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post the hardware price differences to make an iPad air 'pen ready'

Price differences between them are things like making the 9.7" display with the variable refresh rate and getting a company to make them in sufficient numbers. Any number I actually give you would be as much of a guess as IHS and likely ignored accordingly.
 
Price differences between them are things like making the 9.7" display with the variable refresh rate and getting a company to make them in sufficient numbers. Any number I actually give you would be as much of a guess as IHS and likely ignored accordingly.
then like you said: "I don't think you have a grasp on reality" neither
 
Who the heck wants that tiny phone this day in age ? The regular 6S is already way too small for a phone in 2015.
My hands haven't grown since 2007 and the iPhone 6 was already too big for them last year. Why would a new year mean bigger phones, when laptops are still shrinking?
Apple held off on the larger phones longer than anyone. It became clear that given the choice, most people want larger phones. Not saying there isn't a market for smaller ones, but it's understandable why it hasn't been Apple's priority.
It has been their priority and then they changed priorities for no good reason and without explanation. Reachability is a bad joke on users and the new power button position is a confession of failure. The iPhone 6 doesn't work as a single-handed device anymore and then they supersized it with the Plus into phablet category. Like as if Apple is the new Samsung now?

PS: Also I predict the iPad Air 3 for October not March and without Apple Pencil support. Once they've decided something is a pro-feature it tends to stay a pro-feature.
 
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then like you said: "I don't think you have a grasp on reality" neither

I can only go by the fact that an iPad that costs 800$ and up isn't likely to go for 600. And if they did what people here seem to want, that'd be pretty much what they'd be doing.
 
My hands haven't grown since 2007 and the iPhone 6 was already too big for them last year. Why would a new year mean bigger phones, when laptops are still shrinking?
It has been their priority and then they changed priorities for no good reason and without explanation. Reachability is a bad joke on users and the new power button position is a confession of failure. The iPhone 6 doesn't work as a single-handed device anymore and then they supersized it with the Plus into phablet category. Like as if Apple is the new Samsung now?

PS: Also I predict the iPad Air 3 for October not March and without Apple Pencil support. Once they've decided something is a pro-feature it tends to stay a pro-feature.

People clearly find larger phones appealing, and thus there was a clear reason to shift their priority. Sales data showed an increase in sales of larger phones including so-called phablets as tablet sales began to decrease. One handed usability has become less important than screen real estate for an increasing number of users as phones become computers in their own right.

You can deny this, but let's assume that Apple and every other smartphone maker has access to more complete and comprehensive market research than you or I, and thus didn't make the shift based on anecdotal information. By all accounts, while not out selling the 6, the 6+ sold even more than Apple anticipated.

I also see no problem with the location of the power button. It would be awful on top given the dimensions of the larger phones. Android phone makers realized that right away. Face it, the times have changed and a 4" smartphone is never going to be a flagship again anymore than a flip phone will be. Just be happy that Apple is doing something for the people who want a smaller phone.
 
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Please give me iPad Air 3 with pencil support. My iPad Air 2 is still great and is very fast for everything I do, adding true stylus support makes it the perfect tablet IMO
 
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Still no sign of MacBook Pro... I finally lost patience and went with XPS 13.. They already have Skylakes in them.. When Apple does put them in the MacBook Pros, they are going to be 3-4 months old.. Not that it makes them outdated, but Apple might loose some customers by then.. But then again they are the only company that has seen rise in sales.
 
kewl... a Special Edition iPhone :)


What else could it stand for... *waits for everyone to jump in*
 
YES! I want to upgrade my 3 year old 15" MBPr!

I don't really understand why anyone would need to upgrade a 3 year old MBP, Mine from 2012 isn't that much slower than the current one. It's only one processor generation behind and only 2 gpu upgrades since. The only upgrade that actually makes it noticeably faster is the storage. Computers aren't getting faster like they used to. My 2012 model is 3 years old now too, and I can't see any reason to buy a new one yet.
 
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Still no sign of MacBook Pro... I finally lost patience and went with XPS 13.. They already have Skylakes in them.. When Apple does put them in the MacBook Pros, they are going to be 3-4 months old.. Not that it makes them outdated, but Apple might loose some customers by then.. But then again they are the only company that has seen rise in sales.

Was that really a good idea going for the XPS? Sure it has skylake, but I'd say the last generation rMBP is still a much better bang for your buck. Plus it will probably last a whole lot longer than any Dell.
 
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People clearly find larger phones appealing, and thus there was a clear reason to shift their priority. Sales data showed an increase in sales of larger phones including so-called phablets as tablet sales began to decrease.
And that's why, when Steve Jobs returned to Apple and sales data showed an increase in sales of Windows-PCs, he scrapped Mac OS, made Apple a Microsoft-OEM and never ran a Think Different campaign. And everyone lived happily ever after and sang "the market is always right".
One handed usability has become less important than screen real estate for an increasing number of users as phones become computers in their own right.
iPhones have always been computers in their own right. That's why they exist, that's why they've been worth their price all along. People back in 2007 wanted large screens as much as they want them today. And they have been limited by the size of their hands as we are today. We got the same hands. We are the people from 2007.
You can deny this, but let's assume that Apple and every other smartphone maker has access to more complete and comprehensive market research than you or I, and thus didn't make the shift based on anecdotal information.
Steve famously stated: "We do no market research." and he liked to quote Henry Ford: "If I'd have asked my customers what they wanted, they would have told me "A faster horse."" Apple once knew, there is no one to ask, what is right or wrong, you've got to trust your intuition. Eventually the world will come around and share your ideal or mock it as an reality distortion field.
By all accounts, while not out selling the 6, the 6+ sold even more than Apple anticipated.
Which is of no importance. Androids sell in way larger numbers, so Samsung must be right about smartphones, don't they? Apple says they want to make the best, not the most. So is an redicoulous large phone a better phone, why?
I also see no problem with the location of the power button. It would be awful on top given the dimensions of the larger phones.
Helpless workarounds do not change the awful dimensions. The root problem is not solved, only admitted.
Face it, the times have changed and a 4" smartphone is never going to be a flagship again anymore than a flip phone will be.
What does flagship even mean in this context? A size is not a technology. Is the 6+ more flagship than the 6, because it has optical image stabilization? And is anyone going to buy a size which doesn't fit because of a flag?
Just be happy that Apple is doing something for the people who want a smaller phone.
I want a smaller phone with a better grip and actual top icon reachability, I don't want a smaller screen or a slower processor or any other old stuff they might want to sell me. Remember, they said they always want to build the best. I'll give them a certain amount of leeway, because it's a smaller design and likely a lower price point. But don't think you can make me happy with a size alone. If I find other flaws, I'll name them all. And be it just this unbelievable name. How do you even advertise a 5se in the year of the iPhone 7. This rumor is bogus!
 
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And that's why, when Steve Jobs returned to Apple and sales data showed an increase in sales of Windows-PCs, he scrapped Mac OS, made Apple a Microsoft-OEM and never ran a Think Different campaign. And everyone lived happily ever after and sang "the market is always right".
iPhones have always been computers in their own right. That's why they exist, that's why they've been worth their price all along. People back in 2007 wanted large screens as much as they want them today. And they have been limited by the size of their hands as we are today. We got the same hands. We are the people from 2007.
Steve famously stated: "We do no market research." and he liked to quote Henry Ford: "If I'd have asked my customers what they wanted, they would have told me "A faster horse."" Apple once knew, there is no one to ask, what is right or wrong, you've got to trust your intuition. Eventually the world will come around and share your ideal or mock it as an reality distortion field.
Which is of no importance. Androids sell in way larger numbers, so Samsung must be right about smartphones, don't they? Apple says they want to make the best, not the most. So is an redicoulous large phone a better phone, why?
Helpless workarounds do not change the awful dimensions. The root problem is not solved, only admitted.
What does flagship even mean in this context? A size is not a technology. Is the 6+ more flagship than the 6, because it has optical image stabilization? And is anyone going to buy a size which doesn't fit because of a flag?
I want a smaller phone with a better grip and actual top icon reachability, I don't want a smaller screen or a slower processor or any other old stuff they might want to sell me. Remember, they said they always want to build the best. I'll give them a certain amount of leeway, because it's a smaller design and likely a lower price point. But don't think you can make me happy with a size alone. If I find other flaws, I'll name them all. And be it just this unbelievable name. How do you even advertise a 5se in the year of the iPhone 7. This rumor is bogus!

That's all very nice, but the simple truth is that you are in the minority that wants a smaller phone, and as soon as an Apple user finds themselves in the minority they start talking about how Steve Jobs never listened to the majority... Which is neither true nor relevant.

As for what "flagship" means, I think that should be pretty obvious. When I say there won't be a 4" flagship I mean that it won't be the device with the best specs, the latest generation internals, the one that is marketed to the mainstream rather than a niche. Is the 6s+ the flagship rather than the 6 because of the better camera? No, I'd say that there're BOTH part of Apple's flagship line. Compare their status to that of the 5s/5c launch if you don't understand the difference between flagship and a niche device. Phones smaller than 4.5" are now a niche. I don't think that we'll be seeing a phone that small that offers top of the lines specs again.

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To address the point that iPhones have always been computers, that's true, but what has happened since 2007 is that their functionality and people's dependence on them has increased greatly, and the world has also been introduced to tablets. People use and expect their phones to do more, and a 4" display which also acts at the input area is more of a limitation that the requirement to use a second hand for most people.
 
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If all the Air 3 gets is a specs bump I am beginning to be disappointed with the iPad in general.Apple should focus more on the OS itself expanding functionality as nothing on the App Store even causes my Air 2 to break a sweat

This is my biggest issue with ipad air as well. It's a fantastic peice of hardware but it is limited by the software it runs. iOS is too limiting.
 
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And that's why, when Steve Jobs returned to Apple and sales data showed an increase in sales of Windows-PCs, he scrapped Mac OS, made Apple a Microsoft-OEM and never ran a Think Different campaign. And everyone lived happily ever after and sang "the market is always right".
iPhones have always been computers in their own right. That's why they exist, that's why they've been worth their price all along. People back in 2007 wanted large screens as much as they want them today. And they have been limited by the size of their hands as we are today. We got the same hands. We are the people from 2007.
Steve famously stated: "We do no market research." and he liked to quote Henry Ford: "If I'd have asked my customers what they wanted, they would have told me "A faster horse."" Apple once knew, there is no one to ask, what is right or wrong, you've got to trust your intuition. Eventually the world will come around and share your ideal or mock it as an reality distortion field.
Which is of no importance. Androids sell in way larger numbers, so Samsung must be right about smartphones, don't they? Apple says they want to make the best, not the most. So is an redicoulous large phone a better phone, why?
Helpless workarounds do not change the awful dimensions. The root problem is not solved, only admitted.
What does flagship even mean in this context? A size is not a technology. Is the 6+ more flagship than the 6, because it has optical image stabilization? And is anyone going to buy a size which doesn't fit because of a flag?
I want a smaller phone with a better grip and actual top icon reachability, I don't want a smaller screen or a slower processor or any other old stuff they might want to sell me. Remember, they said they always want to build the best. I'll give them a certain amount of leeway, because it's a smaller design and likely a lower price point. But don't think you can make me happy with a size alone. If I find other flaws, I'll name them all. And be it just this unbelievable name. How do you even advertise a 5se in the year of the iPhone 7. This rumor is bogus!

Hmmmm,,,, Who Cares?... What a waste of time,, to really take the time to write your thesis. What does this all matter? They are making a 4" phone,,, FACT... It will either have the A8 or A9 processor, NFC support for Apple Pay, an 8-megapixel rear camera. Is there something else you need?... Validation that you have the Best,, Validation that Apple is not looking out for you?.. What,,,?.. Your wish has been granted,, you are getting it... And,,, I am also getting one,, I am one who is waiting for this 4" phone. But coming out here to validate how this is the way it should be... Really?
[doublepost=1453614219][/doublepost]And,,, if I have to hear an argument on how 32gb should be the new Base Model I think I'll shoot myself.

THAT IS NEVER HAPPENING‼︎! That would completely Cannibalize all other size models. You want that to happen?,,, tell the Millions of people that buy iPhones to stop making the 16gb the Number 1 seller. Not by a little mind you,, but not even close. Business wise,,, that would be suicide.
 
Did iPad 4's release make your iPad 3 do less stuff? Would iPad Air 3 make your iPad Air 2 work less well?

It just made me buy the outdated tech. by few months for the same price. My tablet will also be phased out by apps supported in the future much sooner, and will decrease its resale value. I am also going to miss the new features that I could benefited from---for the same price.
 
See my signature :)

There is always a new model coming soon. So ideally you should never buy anything because the next model will be faster, have new features... and become outdated and lose resale value because of the next next model.
 
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It just made me buy the outdated tech. by few months for the same price. My tablet will also be phased out by apps supported in the future much sooner, and will decrease its resale value. I am also going to miss the new features that I could benefited from---for the same price.

But for that difference in price you got to use it for that time period between buying it and the next release.

Your theory that you have missed out on features relies on Apple having the tech for the upgrade nailed down and perfected, then held back just to piss you off. It's pretty ridiculous

Do you live in a house? What if one day we all leave for Mars and your resale price plummets.
 
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That's all very nice, but the simple truth is that you are in the minority that wants a smaller phone
The majority buys Android phones and the majority of Apple customers buys the smallest current iPhone. Everything else is just happening in your head.
as soon as an Apple user finds themselves in the minority they start talking about how Steve Jobs never listened to the majority
You got to stop with this majority/minority nonsense. The truth is about right or wrong not more or less. You wouldn't be an Apple customer, if you cared about what most other people buy. Mac users never were in the majority. Steve Jobs is the crown witness for both what Apple should do but doesn't as well as for why what they do is absolutely right as it is. You are just too busy to argue with Steve, because you're totally consumed in your majority is always right thinking.
When I say there won't be a 4" flagship I mean that it won't be the device with the best specs, the latest generation internals, the one that is marketed to the mainstream rather than a niche.
The best specs device is also the most expensive one and therefore the niche, the mainstream usually buys the cheapest new Apple device available. For years the 13-inch was Apples best-selling MacBook Pro not the better specs 15 or 17-inch. Your definition of flagship doesn't match reality. If you're trying to say, current technology sells better than last years technology, that's true but has no relation to size. As I said, sizes aren't technology, they do not age.
Is the 6s+ the flagship rather than the 6 because of the better camera? No, I'd say that there're BOTH part of Apple's flagship line.
So offer a third size and it will be equally flagship, even if it lacks some features.
Compare their status to that of the 5s/5c launch if you don't understand the difference between flagship and a niche device.
The 5c was a repackaged 5, last years phone in a new coat. And because of the 64-bit transition it was a horrible offer at just $100 off. I liked the design though. Today there is no last years 4-inch phone, they got to build a new one from scratch. Will they use four year old display technology only to not make it flagship? I don't think so!
Phones smaller than 4.5" are now a niche. I don't think that we'll be seeing a phone that small that offers top of the lines specs again.
Then we won't see such a phone at all. The size might not be obsolete but the technology is. They got to make everything new, the display, the battery, the motherboard. There is no point in designing a new component with old specs. It's something different when you keep selling last years technology unchanged. But if you got to put effort in it, you make everything new.

Take for example the iPad mini 4 (A8) versus the iPad Air 2 (A8X). The mini has a slower processor, a smaller battery and less room for heat dissipation, but that's all just consequence of it's size. Everything else is completely top specification now. There is no point in purposefully crippling smaller devices. There is an iPad mini 2 for sale as a non-flagship option.
 
Well I'm still using an ipad 4 so I'm all for upgrading to a new ipad for once. Splitscreen/PiP will be most usefull and just the general stuff of being lighter (normally I don't care to much but when there are multiple generations difference the weight differnce becomes much bigger) and yada yada.

Prob no touch but who knows if the next one will have that, and if it does how many games and apps will truly make use of it before I upgraded again.
 
Won't it be ironic if the iPad Air 3 got force touch and touch-ID V2 while the iPad Pro were still stuck on older hardware? I am hoping that demand for the iPhone 6S has normalised somewhat, freeing up supply of these parts for other iOS devices.
 
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