Developers have to add dynamic resolution in manually. Most just use MetalFX fixed resolution scaling.
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Major gaming news at WWDC: Metal and New games
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Was that another joke? Because each time it gets harder to tell if you’re joking or being serious with such off-topic posts. In any case the fact remains that the M3 Ultra Mac Studio that was used to test AC Shadows in Andrew Tsai’s video doesn’t cost $15,000 but $4000 so the rest is irrelevant. For $15,000 we would also be talking about M3 Ultra with 80c GPU, not 60c and that would give more fps above 50 so that’s another factual error in the previous post you’re defending.
Also quite strange to complain about ”measly” 96GB of RAM/VRAM when you never would buy a Mac and your main gaming device is a Steam Deck with 16GB. If you think $4,000 is too much for 96GB RAM you can always buy high-end gaming PCs like Corsair Vengeance i8300 for $6900 or NZXT H9 Elite for $5,000 but you get only ”measly” 64GB. For $4,000 you could get a Corsair Vengeance i5100 with ”measly” 32GB RAM and 2TB storage.
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Hey! Spend less on the Mac Studio and get less frames!! 🤣
Does anyone know why Apple can’t do something on the driver side to improve performance?
Yes, it was a joke. 96GB is not that measly. But compared to the max config of 512GB it is. Although honestly 1TB for $4000 is pretty measly.
More than 32GB RAM is pretty irrelevant for gaming at the moment anyways so it's understandable those gaming PCs are prioritizing other things like silly lights.
Did anyone test the 80 core GPU? Do you know if actually results in more frames? Not always a given either.
And I have bought Macs, and I might be tempted by right models for the right price. I'd buy a cheap G3 PowerBook if I could find one in good nick. Or a TiBook.
And this thread is supposed to be about new games at WWDC 2022. Everything is pretty much off topic.
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Well it’s not like we’d know, they never talk about GPU driver changes. Maybe they did make adjustments and this is the best that could be done for the game (I doubt it though). According to Ubisoft they did work with Apple on this so maybe there’ll be more down the line. Or maybe the reason Apple is rumoured to be going with a monolithic Hidra die is there’s just no helping the glued-together Ultras in this area. So many possibilities!
Because the issue is not with the driver?
When you see a "game specific driver" on the PC , it's usually not a performance optimization, it's the driver analyzing the game and replacing shaders with more optimized implementations.
Is there a reason for them to do so? It's not as if there were a competition between GPU vendors for Macs of if gaming performance was a selling point.
How many shader code permutations would a developer have to write to be able to optimize for these platforms. It seems like it defeats the purpose of "hardware agnostic" APIs.
So, is the general consensus that Assassin's Creed Shadows has poor performance on PC as well and not just Macs? I am confused by what I am reading because some people say it has poor performance on high-end PCs while others say it is great on high-end PCs.
It does seem to have poor performance relative to the ability on Nvidia cards. AMD seems to perform well. PS5/Pro also.
Another joke or sarcasm? That’s the third time in a row, especially when you mention PowerBook G3. The last model from 2001 had ”measly” 0.128GB RAM and 0.012TB storage and you ”joke” about 96GB/1TB in Mac studio? What would/could you even do with a PB G3? Soon Macrumors will have turned into a comedy club I guess. Hard to believe after abandoning Mac completely in 2019, all the praise for your Linux devices and critisizing Mac and Apple in almost every post. A few recent examples:
This thread is about ”Major gaming news”, ”New games” and ”Metal” as the title suggests. It just happened to start with the gaming news announced at WWDC. Your post was off-topic in relation to the discussion about post 3,852, not the thread topic. The discussion was about AC Shadows and the HW used for testing the game. The poster greatly exaggerated the price of the Mac Studio used in the test and I corrected the error. You tried then to justify the error by saying that the Mac Studio can be that expensive by adding every possible upgrade but that was irrelevant and not the subject of the discussion. There was no need for justifying the misinformation and therefore your post was off-topic. It’s just like the discussion about the newly released Sniper Elite 4 Mac and the cheap Steam PC keys someone insisted we should buy instead which didn’t work on Mac or in Crossover but you tried to justify.
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Just an FYI - the NZXT H9 Elite is just the case used for that prebuilt rig. The model is actually the Player PC 5090 Edition. I built my gaming PC in the H9 Flow case, which actually has better airflow due to the top panel being perforated rather than the glass panel used on the Elite.
A screenshot would improve that person credibility since Andrew was getting more than 19 fps on a 60 core model.
And listing every free Mac game you find is on topic even it's not new, major or something to do with metal? Is this post I'm quoting of yours on topic? Or is telling people they're off topic on topic even though it's not really on topic?
And no I wasn't joking about getting a G3 Powerbook if I can get one cheap. I wouldn't do anything with it really. It would just be for messing around with Classic macOS, maybe trying to shove Rhapsody on there. It would be more for collecting sake, than doing sake.
My guess is that Ubisoft focussed all their optimisation resource on the console versions. It looks like this worked quite well as the PS5/Series X versions seem to look great & perform well at the 30 fps quality and 40 fps balanced mode. The 60 fps performance modes look a lot less advanced (due to dropping the RTGI), but still just about holds onto that 60 fps target. Given the consoles use AMD GPUs, perhaps it's not surprising that the PC version has stronger relative performance in AMD than nVidia.
Give it a bit of time, and I'm sure the nVidia side will be further optimised to perform better. Whether the Apple Silicon version is also further optimised, remains to be seen.
As much as gamers hate Ubisoft, they do a solid job of post patches, optimization updates. I imagine by late April-Early May, Apple Silicon will be solid.
And the game will be on sale for like $20 if the typical Ubi experience holds.
Yeah, personally I don’t mind waiting for them to patch the game with an update.
I think a bigger issue is getting devs to use their libraries at all. I’m sure if most games had as much effort put into optimization for Macs as they do for consoles or PC, then they would run just as well.
We’re at the point where getting a simple low effort port is difficult. Let alone expecting optimization.
EDIT: Though if I had to suggest a strategy, I think just developing DRM and/or anticheat software that works on Mac in place of the popular PC-only ones might go a long way for new titles, while just turning gptk into some compatibility layer with a permissive license to use it on older titles would fill a lot of their backlog.
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Normally i'd agree, however if you take away the controversial elements then AC Shadows appears to be trending upwards as far as sales, players and consistency.
[IMO, from my 8hrs of playtime last weekend, I am enjoying the game]
iirc the PC version of AC:S uses denuvo, but it doesn't seem to be impacting performance (much). I don't think the macOS version has it.
Overall I agree anticheat/DRM support is needed on macOS for multiplayer titles.
What hardware are you playing on?. I want to try it on my M4 iMac but I am wary of wasting $70 if it doesn’t perform OK.