Making bootable Leopard USB

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  1. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    I wanted to at least try installing Leopard on it(not server, as I don't have it yet). I stuck a clean hard drive it it, but the optical drive seems a bit "touchy" as it kicked out my Leopard disk and refused to boot from it. I keep a burned "working" copy to save wear and tear on my original-it gave me the same result with both the burned disk and the pressed disk.

    I thought I'd try to make a Leopard install flash drive. I used my saved Leopard image and a(new) 16gb flash drive. I formatted the flash drive as HFS+, APM and then used the "restore" function in Disk Utility to "burn" the image to the USB drive. I did all this from my MBP running OS X 10.9.5

    For all intents and purposes, on a booted system, it appears to be a fully functional 10.5 install disk. When the flash drive plugged into a system, it mounts and brings the auto-start dialog box-just as if I'd put a CD in the drive.

    I was able to force the Xserve to boot from USB using OF, but when it attempts to boot off the USB it just gives me a big stop sign(gray circle with a slash through it).

    Any thoughts on what could be going on? Could the fact that I "burned" the flash drive from 10.9 be the problem? If so, I can try doing it on a PPC computer from 10.5.
     
  2. poiihy macrumors 68020

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    I once made a Mountain Lion USB stick and had the same problem.
    I would like to know as well.
     
  3. Intell macrumors P6

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    Don't use Disk Utility's Restore function. Partition and format the drive, then use a third party cloning utility to clone the disc's contents onto the USB drive.
     
  4. bunnspecial thread starter macrumors 603

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    Thanks-I have it formatted as APM, so will try using CCC to clone the disk onto the flash drive.
     
  5. MatthewLTL macrumors 68000

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    Why not? That's how I did it it worked fine.

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    did you try using the Option/Alt key to get to the boot menu?
     
  6. Intell macrumors P6

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    It rarely works correctly and makes more problems than it should. Installs made from Disk Utility restored media often have stability problems.
     
  7. MatthewLTL macrumors 68000

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    Perhaps that is why my Leopard USB Stick seems to "hang" at the Installing section and not move.
     
  8. bunnspecial thread starter macrumors 603

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    I'm sure Intell can probably provide specifics, but as far as I know it's only possible to use Boot Manager to boot off USB on computers AGP-based Macs with USB 1.1. When the Sawtooth was released, Apple made a big deal about it being able to boot off USB(although in my experience, booting off Leopard off a USB 1.1 external takes about 10-15 minutes) and then quietly discontinued this ability when they started putting in USB 2.0.

    All the USB 2.0 PPC Macs I've used can only be booted off USB from Open Firmware. Easy USB booting came back with Intel processors.

    But, to directly answer your question-the USB drive did not appear in Boot Manager.
     
  9. MatthewLTL macrumors 68000

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    My eMac USB 2.0 can boot off USB no problem as can my MDD via the USB 2 card
     
  10. bunnspecial thread starter macrumors 603

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    Still no luck using CCC to clone the mounted image.
     
  11. Intell macrumors P6

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    Booting from a non-built in USB port is not possible on PowerPC Macs. OpenFirmware does not properly initialize PCI USB cards until too late in the boot process to allow an OS to be booted from them.

    What are the exact steps you are doing?
     
  12. bunnspecial thread starter macrumors 603

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    1. Insert flash drive in computer, then open disk utility. In disk utility, I selected the flash drive, clicked the "Partition" tab, selected "1 Partition". I selected Mac OS Extended(Journaled), and under "Options" selected APM. I then hit "partition" and let it run.

    2. I double-clicked my saved image to mount it

    3. I opened Carbon Copy Cloner.

    4. From CCC, I selected the mounted image as the source and the freshly-formatted flash drive as the destination. I then hit the clone button and clicked okay through the various warnings about deleting everything on the destination volume and PPP Macs not being bootable off USB.

    5. CCC proceeded with the clone(it took about an hour and a half) and reported success at the completion.

    All of the above was done from my A1139 Powerbook running 10.5.8. My initial "restore" attempts were done under 10.9.5 on my Macbook Pro.
     
  13. Intell macrumors P6

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    Those steps are all good. Now the steps you do when attempting to boot from it.
     
  14. bunnspecial thread starter macrumors 603

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    1. Boot to Open Firmware

    2. Type Dev / ls , and parsed the list until I found this

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    (uploaded below also at full resolution)

    3. Typed boot usb@1/disk@2, \\:tbxi

    At this point, the screen goes black, I get a dark gray screen that flashes text on it too quickly for me to read, and then I get the gray screen with the stop sign.

    I'll also add that at one point, I tried looking at the devalias output. I don't recall(and didn't photograph) the output, but found the alias that appeared to corresponded most closely to usb@1/disk@2 . This gave me the exact same result as when using the above procedure.
     

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  15. Surrat macrumors 6502

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    Does your xserve have just a cd drive?

    Mine did, I ended up taking it out and replacing it with a superdrive from an intel white imac.
     
  16. weckart macrumors 68040

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    Try holding down Cmd+V after you deliver the OF boot command to see in the boot log what is causing the error.
     
  17. LightBulbFun macrumors 6502a

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    I would Have to disagree with this as I have 2 different USB cards and they both allow me to hold option and boot from a USB drive on both my MDD and sawtooth I suspect whats happening is they are being seen by OF as USB 1.1 Devices and during the first half of booting its USB 1.1 speed then the OS takes over and switches into full speed mode if that makes sense. In the pic attached I have my sawtooth booted from the blue USB stick you see plugged in
     

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  18. MatthewLTL macrumors 68000

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    I have installed Leopard on my MDD atleast a half a dozen times by booting off the Leopard USB stick i made with it plugged into my USB 2.0 Card works just fine infact i JUST did it 2 days ago i didn't install Leopard just booted the installer to make sure my ATA100 bus worked after the board swap.

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    are Xserves different than Desktops in the regards of booting? All G4 and G5s have a boot menu unless the Xserve is different if the USB is partitioned correctly i will show up in the boot menu
     
  19. spf2 macrumors regular

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    I'm no expert on the xserve but can't you use target disk mode and install that way?
     
  20. weckart macrumors 68040

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    The circle with a slash usually means the installer cannot see the root device. Verbose mode would confirm this.
     
  21. bunnspecial thread starter macrumors 603

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    XSERVE OR NO XSERVE G5s CAN NOT boot from USB using boot manager.

    In fact, quite a few PPC computers will NOT boot from USB using boot manager-hence the use of Open Firmware.

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    I'll try this in a little while and confirm this.

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    That's certainly a possibility and one I may end up doing. In the bigger picture, though, I'd really like to get a bootable USB stick working.
     
  22. bunnspecial thread starter macrumors 603

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    Unfortunately, I don't get anything in verbose mode -it just goes directly to the stop sign.
     
  23. MatthewLTL macrumors 68000

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    the boot manager detects the USB stick as a Internal HDD. With my macs i press and hold the ALT key and shows AND BOOTS from any bootable USB stick i have in it thats from both Linux and Leopard. Boots off my USB 2 Card inside of my MDD too. even my USB 2 eMac boots USB installing Leopard via booting the usb stick via boot manager is how i install leopard. I don't even use my Leopard Install DVD anymore
     
  24. bunnspecial thread starter macrumors 603

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    Believe it or not, I might have a few Apple computers lying around, and more than a few G4 towers. I'm intimately familiar with Boot Manager, and what can be done on it. I have booted MANY G4 towers(as well as Tibook laptops) from USB, including using an external hard drive with a full Leopard install on them, but selecting the USB device from boot manager.

    THIS DOES NOT WORK ON G5s!

    Bootable USB devices are NOT recognized in boot manager on G5s.

    Let me repeat again

    THIS DOES NOT WORK ON G5s!

    Bootable USB devices are NOT recognized in boot manager on G5s.

    G5s can ONLY be booted from USB using Open Firmware.

    Believe it or not, I actually have a few G5s lying around too, and I have tried.
     
  25. MatthewLTL macrumors 68000

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    thats strange that G4s can boot USB in the boot manager yet G5s cant? that is odd. And even odder, you can boot from USB on G4s but yet cannot INSTALL OS X on a USB drive...
     

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