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Those who chose not to have smartphones will be issued a token generating, NFC card, keychain or similar fob.

Yes, an NFC enabled credit card, but it would use the traditional method of authorization with the back-end and not Visa's Tokenization Service or Mastercard DES (or at least I don't think so).
 
apple must really be asking for quite the transaction fee for everyone to be so hesitant. They really like wielding their power.
 
What? :D

You think sit-down restaurants will completely change the way they do business and suddenly start bringing NFC terminals over to tables with the check just because Apple decided to put an NFC chip in their phone?

I wish I shared your unique sense of optimism.

It has nothing to do with Apple. It has to do with the fact that mag stripe is done. $2-3k is a lot for a new terminal, but it's nothing compared to the liability they will carry for ongoing breaches of existing card tech.
 
Is this so shocking?

Heh, this is how we do it in Canada. Pretty standard issue, been like this for the last decade.

The only problem with that statement is NFC has only been available for purchases for about 3-4 years. Maybe 5...

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Oh, they're working on that too. You will be able to use ApplePay at some restaurants (so long as you use OpenTable). The bill will be sent to your phone, you'll be able to add the tip, and use applepay with touchID to pay.
I think they demo'd this at the keynote? I don't remember where I saw it now.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...-payments-for-restaurant-goers-274504121.html

Oh great. Yet Another proprietary service to have to sign up for...
 
Banking industry here only has a few major players that control the vast majority of the market (same as in US I believe) and if Apple didn't seem to have a problem in getting the big US banks on board.

Banking in Canada is generally more advanced because we only have five major banks. The five Canadian banks generally work well together through organizations like the Canadian Payment Association and the Canadian Bankers Association.

The US banking system is much more decentralized, so it's much harder to standardize and coordinate amongst the banks.

In terms of payment technology, the US is so far behind, they have no choice but to play catch up as this point...
 
Get real the govt isn't going to make every retailer sign on with apple pay. Some sort of sim chipped credit card terminal readers yes but not apple pay. What you fail to understand is there is no incentive to use these technologies especially when its faster to use my credit card swipe. Remember back then when you couldn't even use a credit cxard to pay for gas at the pump but instead had to go inside to a clerk? Perhaps you apple hipsters are too young to recall but that took ages to finally gain widespread acceptance.

Apples pay system will take at least 5 years to become widespread enough.


Credit Card swipe is no longer an option here in Australia - it's Chip & Pin or NFC only.

I can't remember the last time I swiped a card or the last time I signed for anything (you cannot sign for a transaction anymore, it's pin only). When paying for anything under $100, I just tap my card against the reader and the payment is authorised - don't even need a pin. On purchases greater than $100, I still tap my card on the reader but it asks for a pin.

It's way quicker than the older method and is already in widespread use in pretty much every developed country around the world.
 
Credit Card swipe is no longer an option here in Australia - it's Chip & Pin or NFC only.

I can't remember the last time I swiped a card or the last time I signed for anything (you cannot sign for a transaction anymore, it's pin only). When paying for anything under $100, I just tap my card against the reader and the payment is authorised - don't even need a pin. On purchases greater than $100, I still tap my card on the reader but it asks for a pin.

It's way quicker than the older method and is already in widespread use in pretty much every developed country around the world.

You mean you can't use cash anymore???
 
Oh great. Yet Another proprietary service to have to sign up for...

I see your point, it does technically introduce an extra step.

A lot of people do use OpenTable to make a reservation though. And OpenTable has been already working on allowing people to pay their bills from their app for some time. ApplePay happened to come along, and they'll be supporting that too within their app. It's just another option. :)
 
Yes, an NFC enabled credit card, but it would use the traditional method of authorization with the back-end and not Visa's Tokenization Service or Mastercard DES (or at least I don't think so).

I really do think so. The idea of another static, hack-able identifier for these transactions is stop-gap at best.
 
apple must really be asking for quite the transaction fee for everyone to be so hesitant. They really like wielding their power.

Hesitancy is not in the transaction fees. Hesitancy for most companies is in the cost to convert to NFC terminals. Until a company sees a financial benefit they aren't going to spend money to update terminals that would not increase their revenue.
 
Well TB and FW flopped because they were just too expensive for too little benefit.

With ApplePay, Apple expects a cut of every transaction, it's more expensive than debit or credit processing. So what's in it for the retailers. Fanatics on this forum may take their business elsewhere. The average person will keep their plastic, in which case why should any retailer pay the Apple tax?

Apple's 1.5% is coming from the banks and payment networks, NOT the retailer. Here's the link to MacRumors own news post about it.
 
The one shopping place where I wished I could use my NFC payment is at Costco since they only accept cash debit or amex. Of Costco support NFC payments man that would !ake a difference. But just like apple Costco is all about profits there is no incentive to use NFC payments and especially not apple pay.

I think you're misunderstanding what Apple Pay is. Apple Pay is not a bank or another type of credit card. It merely provides a different way to pay with your existing cards, so if Costco ever started accepting NFC (and from a retailer standpoint, Apple Pay and NFC are the same thing, if you accept one you accept all), they would still only support AmEx via NFC payments.
 
Oh great. Yet Another proprietary service to have to sign up for...

my pref would be for the merchant to just direct me to their web page where I could pay. That way the merchant can select the best option for them to process the payments (e.g. PayPal, their bank, etc).
 
When the waiter brings a check, they certainly don't bring an NFC pad for you to tap your phone on to pay for your meal.

FWIW, with chip-and-PIN in Europe they bring a card reader with a keypad to you. You never have to give your card to anyone.

Which is far better than what we have here, where the waitress disappears for 5 minutes with your card, then comes back with a piece of paper for you to sign.

Just sayin'...
 
They have them turned off. Wanted to lower their support costs.

Since Andriod was the only system that supported them at the time I can see the justification of shutting them for lack of use. I know lots of mobile phone users that purchase Android just for the simple fact the devices are free and these are in no way tech savvy individuals. I can't see this type of user having any interest or utilization of NFC payments.
 
I'm not sure that having NFC hardware is enough. I think the retailer also needs to have some software changes to deal with passing tokens to the institution and such. So I think there will be NFC terminals that don't accept Apple Pay.

And you are correct.
 
What? :D

You think sit-down restaurants will completely change the way they do business and suddenly start bringing NFC terminals over to tables with the check just because Apple decided to put an NFC chip in their phone?

I wish I shared your unique sense of optimism.

A few restaurants where I live have NFC payment systems attached to the table, you can even reorder drinks through it and it has games on it for kids, pretty cool actually.
 
FWIW, with chip-and-PIN in Europe they bring a card reader with a keypad to you. You never have to give your card to anyone.

Which is far better than what we have here, where the waitress disappears for 5 minutes with your card, then comes back with a piece of paper for you to sign.

Just sayin'...

That is a valid point.
 
american express has been around forever and isnt accepted everywhere. what makes apple think it can come in and do an exponentially better job?


“We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone. PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in.”

November 16, 2006, Palm CEO, Ed Colligan
 
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