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FB has the best VR headset with Oculus, hands down. They will certainly deliver AR before Apple will, because they exponentially more experience in the field, and we all know Apple has messed with AR for a long time without delivering. Keep in mind FB will deliver a $299 product, and Apple will deliver a $1499 product.
Except the Quest is VR not AR, they bought the company that made it, and their plans for glasses are clearly not in the $200 range. The first glasses, according to this article, will be for early adopters, and they'll come in 2024 and require an external processing hardware unit. So it's a bit premature to speculate on the price, or what Apple will or will not do by 2024.

The iPhone currently does AR via the camera. It's integrated into the OS, and it'll be more integrated as of this WWDC because "RealityOS" has been found in code for the App Store and developers.

Let's wait until someone gets the first pair of glasses out the door before we decide who did it first.
 
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FB has the best VR headset with Oculus, hands down. They will certainly deliver AR before Apple will, because they exponentially more experience in the field, and we all know Apple has messed with AR for a long time without delivering. Keep in mind FB will deliver a $299 product, and Apple will deliver a $1499 product.
Keep in mind that so-called smartphones at various price points existed long before 2007 and iPhone was one of the most expensive phones in the world at launch. Various aspects of it was in development for almost a decade before coming out (and Apple had their share of false starts with the Rokr), so a long incubation period isn’t really an indicator of failure either.

The Occulus is still largely a viewer for VR content and games. As a stand-alone it still doesn’t do much, especially when it comes to AR. And while the hardware is pretty good for VR arguably Apple has the upper hand in the number of quality AR apps through ARKit. It’s still too early to tell what company will introduce the defining ecosystem for the XR paradigm if that ever comes.
 
Who besides a bunch of nerds and dorks is going to wear these glasses outside of the their home. It's also beyond unlikely everyone will have their own. Facebook has failed at the few things they tried to sell and this will be another. Apple, Samsung, Google and others will leave them in the dust.
 
They're the same; squeeze every penny they can out of their customers.

You think Apple is some kind of saint?
Neither company are saints, but the difference is that with Apple you are the customer, while FB’s customer are companies that buy ads through their platforms.

That inherent difference in profit motive will define product design decisions. Apple will try to make products that will squeeze money out of consumers, while FB will be trying to make products that can extract the most amount of data out of users so they can squeeze more money out of advertisers.
 
Who besides a bunch of nerds and dorks is going to wear these glasses outside of the their home. It's also beyond unlikely everyone will have their own.
People said the same about smart watches and fitbits but 5 years later everyone seemed to be wearing one on their wrist.
 
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The smartphone replaced our existing phones. The smartwatch more or less replaced our old watches.

These glasses aren't going to replace our existing glasses. I still need to use them to see.
 
Meta's first-generation AR glasses, dubbed Nazare, will be designed to work independently from a smartphone with the use of a wireless, phone-shaped device that offloads part of the computing required for the glasses to function.
Already dead in the water if you need to essentially carry a second phone sized device everywhere.

Meta intends to deliver the first-generation model of its AR glasses, aimed at early adopters and developers, by 2024
Isn't Apple releasing theirs in 2023? Late to market isn't great unless you plan to make a better product. With no custom silicon Facebook is gonna Facebook and flop as per usual when it comes to anything hardware. Name one successful piece of hardware they've ever produced? Apple was already a successful computer, personal electronics, software and media company before making the iPhone. You have to walk before you can run, Zucky boy.
 
The smartphone replaced our existing phones. The smartwatch more or less replaced our old watches.

These glasses aren't going to replace our existing glasses. I still need to use them to see.
That’s where AR is far and away more useful than VR.
 
You don't have to be the product for Facebook it is easy not to be.
 
To be clear, the Apple of today faces some of these same challenges in the inevitable launch of their AR/VR product, but the ingredients simply aren't there for Meta to have an "iPhone moment".
I agree with your post, but this particular part I think is arguably the most important. iPhone was the new personal hub, AR/VR is and will probably be for the foreseeable future a niche product. As such, even Apple’s AR/VR headset won’t be an iPhone moment. Even Apple Watch, the most successful wearable tech of the modern generation, wasn’t an iPhone moment.
 
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I agree with your post, but this particular part I think is arguably the most important. iPhone was the new personal hub, AR/VR is and will probably be for the foreseeable future a niche product. As such, even Apple’s AR/VR headset won’t be an iPhone moment. Even Apple Watch, the most successful wearable tech of the modern generation, wasn’t an iPhone moment.

I disagree.
 
The concept of VR glasses and headsets have existed since the 80's... over 30 years later and it still doesn't stick.
Remember the movie: "The Lawnmower Man" (1992) ?
Or the anime "Sword Art Online" (2002-2008) ?

Something is missing in this concept, and that may be why Apple are not pleased with the current results.
 
Dear Mark, I hope the meta verse will be generous enough to add some eyebrows on that **** face of yours
 
"be designed to work independently from a smartphone with the use of a wireless, phone-shaped device"

What the?

Why not work independently from glasses as well, maybe using a eyewear shaped device instead? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Elon wants to buy Twitter and Mark wants to have his ‘iPhone’ moment. We are truly living in h*ll.
What’s wrong with Elon buying Twitter? That any worse than the current openly racist CEO?

Zuck really thinks highly of himself. The only reason he’s in his position is by stabbing the backs of others and through literal evil. He’s not special. He’s not a visionary. He doesn’t have that spark. He’s just a deluded billionaire.
 
This won't happen. I would even venture to say this can't happen. I don't mean that in the pejorative sense, but if this quote is true then it does demonstrate that Zuckerberg doesn't actually understand what made that "iPhone moment" the inflexion point it surely was.

Mark Zuckerberg isn't Steve Jobs. Again, not meant as a slur, but it's inescapable that Jobs was a master storyteller and regardless of what you thought of the man and the products, nobody could pitch like him. Zuckerberg certainly can't. Facts.

Lots of people who aren't Apple Enthusiasts perhaps don't comprehend how much pent-up desire there was for Apple to make a phone. People knew there was a revolution there to be had, if some company could just come up with the right sauce. And there was faith that Apple could be that company. Meta doesn't have the pedigree or the mythology. People don't care about what Meta makes in the same way people care about Apple. Coming off the back of the Apple resurgence fuelled by the original iMac and the iPod, there was an awareness in the wider public that Apple was capable of producing something truly kick-ass.

Most people still don't even know what the "metaverse" even means and I challenge anyone to demonstrate that Meta has even 10% of that same wider public awareness.

When you watch that iPhone launch, the cheer that goes up when he announces that Apple is making a phone, the visceral euphoria that fills the auditorium, is something that can't be faked.

To be clear, the Apple of today faces some of these same challenges in the inevitable launch of their AR/VR product, but the ingredients simply aren't there for Meta to have an "iPhone moment".
Well said, I remember getting the first iPhone on launch day and everyone who saw it wanted one. The demand was pre-existing, and the delivery launched Apple into another level.

Facebook is putting a lot of emphasis on a tired idea. Virtual world, with virtual stuff. Until you can actually plug into the matrix and taste, smell, feel and truly experience - you are just making a fancier version of "The Sims". This isn't changing the world for anyone.
 
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I’ll add to that argument and say this was exactly the period where customers should be screaming for AR products if that’s actually something they wanted. If it hasn’t happened in the time we were forced to stay at home, it certainly won’t happen when it’s voluntary.
I don’t understand the IMMENSE appeal for AR. I have seen way more people hyped up for AR than I have ever seen for any movie/game/video card/whatever. It seems everybody is talking about AR and Metaverse and people are “desperately waiting” for Apple’s AR.
 
Could someone please explain to me why Zuckerberg looks like an older-generation animatronic in a theme park ride?

I mean, the words that come out of his mouth would creep me out plenty even if I had no idea what he looked like, but the only other human that far on the wrong side of the uncanny valley I can think of is Elon Musk.
 
Why do you have to put his face on your page? It forces me to see it, and then scroll away really fast and then, afraid I missed something I scroll back up, see his face again and pull back in disgust...
 
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