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Well, but why wouldn't they just wait to pull the old encoding until after they finished the new one? Why have an "outage" in the interim?

This is Apple, when have they done any web services correctly. Amazon, Google, etc would have probably done it the way you mentioned, Apple on the other hand well, Thank Different (aka, we are stilling figuring out how to do web services right). :p;)
 
What?:eek: Samsung stopped making 4K Blu Ray players. That's gonna suck when I have to replace mine. I don't buy movies anymore but they make for the best streaming video players.

The home screen is just a simple, no BS, home screen. I just have the streaming services I subscribe to and nothing else. Unlike all the other streaming devices I've tried which clutter up the home screen with a bunch of ads for services I don't want or features I don't need. Most of which are non-removable. The worst being Amazon's Firestick then the Apple TV. Then ROKU putting ads as permanent buttons on the remote.

Here you go. You can still buy older models.

https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-to-stop-making-4k-blu-ray-players-report-says/
 
Maybe I am dumb, but I genuinely can't tell the difference between 1080 and 4K. I have a 4K TV, but apparently there are different versions of 4K.
 
As much as I love Apple, I despise the iTunes digital movies and music term and agreements. The term and agreement of digital purchases do not protect customers from the content providers taking away customer purchases. Apple puts the burden of purchase protection to customers by having their customers backing up to he purchases themselves to the customer devices. Apple digital customers are vulnerable of losing their digital purchases anytime the content providers deciding no longer allowing Apple digital buyers have their purchased contents and Apple does not protects their digital media customers by letting this happen.

In my opinion, Apple could do better jobs on protecting their customer purchases by backing up all customer digital purchases in their servers since they are the seller so the customers are protected from losing their purchases and are still able to access their purchases even after the content providers remove their items and if they truly care about their customers.
 
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As much as I love Apple, I despise the iTunes digital movies and music term and agreements. The term and agreement of digital purchases do not protect customers from the content providers taking away customer purchases. Apple puts the burden of purchase protection to customers by having their customers backing up to he purchases themselves to the customer devices. Apple digital customers are vulnerable of losing their digital purchases anytime the content providers deciding no longer allowing Apple digital buyers have their purchased contents and Apple does not protects their digital media customers by letting this happen.

In my opinion, Apple could do better jobs on protecting their customer purchases by backing up all customer digital purchases in their servers since they are the seller so the customers are protected from losing their purchases and are still able to access their purchases even after the content providers remove their items and if they truly care about their customers.

The purchases are already on Apple servers.

Calling it a backup wouldn't magically mean Apple had the relevant copyright permissions to do this. DRMed files from non-Apple sources wouldn't play anyway if the key servers are withdrawn by the seller.
 
From work in this network world, it could very well be somebody at Warner goofed, or they changed their delivery procedures and somebody remade all of those movies as 1024. It would take about a half-hour, with that big server iron.

Or, more likely, they want their own servers to have the 4K version. And if you want it on Apple or anywhere else, you pay for the "upgrade". Production is coming to the front to control their stream all the way. Cable should be relegated to a $10 a month gigabit connection. Wireless is coming. The problem soon will be trying to get unconnected.
 



Over the course of the last week or so, multiple Warner Bros movies that were previously available in 4K have reverted to HD, a change that applies to new purchases from iTunes as well as previously purchased movies.

There are complaints about the change both on Twitter and on the Blu-ray forums, as highlighted by 9to5Mac this afternoon. There are quite a few titles that have reverted from 4K to HD, including all of the Harry Potter movies.

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A Blu-ray forums user compiled a list of the known titles that have recently been downgraded from 4K to HD.

[*]22 Jump Street (2014)
[*]About Last Night
[*]Aloha (2015)
[*]American Sniper
[*]Annie (2014)
[*]Batman vs. Superman
[*]The Brothers Grimsby (2016)
[*]The Equalizer (2014)
[*]Fast & Furious 6 (2013)
[*]Ghostbusters II (1989)
[*]Goosebumps (2015)
[*]Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2 (2011)
[*]Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (2002)
[*]Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 1 (2010)
[*]Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005)
[*]Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (2009)
[*]Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007)
[*]Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001)
[*]Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004)
[*]Hercules (2014)
[*]Hitch (2005)
[*]Hotel Deluxe (2013)
[*]Matrix Reloaded
[*]The Matrix Revolutions (2003)
[*]Risen (2016)
[*]Spaceballs (1987)
[*]Taxi Driver (1976)
[*]Unforgiven (1993)
[*]The Walk (2015)
[*]X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014)

It's not clear why these movies are no longer available in 4K, but there have been instances where movies are downgraded to HD and then are later made available again in 4K, so we'll need to wait to see if that's the case here.

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One Apple support representative said that the downgrade was due to changes implemented by Warner Bros, which could potentially be accurate as that's often a reason why 4K availability shifts, but Apple support representatives don't always have the most up to date information.

Apple has been offering 4K movie titles from a range of different movie studios since the launch of the Apple TV 4K.

Update: This issue may be resolved as it appears many of the movies that were downgraded to HD are once again available in 4K.

Article Link: Many Warner Bros Movies Have Reverted to HD Instead of 4K on iTunes and in User Movie Libraries [Update]

Half of those titles don't benefit from 4K because the master copy even from the 35mm print is too soft to benefit.
 
4K is doomed because: The man in the street doesn't want 4K because he can't see the difference, doesn't want to pay the extra and simply can't understand the fuss. TV companies don't broadcast in 4k. Their attitude also did for 3D.
Only those who want to examine the tiny difference perhaps "visible" to close inspection on overpriced kit will miss 4K. My 27" monitor is 2.5k and more than enough.
 
I’m warning you, WB....I’m American....You touch my Harry Potter or X-Men:DOFP movies and I’ll sue.

lol... sure ya will..

But seriously, this is not just convenient.. This is *in*convenient.... I'd be ****** as well if i found all my HD movies were downgraded to SD.
 
So you were being sarcastic that it was sufficient for a POS TOS.

Not at all.

When Apple announced the Apple TV 4K and the ability to rent and purchase 4K movies, they noted that "iTunes users will get automatic upgrades of HD titles in their existing iTunes library to 4K HDR versions when they become available".

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/09/apple-tv-4k-brings-home-the-magic-of-cinema-with-4k-and-hdr/

Apple Media Services Terms and Conditions make no mention (that I can find via a search) of you being guaranteed any specific resolution for the content you purchase or rent:

https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html
 
Not at all.

When Apple announced the Apple TV 4K and the ability to rent and purchase 4K movies, they noted that "iTunes users will get automatic upgrades of HD titles in their existing iTunes library to 4K HDR versions when they become available".

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/09/apple-tv-4k-brings-home-the-magic-of-cinema-with-4k-and-hdr/

Apple Media Services Terms and Conditions make no mention (that I can find via a search) of you being guaranteed any specific resolution for the content you purchase or rent:

https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html

I don't think a press event qualifies as a disclaimer.

I don't think not saying something is the same as saying it.

I do think when I read "iTunes users will get automatic upgrades of HD titles in their existing iTunes library to 4K HDR versions when they become available" that means you now have a 4K copy - permanently. Nothing about that makes me think you lose it.
 
Spider Man Homecoming was originally marked as 4k. Mind you as noted here is wasn't actually but now it isn't even marked as such. Perhaps this was just Apple cleaning up but it's worth noting this isn't the first time Apple has made these adjustments, just the most high profile.

https://www.imore.com/many-4k-itunes-movies-upscaled-lower-resolutions

Sony produced and released Spider-man Homecoming along with Venom and these along with the previous Spider-man films are available in 4K. Disney have not released any of their films in 4K (on iTunes). It was rumoured that Thor Ragnarock would be the first title but this never happened. Likely due to Disney moving forward with their streaming service where they will be making the Marvel titles available in 4K.
 
Depends. Most times, 1080p Blu Ray still looks better than iTunes 4K. Most consumers just tend to buy into the hype.
Dark scenes and scenes involving snow really show up the weaknesses of 4K streaming with macro-blocking and/or banding which you just don't see on Blu Ray.

The H.265 codec uses a compression algorithm whereby a colour/shade is replaced with one of its nearest neighbours. This is called dithering. Sometimes its so aggressive that you get macro-blocking and banding. Other times, it's less noticeable but still there. I can usually tell by looking at the fabric of clothes - it usually looks a tad sharper on 1080p Blu Ray as opposed to 4K streams.

Think about it this way, a film compressed to a quarter of its original file size would indicate that overall, a 4-pixel cluster containing different shades would be replaced with a single shade. That is the equivalent of taking a 1080p film and upsampling it on a 4K screen whereby each individual pixel is now represented by 4 pixels...

For instance, Aquaman was one of the first 4K iTunes films to be cracked. It had a bitrate of 14.2 Mb/s with the H.265 codec. To convert that to the codec as used by Blu Ray (H.264), it would likely double its size and a tad more. Let's be generous and say that it's the equivalent of 35 to 40 Mb/s. Now if you were to go look at the bitrates for ripped Blu Ray remuxes (1:1 conversions), they tend to be 35 to 45 Mb/s.

TLDR: A bit-starved 4K stream is kind of like taking a 1080p Blu Ray and upsampling it on a UHD screen. Even though both pictures are still represented by 3840x2160 pixels, it doesn't really mean they are real 4K...

I get what you're saying, but my small sampling have shown me the following:

4K UltraHD Blu-ray beats 4K streaming and 1080p Blu-ray.
4K streaming the majority of time beats 1080p Blu-ray, and always beats 1080p streaming.
1080p Blu-ray beats 1080p streaming, though some titles are more negligible than others.

Audio on disc beats out audio streaming essentially every time, though some mixes may be negligible.

Bit-starvation can cause issues, but I have compared newer films with new 1080p Blu-ray releases, and the picture quality is still superior, but it's important to note that 4K streaming brings other things to the table than just resolution, like HDR.

In the case of older Blu-rays, some 4K films available via streaming have newer masters, using more high tech encoding and more experienced people doing the encoding, so the quality can be far superior than the 1080p Blu-rays.
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If you hadn't read the article, you probably would not have known about this problem, which persisted for only a few hours. So stop reading MacRumors-- it's bad for your blood pressure.

Or alternatively, keep reading MacRumors, but develop patience.

It was actually days, not hours, but again, it's not unusual for Apple to temporarily downgrade titles to HD. It's just fairly unusual for them to do so many at a time.
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Well, but why wouldn't they just wait to pull the old encoding until after they finished the new one? Why have an "outage" in the interim?

This is Apple, when have they done any web services correctly. Amazon, Google, etc would have probably done it the way you mentioned, Apple on the other hand well, Thank Different (aka, we are stilling figuring out how to do web services right). :p;)

I cannot speak for Google, but Amazon does occasionally remove UHD titles for periods of time, and usually removes them for longer periods of time than Apple. I've had multiple titles switch from UHD to HD on Amazon, sometimes for months at a time.
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Half of those titles don't benefit from 4K because the master copy even from the 35mm print is too soft to benefit.

There's a lot more to 4K than just the resolution.
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Only those who want to examine the tiny difference perhaps "visible" to close inspection on overpriced kit will miss 4K. My 27" monitor is 2.5k and more than enough.

I'm happy you're happy, but there's a lot more difference than a "tiny" bit even without close inspection, and you can buy some budget 4K TVs with HDR for a few hundred bucks, so the TVs are not really overpriced, especially considering how much I purchased my first HDTV for back over 10 years ago.
 
has anyone seen any more updates on this? I still have a few that are showing as HD and not 4k when they were 4K last week: Hunger Games being one, as well as Fast and Furious. Most of the ones named in the original list are all showing as 4K again...
 
has anyone seen any more updates on this? I still have a few that are showing as HD and not 4k when they were 4K last week: Hunger Games being one, as well as Fast and Furious. Most of the ones named in the original list are all showing as 4K again...

The first "Hunger Games" movie was downgraded like a month or so ago, and is unrelated to this past weekend's mass downgrades. It'll upgrade again. Just give it time.

Are you talking about "Fast And Furious", the fourth movie or "The Fast & Furious", the first movie? The first is showing 4K here for me, but the fourth one hasn't been upgraded to 4K yet. It's supposed to be released on 4K UltraHD Blu-ray next month though, so expect it to be upgraded on iTunes around the 11th of June.
 
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