March Launch for Slightly Thicker iPad 3? iPhone with 4-Inch Screen in Summer?

[Icaras]

You are forgetting that especially Steve Jobs was obsessed with thinner devices. Now Tim Cook is in charge, and who knows what he likes...

No I didn't forget that and I took that into consideration. However Johnny Ives is still the designer, and he was regarded to have had the most power in the company behind Steve. Don't forget that Steve also left a road map for the company 4 years into the future.

 

[qrayg]

A 4" screen on a phone is still too small by today's standards where almost all high-end phone now are 4.3" - 4.6". I'd love to see at LEAST a 4.3" screen on the next iPhone with less of a bezel.

Tony

So let me get this straight...

1. You want the dpi lower so the text and graphics look more pixelated/stretched?

2. You don't want your phone to fit in a normal pocket comfortably.

3. You want your palm and fingers on your holding-hand to constantly be touching the screen and messing with the accuracy?

The 3.5" screen is that size for a reason. If they make it bigger without changing the res to exactly double then all of the existing apps will look either stretched or the exact same size as they were on the 3.5" screen thereby making the larger screen completely useless. Apple will not make a screen that makes all of the apps look like crappy Android apps.

I've come to the conclusion that the people that use these boards are completely brain dead.

 

[Icaras]

So let me get this straight...

1. You want the dpi lower so the text and graphics look more pixelated/stretched?

2. You don't want your phone to fit in a normal pocket comfortably.

3. You want your palm and fingers on you holding-hand to constantly be touching the screen and messing with the accuracy?

The 3.5" screen is that size for a reason. If they make it bigger without changing the res to exactly double then all of the existing apps will look either stretched or the exact same size as they were on the 3.5" screen thereby making the larger screen completely useless. Apple will not make a screen that makes all of the apps look like crappy Android apps.

I've come to the conclusion that the people that use these boards are completely brain dead.

Exactly. You nailed the strong points nicely.

Apple wins with best battery life and highest dpi for a good reason. I've also seen my friend's HTC Evo and jesus, was it unwieldly.

Folks tend to get too dazzled by the "bigger is better" idea, that they forget to think of all the other benefits that come with a smaller screen. I've seen customers at electronic stores get fooled by buying bigger TV sets with lower picture quality and ones that buy worse speakers because it simply is louder.

Just because your amp goes to 11 doesn't mean make it high end.

 

[PeterQVenkman]

I've come to the conclusion that the people that use these boards are completely brain dead.

Or just plain rude, right?

 

[osx11]

I just can't imagine Apple going the other way in terms of thickness. It's just absolutely against their philosophy, no matter how magical the technology may be.

Now that the Amazon Fire is out, I'd like to think Apple will strive even harder to get the weight of the iPad as low as they can go. I'd really like to see a 1 lb iPad.

You don't understand the Apple philosophy. It's not making thin products. It's making the best products possible. If it increases the thickness by .0276 inches - then so be it. You won't notice. Apple doesn't really care about the competition as much as you think.

For instance, Jobs was asked as to why the iPad does't support flash. He said, at the time, that it was old technology that didn't allow Apple to establish the best user experience possible. Would flash support have resulted in increased sales number? - probably. But that's not Apple's focus.

Also, if you're trying to compare the Kindle Fire to the iPad, you are disrespecting the Apple brand. The Kindle Fire is a small, slow, overpriced gadget with which you buy Amazon content - nothing else.

 

[Icaras]

You don't understand the Apple philosophy. It's not making thin products. It's making the best products possible. If it increases the thickness by .0276 inches - then so be it. You won't notice. Apple doesn't really care about the competition as much as you think.

For instance, Jobs was asked as to why the iPad does't support flash. He said, at the time, that it was old technology that didn't allow Apple to establish the best user experience possible.

I think I understand it well enough. Look at their history of the evolution of Apple products. It is obviously in their DNA that the miniaturization and the minimization of product design = better products experience for customers. You can't deny that that is one of their core beliefs.

 

[TMay]

OK - Just thinking out loud:

If Apple builds a "retina display" iPad - meaning one with the same pixel density as the iPhone4 (326PPI) and double the pixels of today's iPad (1024px x 768px ->2048px x1536px) that would equate to a form factor with a screen diagonal of about 7.8"...

On the other hand, if they build a new hi-res iPad comparable to this iPhone5 rumored size (4" @ 960px x 640px) or 300PPI - that would mean an iPad3 with a diagonal of 8.5"...

Either way - we're looking at an iPad high res that's smaller than today... I, for some reason, seem to think that Apple will push towards 300PPI on both devices and we'll wind up with that 8.5" tablet.

Do the math! - I really want hi res screens and feel the current iPad is a bit too bulky. I hope I prove right!

Nope. It will be the same diagonal as today, with 4 times the resolution, and within "Retina" specs due to the viewing distance being a bit farther away.

Either way, I'm buying an iPad 3, which will be my first iPad.

Still, give me an iPad 4 with A7, 4G and TB to that I can connect a TB Display and I'll be on track for some severe debt.

 

[Tones2]

So let me get this straight...

1. You want the dpi lower so the text and graphics look more pixelated/stretched?

2. You don't want your phone to fit in a normal pocket comfortably.

3. You want your palm and fingers on you holding-hand to constantly be touching the screen and messing with the accuracy?

The 3.5" screen is that size for a reason. If they make it bigger without changing the res to exactly double then all of the existing apps will look either stretched or the exact same size as they were on the 3.5" screen thereby making the larger screen completely useless. Apple will not make a screen that makes all of the apps look like crappy Android apps.

I've come to the conclusion that the people that use these boards are completely brain dead.

Ya - that "reason" is that Apple made that way, I guess, so it must be right.

Look around you - EVERYONE has big size screen phones that don't have iPhone. Have you actually USED a phone like the Samsung Galaxy s2 or the other 100 phone that ae similar? They are NOT too big or clumsy to use - they fit easily into a pocket and easy to hold with one hand and it's easy not interfere with the screen. There are more users of 4.3"+ screen phones (combined) then there are users of iPhone - I guess you are saying that ALL of these people are brain dead. I guess it's OK to do that, but those people certainly think that us users of a 3.5" screen in this day and age must also be brain dead, so we'd be even.

That said - it's definitely a personal preference. I don't see why having a larger screen for those who prefer a larger screen (understanding the trade-offs involved) is a bad thing. I myself would sacrifice slightly less pixel density for a larger screen to view video on.

I'm not sure why Apple just don't make two sizes of phone. I can't see why this "fragments' the marketplace in any way as they both run the same iOS version and are both controlled by Apple. Different size Macbook's don't fragment the marketplace, why would different size (just TWO) phones? Other manufactures like Samsung and HTC put out numerous simultaneous phone.

Boy you fanboys......talk about braindead......

Tony

 

[B.A.T]

iLounge also predicted the iPad mini well over a year ago.

 

[osx11]

I think I understand it well enough. Look at their history of the evolution of Apple products. It is obviously in their DNA that the miniaturization and the minimization of product design = better products experience for customers. You can't deny that that is one of their core beliefs.

You still don't get it. Was the first generation iPad really that bad because it was 50% thicker than the iPad 2. At some point, Apple will realize that there are limits as to how thin you can make a product. For instance, the current iPod touch model can really not get any thinner without some ridiculous battery breakthrough. If apple wants to add features, it might very well become a couple mm thicker. Who cares?

 

[Icaras]

That said - it's definitely a personally preference.

Ok without getting into the "fanboy" argument here, I'll pinpoint to the specific quote you said.

You say "personal preference".

The iPhone is best selling phone of all time, with successive each generation.

The accumulated number of "personal preferences" from customers say that they like 3.5" screens more. In other words: People want and like the 3.5" iPhone enough, that they buy it.

 

[wrkactjob]

The new iPhone from now on will always look like the old iPhone.

 

[Cougarcat]

What's with this constant Blu Ray request? Physical media is ancient history. Thumb drives have similar cost/GB than Blu Ray disks, can hold more data, are compatable with most every computer on the market, are rewritable, are faster, and more durable. Plus, you don't have to spend a fortune on a dick drive to record them.

Thumb drives are ideal for storage, but what about my Blu-Ray movies? Before you say, "iTunes," if you want the best quality, blu-ray is the only option.

Physical media won't go away until broadband becomes significantly faster and ubiquitous. Games and movies will never be offered on thumb drives because they are too expensive.

That said, Blu-Ray on a laptop that isn't 1080p is pretty much pointless.

The calm was nice while it lasted, but I guess it's about time this started up again.

There wasn't really any calm. There was that rumor soon after the 4S came out that Apple was thinking of releasing the iPhone 5, but decided to go with the 4S because it wasn't quite perfect.

 

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iLounge offers a series of tidbits from its "most reliable source" regarding Apple's product plans for 2012, reporting that the iPad, iPhone, and MacBook Pro will all be receiving redesigns.

- iPad: The source indicates that the iPad 3 is planned to launch in March and that it will be approximately 0.7 mm thicker than the iPad 2 due to the need to incorporate a dual light bar system for the higher-resolution display. The iPad 2 currently checks in 8.8 mm thick, which would make the iPad 3 approximately 8% thicker than the iPad 2 but still substantially thinner than the 13.4 mm original iPad.

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Previous "iPhone 5" mockup based on leaked case designs​

- iPhone: iLounge's source claims that the next-generation will not resemble the teardrop "iPhone 5" design that circulated ahead of the iPhone 4S introduction last month. The next iPhone is, however, said to carry a 4-inch display (up from 3.5 inches in the current iPhone) and be 8 mm longer than the current form factor. Apple is said to be targeting a summer launch for the device, which would mark a short interval from the iPhone 4S launch last month.

- MacBook Pro: The source indicates that 2012 will indeed see the launch of a thinner MacBook Pro form factor, barring any last-minute problems. We've been hearing for some time that Apple has been finishing up work on just such a redesign, although the company did sneak in one last minor refresh using the current form factor just last month. Recent reports have claimed that an ultra-thin 15" Mac notebook, whether it be a MacBook Pro or MacBook Air, is on target for a March launch with small volumes of components already making their way through the supply chain.

Article Link: March Launch for Slightly Thicker iPad 3? iPhone with 4-Inch Screen in Summer?

you already predicted the iPhone 5 for Fall 2011 and an iPad 3 with Retina Display

stop trolling with your ridiculous rumors..

 

[Tones2]

Ok without getting into the "fanboy" argument here, I'll pinpoint to the specific quote you said.

You say "personal preference".

The iPhone is best selling phone of all time, with successive each generation.

The accumulated number of "personal preferences" from customers say that they like 3.5" screens more. In other words: People want and like the 3.5" iPhone enough, that they buy it.

"All time" has no relevence, as it's only in the past year that large screen have been commercially viable.

Android phone in TOTAL outsell the iPhone by a wide margin, and a good percentage of those phones are 4.3"+ screen phones. If you are comparing "screen size" sales, that's the relevent data. I do not know what the best selling screen size is, but neither do you.

I'm tied to the Apple ecosystem otherwise I would have switched long ago JUST for a larger screen size. But I'm hoping instead Apple get's on board with something LARGER than 4", at least as an option.

Tony

 

[Icaras]

You still don't get it. Was the first generation iPad really that bad because it was 50% thicker than the iPad 2. At some point, Apple will realize that there are limits as to how thin you can make a product. For instance, the current iPod touch model can really not get any thinner without some ridiculous battery breakthrough. If apple wants to add features, it might very well become a couple mm thicker. Who cares?

Sales numbers don't lie. The iPad 2 = thinner, and also sold more than the first one. The iPhone has also gotten thinner over the years and sales are even higher with each release.

I'd say that it is part of Apple's philosophy that a thinner device contributes to a better product, as evidenced by higher sales numbers. Obviously, customers like it, right?

 

[iCrizzo]

Only 4"?

thats what she said.

 

[TMay]

Ya - that "reason" is that Apple made that way, I guess, so it must be right.

Look around you - EVERYONE has big size screen phones that don't have iPhone. Have you actually USED a phone like the Samsung Galaxy s2 or the other 100 phone that ae similar? They are NOT too big or clumsy to use - they fit easily into a pocket and easy to hold with one hand and it's easy not interfere with the screen. There are more users of 4.3"+ screen phones (combined) then there are users of iPhone - I guess you are saying that ALL of these people are brain dead. I guess it's OK to do that, but those people certainly think that us users of a 3.5" screen in this day and age must also be brain dead, so we'd be even.

That said - it's definitely a personal preference. I don't see why having a larger screen for those who prefer a larger screen (understanding the trade-offs involved) is a bad thing. I myself would sacrifice slightly less pixel density for a larger screen to view video on.

I'm not sure why Apple just don't make two sizes of phone. I can't see why this "fragments' the marketplace in any way as they both run the same iOS version and are both controlled by Apple. Different size Macbook's don't fragment the marketplace, why would different size (just TWO) phones? Other manufactures like Samsung and HTC put out numerous simultaneous phone.

Boy you fanboys......talk about braindead......

Tony

I was born in an era of tailfins, I lived through bellbottoms, and I lived through the boombox era. What part of that do you want to recreate?.

I myself await smartphones the size of boomboxes with tailfins. Primal urge. Can't put a finger on it...

 

[jozero]

I hope Apple doesn't get 'Newtoned' with the iPad. Newton was pretty great and leader in its field initially, but all they kept doing was releasing higher end models. Palm came along with a 'just the basics, just what you need' device and ate the Newtons lunch.

As a tech head I'd love to see an iPad with a retina display. It would be great for reading. Anyone else I know though with an iPad loves it, I've never heard one person say 'man I wish this had a retina display'.

What would be ideal is this retina display model is released and the current iPad 2 is kept around and drops in price. There is hope with the 3GS being kept around, though I don't understand why their isn't a cheaper iPod Touch without the higher rez display.

Tim Cook said he wouldn't leave a price umbrella for competitors to sneak under. I hope that actually happens.

 

[Icaras]

"All time" has no relevence, as it's only in the past year that large screen have been commercially viable.

Android phone in TOTAL outsell the iPhone by a wide margin, and a good percentage of those phones are 4.3"+ screen phones. If you are comparing "screen size" sales, that's the relevent data. I do not know what the best selling screen size is, but neither do you.

Tony

That's a tough comparison to make though, since there is only one Apple and one iPhone, and a boat load of Android phone manufacturers, and a million Android handsets across every carrier in the world.

 

[AppleScruff1]

0.7mm thicker. Oh the humanity!

A definite deal breaker.

 

[jpmcnown]

So let me get this straight...

1. You want the dpi lower so the text and graphics look more pixelated/stretched?

I've come to the conclusion that the people that use these boards are completely brain dead.

The HTZ Rezound Android has a 4.3" display that is 341 pixels per inch, your precious 3.5" iPhone Retina display is only 326.

I've come to the conclusion that iPhone users on these boards are incapable of doing research without Siri.

 

[osx11]

Sales numbers don't lie. The iPad 2 = thinner, and also sold more than the first one. The iPhone has also gotten thinner over the years and sales are even higher with each release.

I'd say that it is part of Apple's philosophy that a thinner device contributes to a better product, as evidenced by higher sales numbers. Obviously, customers like it, right?

Time will tell. Because according to your own words, it the next iPad is thicker, it won't sell as good as the current model.

 

[StyxMaker]

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For the record, It wont be called an iPhone 5.. it will be called the iPhone 6.. Can't believe people still call it that..

Why iPhone 6? Apple has already demonstrated they don't care if the Model numbers match either the OS version or the generation numbers.

 

[Tones2]

That's a tough comparison to make though, since there is only one Apple and one iPhone, and a boat load of Android phone manufacturers, and a million Android handsets across every carrier in the world.

It's the only RELEVANT conparison, though, when the argument is that people prefer 3.5" phones to 4.3"+ phones based on sales, for which the data probably doesn't exist.

Tony