’t get into.

So if you want real change you must do that hard work.

Trust me I have my opinions and preferences but I’m not going to waste my time and energy to complain about them in a forum that won’t have an impact of change and as I have no need to reverberate those thoughts for my own vanity or ego then I easily abstain from doing so.

Anyway. I just laughed at the sort of bait and switch call for attention the post subject had which led me originally to believe the poster would be discussing the issues with MagSafe’s current implementation. (Something I have a keen interest in as it’s core to my career and business interests.)

Great post. I don’t see the “Apple is starved for attention” scenario ever being a possibility. Sure, it can be said that they’re greedy, but it can also be said that they’re using their stuffed coffers to benefit mankind rather than their own executives.

Apple products generally make my life better. I used to have a problem remembering to take my wallet when I went out. Since I’ve had my Apple wallet it has yet to happen. I’ve been buying iPhones since Feb of 2008. I upgrade every year and there’s been many instances where I wasn’t satisfied with the purchase and every time they made it right. They even replaced a phone I had smashed free of charge.

On top of all of that, they’re making moves to reduce their carbon footprint and make public everything they do to make their products more green. How many other companies have done that without following in Apple’s exact footsteps (coughSamsungcough)? I dunno, maybe a lot. I don’t pay attention to other tech companies.

Anyway, my general point is there’s lots of other entities I’d like to see fail before Apple.

 

[MacBH928]

those magnets could have been used for battery which is a lot more useful

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

those magnets could have been used for battery which is a lot more useful

I agree. I’d rather have a bigger battery than a magnet system i’ll probably never use.

 

[lordhamster]

I agree. I’d rather have a bigger battery than a magnet system i’ll probably never use.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Both would be a better solution. I was just talking from my own perspective as I don’t use MagSafe, that’s all.

 

[MacBH928]

Can't be both because whenever there is a magnet inside, you still can take that out and make the battery even bigger and last even longer which should please the people even more. Unless the magnets become as thin as an SD card. Plus from what I have seen using the wireless technology now is not convenient enough. I think the real deal is if your phone can start charging on/off as easily as placing it on a table. Currently it still has an "attach mechanism. Might as well "attach" the wire since it charges faster any way.

 

[Htsi]

I think about selling my MagSafe since I use the duo, but these occasions make me grateful to have it.

 

[Htsi]

MagSafe solves the usage while charging.

 

[lordhamster]

Can't be both because whenever there is a magnet inside, you still can take that out and make the battery even bigger and last even longer which should please the people even more. Unless the magnets become as thin as an SD card. Plus from what I have seen using the wireless technology now is not convenient enough. I think the real deal is if your phone can start charging on/off as easily as placing it on a table. Currently it still has an "attach mechanism. Might as well "attach" the wire since it charges faster any way.

I don't think the magnets are significantly thicker if at all than an SD card as is. Look at the magsafe case vs the previous silicon cases. They aren't thicker from what I can tell. The "magsafe" stickers you can buy on Ali-express are super-thin.

I for one have been saying for years they need to stop the obsession with thin phones, and give us a slightly thicker phone. I'd be ok with having a tiny "magsafe bump" on the outside of the housing if it meant better battery & magsafe.

What puzzles me is the fact that nobody has ever taken issue (that I'm aware of) with the Apple Watch charger...which is functionally identical to the magsafe charger.

 

[theautopilot]

I don't think the magnets are significantly thicker if at all than an SD card as is. Look at the magsafe case vs the previous silicon cases. They aren't thicker from what I can tell. The "magsafe" stickers you can buy on Ali-express are super-thin.

I for one have been saying for years they need to stop the obsession with thin phones, and give us a slightly thicker phone. I'd be ok with having a tiny "magsafe bump" on the outside of the housing if it meant better battery & magsafe.

What puzzles me is the fact that nobody has ever taken issue (that I'm aware of) with the Apple Watch charger...which is functionally identical to the magsafe charger.

True about cases, but it’s different inside the phone, with the coils and circuitry that goes with it.

But I agree with you to a degree. You could have this argument about everything - ‘I don’t want more camera lens, I want more battery etc’. Ultimately they can’t please everyone.

 

[MacBH928]

I don't think the magnets are significantly thicker if at all than an SD card as is. Look at the magsafe case vs the previous silicon cases. They aren't thicker from what I can tell. The "magsafe" stickers you can buy on Ali-express are super-thin.

I for one have been saying for years they need to stop the obsession with thin phones, and give us a slightly thicker phone. I'd be ok with having a tiny "magsafe bump" on the outside of the housing if it meant better battery & magsafe.

What puzzles me is the fact that nobody has ever taken issue (that I'm aware of) with the Apple Watch charger...which is functionally identical to the magsafe charger.

Well if the magnets inside the iphone are as thin as an SD card then my arguement is moot because I thought it would be at least few millimetres thick.

I was one of the people calling for thicker deivces but honestly holding the thinner SE compared to to the 12 feels much nicer. That being said, if the 12 means more durable+bigger battery I will go with that over a more fragile less capable phone. The tradeoff is worth it.

 

[Htsi]

The 12 pro is thinner but the 11Pro felt thinner. I don’t want an even thicker & heavier phone.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

It really just comes down to time spent with the device. When I first got my Apple wallet and attached it to my Mini it felt shockingly chunky. After a few days it felt normal and using the phone without it attached felt strange. I'm now using the same wallet on a 12 Pro in an Apple leather case and it feels great.

There's always going to be people that aren't happy and they're more likely to be vocal about it but as we've seen over the years, people always adapt. If Apple were to add a millimeter or two of thickness to increase battery life, you'd see the usual squawking about how heavy/thick the phone is and then people would move on.

Personally, I don't see that happening. I think it's more likely that battery technology will advance beforehand.