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Major iPhone 17 Pro Redesign Backed by Supply Chain Info, Claims Leaker

That’s the way I’d want it anyway. I haven’t used cases since 2010 and the wobble drives me crazy. At least it will sit normally now with a slight tilt.
 
SammyG7 said:
Guys, what am I missing?

I was under the impression that you only needed two cameras that are separated by some distance to get spatial video. From my understanding, it does not matter if the cameras are spaced vertically, diagonally, or horizontally.
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Currently you have to turn the phone horizontal to take spatial video, so the cameras are in line. That means you can only take spatial video (or photos) in landscape orientation.

With the suggested lens configuration you could take spatial content with the phone vertical, but it would only make spatial content in portrait orientation.

OR they'd make it so you're able to select portrait or landscape regardless of whether the camera is vertical or horizontal.

OR the camera would work as always, where you had to turn it horizontal to take landscape, but only in Spatial mode you'd be able to select the output orientation.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
I'll see your "radical" and raise you "more": Why not just make a true camera with no "thinner" limitations working against quality of picture but install the telephony app as one of the apps on the camera (buds for phone use, NOT holding a camera up to one's ear)... like this...

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Telephony is just an app (not necessarily a form factor). In fact, I have no iPhone. I use Cellular Mini with Buds as (ALSO) my phone and at times use a MB as my phone. A Phone app that runs in a camera body would make a camera a phone... like a map/camcorder/tape measure/flashlight/iPod app in a phone makes it a map/camcorder/tape measure/etc.

Optical physics cannot be overcome. An ever-better camera fights against "thinner" phone case objectives. However, if the big focus is "better camera", perhaps they should make a camera that can also run a phone app. There seems plenty of room in that concept for massive improvements to both camera and phone... and battery life, etc... unlike all "thinner" aspirations.
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Interesting idea.

It's sort of like CarPlay but for the camera industry.
I imagine the big players like Nikon, Canon and Fuji would not be too interested.

But an Apple branded camera...I can see Tim rubbing his hands on the amount he could charge for interchangeable Apple lenses.
 
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I don't really see value in a 3 lens phone in my usage. I want a communicator that call also take an occasional picture. I'm not a videographer or professional photographer. Why not just burden the Pro line with that stuff and lower the cost of the more regular iPhones? Or better, make an attachable "Pro camera" for those wanting the latest/greatest?
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
There is regular copying BOTH ways (and with Google & Chinese manufacturers too). Apple used to refer to 3.5" and then 4" (BOTH) as "perfect" (screen sizes: "one handed use") and there were years of Apple and Apple fans ridiculing the "abominations" of phablet-sized phones ((developer) "fragmentation", (having to carry) "man purses", "pants with bigger pockets", etc). What's in your pocket now? How far off of "perfect" are we now?

Pay with phone (NFC) started "there." It was ridiculed as a gimmick ("my plastic works just fine" and "works everywhere") before Apple offered Applepay... and then there were calls for boycotts of stores who wouldn't accept Applepay.

And on and on. The entire list of Apple taking from others would be a long one... and vice versa.
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I agree @HobeSoundDarryl

"Originality is just undetected plagiarism."

— William Ralph Inge
 
rymc02 said:
📸 Question 📸

Anecdotally I see a lot of people in the comments state they want a flat back i.e. no camera bump.

Would you rather have no camera bump even at the cost of image quality?

Or would you rather see Apple continue to increase sensor size and lens to maximize image quality?
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Given the choice, I would prefer: same cameras, less bump with more battery fill.
Also, not posting moonlight food pics for a living.
 
I hope the new camera arrangement doesn't mean all spatial video will be in portrait only mode. (I know this is only a mock up of rumored placement.) Also, I would prefer it if the lenses were positioned to optimize landscape mode over portrait.
 
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Brian_v11 said:
I don't really see value in a 3 lens phone in my usage. I want a communicator that call also take an occasional picture. I'm not a videographer or professional photographer. Why not just burden the Pro line with that stuff and lower the cost of the more regular iPhones? Or better, make an attachable "Pro camera" for those wanting the latest/greatest?
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I think the upcoming SE might be exactly what you are looking for.
 
So next year is the upgrade year for me from my 14PM. Optics is everything at Apple and this screams latest phone.
 
Look Ma! I have run out of ideas on how to redesign the basic black slab that is the smartphone! They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so I will copy Google's design! I am a Pixel!

LOL...
 
Brian_v11 said:
Or better, make an attachable "Pro camera" for those wanting the latest/greatest?
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I think I can speak for everyone when I say people don't want something that can be separated and lost. The thought of having to carry a detachable device to take a picture is a nonstarter. There are already third party phone lens adapters available on the market, and I've never once seen anyone using one.
 
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I wonder is Apple going to this new rear camera configuration because the exclusivity of the use of that periscope camera found on the Galaxy S23 and new models ends in 2025. This new configuration allows Apple to use the 10X periscope camera without wasting valuable internal space on the iPhone 17 Pro/Pro Max models.
 
Not a fan, it looks very top heavy plus the three camera holes somehow look worse when presented in a straight line.

If they do go for cameras in a straight line (though I'm not sure how spatial video will work with this layout) I'd prefer something that made the individual camera cut outs more discreet like my very amateur mock-ups below:

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joeblow7777 said:
If they had the technical means to incorporate the camera technology without a bump, I'm pretty sure that they would.
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There is a way, but it means thicker overall phones. On the plus side, at least it would mean more space for a larger battery.
Alternatively it could be done using worse cameras, so maybe for the SE but certainly not an option for the Pro models.
 
How about people wait until the phone is released before getting mad about the looks of a meaningless render or alleged camera bump etc. Nothing has been confirmed outside of a leaker said something on social media.
 
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I doubt it will be that high up, considering faceID needs to fit in that same area.

Hopefully they’re able to make it symmetrical by putting the flash and LiDAR between the 3 lenses…
 
Between this change, and the 17 "Air" rumors - it would seem they're moving design elements in anticipation of a flip/fold phone in 2026
 
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