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Yes they have now become a bully and it's our responsibility to call them out in the loudest voice possible. You seem to be okay with it I feel.

Also Einstein was not a saint, but he insured that his inventions and research was not used for evil purposes. Oppenheimer allowed it to happen and spent the rest of his life regretting what he did.
Nah I don’t ‘feel OK with it’. I just don’t agree with your assessment that Apple shifted their focus to the bottom line. Their (self created) image has shifted.
 
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I voted against it. Why should they be forced to reveal what they are using it for when other companies aren’t also?

Most of the shareholder proposals are just plain dumb
Thatis what happens when you take money from people in the form of shares. You trade off their money against your shares.
 
Apple is so behind on AI it's too early for that. Maybe next year, or until Apple shows that it has any AI prowess beyond the black and white donkey kong games decades ago. For now, it's more appropriate for shareholders to pressure Apple on the opposite -- to explain why it has done so little in AI. Maybe some executives need to go.


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You have zero idea on where "Apple is" with AI... None of us do. I think that's the whole point here.
 
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You can trust that Apple will so neutered AI to protect against offending anyone that it will be useless except as marketing material.

This is already happening to the point that it’s making it even less effective for marketing material. Everyone is making sure to keep a political officer around to make sure the AIs don’t commit any ThoughtCrime.
 
If I ran a company shareholder stuff like this would drive me insane...

Yah, talk about the tail wagging the dog. Apple has already been very clear on their approach with machine learning. How many times have we heard them say "happens entirely on device", "never leaves device"...

Let Apple manage the messaging. They haven't yet released any products that use LLMs (large language models), and to force them to discuss that early is damaging to their future product planning.

I wish Apple would go private and eliminate shares.
 
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Their major risk Apple faces with AI right now, isn’t anything to do with ethics, it’s to do with getting left behind.

If anything, the ethical rot their competitors are going through right now (eg woke gemini) is probably a good handicap to help them catch up.

Of course, software is half the battle. Does Apple have enough GPU/serverfarm power? Or will they also be shelling out to a competitor for it?

That's where Apple could play it differently... figure out how to have LLM-based tech running on-device rather that solely in the cloud.

This whole "Apple being left behind" is pure nonsense. Why do they have to compete on the same turf? They are selling the devices that enable engineers to create these Ai services *and* the devices for users to consume them. Why do they also need to be an AI provider?

Yes, Siri needs to evolve, but if someone wants ChatGPT or Google Gemini, those already work great *on Apple devices*, right?
 
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Apple has become Oppenheimer now.. it was Einstein not so long ago. Its sad to see their reputation taking such a massive hit as they shifted their focus so strongly towards the bottomline, in fact now it seems its the only thing they care about.
I think a stronger analogy is that Apple used to be Oppenheimer and now they are Barbie.
 
The latter part is a bold statement considering it's $3,500 and in only one country so far.

Also that Apple is only producing around 500,000 units of the device and under its rosiest projections prior to production issues it encountered only planned on releasing a million units in 2024 but let’s not let facts get in the way of hating on a new device because many are priced out of owning one.
 
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But not at the expense of doing stupid things.

and I pointed out some stupid things Job's Apple did.

Product misses are not the same thing as cost cutting refinements and losing or crippling functionality.

Still they were stupid and Apple's supply chain work has been a good thing overall, IMHO.

Also Einstein was not a saint, but he insured that his inventions and research was not used for evil purposes.

He did write FDR to encourage research into atomic weapons.
 
A shift from the theoretical o practical applications is a good thing. Apple has always been about the bottom line; Jobs may have had a vision and approach but he was all about making money.
Well, if I recall correctly, what Jobs said was that they should make amazing products and the bottom line would take care of itself.
 
Also that Apple is only producing around 500,000 units of the device and under its rosiest projections prior to production issues it encountered only planned on releasing a million units in 2024 but let’s not let facts get in the way of hating on a new device because many are priced out of owning one.
The 500,000 number has nothing to do with production issues, Sony’s production line for these displays has a maximum capacity of about 1 million displays this year.
 
He did write FDR to encourage research into atomic weapons.
Context is important here. Einstein did his research and urged US because he knew that Germany was already working on its atomic bomb, and if they succeeded before others, it would have been catastrophic for the world.
 
Some of Apple's biggest investors are set to pressure the company tomorrow to reveal its use of artificial intelligence tools (via the Financial Times).
The same FT guys that like to beat their drums with the EU DMA rumored fines are back with more rumors this time biggest investors want to know about Apple's confidential software plans involving AI tools, well you can just wait until WWDC 2024 like everyone else. :D

I bet Tim Cook could go through an another one on one press interview and dance away from answering any AI questions giving specifics for a hour easily. ;)
 
Apple has become Oppenheimer now.. it was Einstein not so long ago. Its sad to see their reputation taking such a massive hit as they shifted their focus so strongly towards the bottomline, in fact now it seems its the only thing they care about.
Apple has never cared about anything other than their bottom line and certainly not their customers. It's why we see constant nickel & diming, soldered & glued on components, open hostility to right to repair, use of slave labor, open hostility towards unions and the endless platitudes & virtue signaling from Timmy.
 
Apple has never cared about anything other than their bottom line and certainly not their customers. It's why we see constant nickel & diming, soldered & glued on components, open hostility to right to repair, use of slave labor, open hostility towards unions and the endless platitudes & virtue signaling from Timmy.
Agreed, at the end of the day they are just a greedy corporate, but they are also a customer friendly brand that cares about customer satisfaction surveys, now the friendly mask is slipping away from their face.
 
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Apple is so behind on AI it's too early for that. Maybe next year, or until Apple shows that it has any AI prowess beyond the black and white donkey kong games decades ago. For now, it's more appropriate for shareholders to pressure Apple on the opposite -- to explain why it has done so little in AI. Maybe some executives need to go.
Sure, here is GEMINI's answer. Too bad I couldn't ask Apple to answer your question.


Of course, I could have just used Chrome's "help me write," or ChatGPT, or Perplexity, or Bing, or Notion, or even freakin Grammarly.

Siri? "HERE IS WHAT I FOUND ON THE WEB"!!

And when you reply to the above, I can just use one of these many options to answer. But it's quicker just to do that yourself.
Okey… so what do you actually know? For all we know Apple might have a banger of an AI product in the works not yet revealed. Just because Siri is trash right now, doesn’t show that a future product isn’t going to be good.

Just look how OpenAI Sora came out of the blue with apparently excellent text to video capabilities.

It’s absolutely not to early to know their ethical guidelines and how they might use AI tools internally
Can you describe what other companies in this space are doing with ai and how customers are benefiting and exactly where apple is with ai?
I have to agree with your 100%
 
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