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Why has change always got to be a big deal in America. Here in Australia, not all but I'd say close to the majority of retailers have NFC pay pass machines already.
 
The timing is right.

american express has been around forever and isnt accepted everywhere. what makes apple think it can come in and do an exponentially better job?

The timing is right.
"As of October 2015, merchants that do not offer support for EMV credit cards (cards that contain integrated circuits to prevent fraud) will assume responsibility for any fraudulent transactions that take place."
 
That's ridiculous and not understanding one bit how NFC works.

Once you support NFC, you support NFC, and any payment method that Visa, Eurocard, AmEX allow will work. You _can't_ refuse Apple Pay.

And because Apple Pay is the safest method, fees that the merchants pay are _lowest_ for Apple Pay. Less safe methods cosst higher fees because of the higher risk of fraud.


your point is right, but incorrectly worded. NFC is a generic piece of technology for communication. you can support NFC technology and not have it be related to "payments".
 
I have a question. If a retailer accepts Apple Pay but doesn't accept American Express can you use your American Express through Apple pay? I don't understand enough to know who the payer is at that point.

Won't work.
Apple Pay is set up to be like the physical card is there. It is supposed to show up on your AmEx statement as a regular swiped purchase. For this reason, the merchant will have to accept AmEx. And this is why we'll be able to load up more than one card to our Passbook wallets.
 
IF they do require a change/update, its likely just a firmware upgrade and not a replacement of the machine. But I don't know if they'll even really need it.

It would be really nice to get some clarity on this. it's the kind of detail that can make or break ApplePay IMO.
 
It would be really nice to get some clarity on this. it's the kind of detail that can make or break ApplePay IMO.

Only the issuing bank need worry about this. To the merchant and their processor, the token looks like any other card. No upgrade needed.
 
We secure our credit card transactions with new forms of enhanced technology to safeguard our information but no one bothers to fix the social security card number fraud issues. I'd rather value my identity then worry about my credit card scammed at McDonalds.

So true, I can't believe there are duplicate SSN...
 
Well this is expected. It's one thing to create an easy way to make payments, it's another to ask business to insert and make space for a new machine and insert integration costs.
 
This is interesting and something I wasn't really aware of. I kind of assumed that Apple Pay, while using NFC, still needed special backend stuff to work.

If this is the case, moving forward should be possible and helped that installing NFC capabilities in stores isn't an Apple only thing.

-Kevin

Sheesh - haven't even read all the posts, but the title of this article irked me to no end. It should read, "Many Retailers Hesitant About Offering Support For NFC Payments"

:apple:Pay is simply an implementation of NFC contactless payment. By far the best one, but still adhering to the open technical standard of NFC.

The upside is, if the term :apple:Pay becomes synonymous with NFC payments, it could become the defacto term for it, like Google and Web search. ;)
 
Having been part of both Home Depot and Target breaches, I will not shop anywhere that doesn't take Apple Pay for significant purchases. I'm going back to checks and cash, I don't care how long it takes to write a check. Best Buy just doesn't want to upset Samsung.

You mean you won't shop at places that don't accept NFC payments as all will work. Not just Apple Pay.

Checks are the least secure way of paying.

Samsung has NOTHING to do with Best Buy not accepting NFC. They are going with a different standard. Plus, all of Samsung and other Android phones for that matter already can make NFC payments with Google Wallet.
 
I didn't know this. does this mean that all already installed NFC terminals will have to be replaced in order to work with ApplePay? if so that will definitely slow down its adoption greatly in countries such as Canada where NFC is already very common.

No, the terminals do not have to be replaced. Apple Pay uses standard NFC. However, the payment processor needs to implement "tokenization".

I wonder if the existing payment e-wallets from the Canadian banks implement tokenization or if more work will be required to support Apple Pay.

Here's more details about the tokenzation services:

http://newsroom.mastercard.com/2014...-service-mdes-making-digital-payments-happen/

http://usa.visa.com/clients-partners/technology-and-innovation/visa-token-service/index.jsp

I know that several banks in Canada are looking at Apple Pay, so its probably coming, but who knows how long before all the technical issues are worked out.
 
It would be really nice to get some clarity on this. it's the kind of detail that can make or break ApplePay IMO.

NO UPDATES OR CHANGES NEEDED FOR STANDARD NFC POS SYSTEMS TO ACCEPT :apple:PAY!!!!!

IF YOUR CARD ISSUER SUPPORTS :apple:PAY THEN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD THAT ACCEPTS NFC PAYMENTS AT A POS TERMINAL ACCEPTS YOUR CARD WHEN YOU USE :apple:PAY. PERIOD.
 
Speaking from experience of working in the retail marketing space, the single biggest reason why it'll be quite a long time before NFC/Apple Pay is ubiquitous, is because of cost. People seem to think it's as easy as flipping a switch to support a new payment format. It's not. It requires an upending of the point-of-sale infrastructure. Not that they shouldn't invest in the future, but it's an EXTREMELY expensive endeavor. It's tough enough for some retailers to even change the way their receipts print out. Changing the kinds of technologies they accept for payment...

We've got a long road ahead of us.
This is exactly it!
It's not that they don't want to, it's that is costs money, time and training.
Not to mention bookkeeping adoption.
Many businesses are still struggling to stay profitable and some need to answer costs to shareholder's. It's just gonna take time.
 
I've also noticed that while it seems a handful of major stores are going to support NFC and Apple Pay soon, no major sit-down restaurants are on that list.

None at all.

So those people here in the forums who will only patronize businesses that accept Apple Pay must not plan on going out to eat with their friends or family anytime soon.

When the waiter brings a check, they certainly don't bring an NFC pad for you to tap your phone on to pay for your meal.
 
IF YOUR CARD ISSUER SUPPORTS Apple PAY THEN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD THAT ACCEPTS NFC PAYMENTS AT A POS TERMINAL ACCEPTS YOUR CARD WHEN YOU USE Apple PAY. PERIOD.

Apple Pay is not standard Paywave or Paypass ... it requires tokenization. Unless the local payment network has that implemented, how will it work internationally?

Also, what's with the silly apple icons in your post.
 
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