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Mark Zuckerberg: WhatsApp Is 'Far More Private and Secure' Than iMessage

tehabe said:
Signal is actively working to circumvent those attempts to block it, like currently in Iran. https://signal.org/blog/run-a-proxy/
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I saw this. I wouldn't say that means signal is more secure. Single is just trying to make sure their messaging service isn't shut down. I'd be fairly confident to say your messages would be secure from a country like Iran. I wouldn't be confident at all to say your messages would be secure from a country like the USA or even the EU.
 
TheYayAreaLiving 🎗 said:
Why is Mark Zuckerberg still around? He has no idea what he is talking about. Always doing the most!
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Lol maybe he meant it’s secure in that NO ONE ELSE besides the user and Meta can read their messages. He doesn’t consider himself as an unwanted party 😆.

But hey he does bring up a couple valid points.
It would probably be good if iMessage had end-to-end encrypted iCloud backups (though I don’t use iCloud for backups myself). I also want iMessage to allow me to easily delete sensitive messages that I receive (usually passwords and bank info) from all my devices and from iCloud if it exists there too. Right now I have to do it manually on all my devices, which can sometimes be a pain. And though I don’t use iCloud for iMessages, I still feel like my deleted messages might continue to exist somewhere maybe on a server, only because it doesn’t feel like thoroughly deleting messages was an intentionally designed feature of iMessage. I also want to be able to send self-destructing messages so I don’t have to rely on the recipient to be responsible with my sensitive info.
I don’t expect iMessage to ever be cross platform. Sure, it’d be nice, but that’s a minor convenience thing, not a security thing, because I can always use another app for messaging securely with Android users if I need to. And making iMessage cross platform conflicts with Apple’s interests, so I don’t expect it.
 
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Cant stand zuck but hes right. iOS -> Android = ZERO security.

Apple can fix it.. but their absolute greed prevents it.

Having said this: I still would never use whatsapp.
 
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ImageWrangler said:
While I 100% agree with you and am continually disappointed with iMessage and its not playing nice with other SMS platforms and having a host of issues, I'd still — overall — trust sending something in iMessage for not having prying eyes or nefarious shenanigans going on in the background than WhatApp or ANYTHING on or from the Meta platform. Only a fool would think to trust Meta/Zuck at this point @0089294.

I long for the day when it's just Google, Microsoft, Apple, and some smaller platforms and people will in the future bring up Meta and have a good chuckle with a shake of their heads like, "damn, do not miss that blight on the digital landscape at all."
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yeah i totally hear you man

what i'm saying is ,imessage technology isnt secure .
 
MacRumors said:


WhatsApp is "far more private and secure" than Apple's iMessage platform, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg has claimed in a new Instagram post.

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In a post sharing a Meta billboard in New York City promoting WhatsApp over SMS or iMessage, Zuckerberg said WhatsApp is far better for privacy-concerned users thanks to its end-to-end encryption, ability to set messages to disappear after a set period of time, and its availability across multiple platforms.
Apple and Meta have had an ongoing rivalry for some time, with the tension between the two tech giants growing more recently. Meta has accused Apple of hurting small businesses and its ads business by introducing measures that allow iPhone users to opt out of tracking in apps and websites across other websites.

In a meeting with staff, Zuckerberg said Meta's competition with Apple is "very deep" and "philosophical," pointing to the increasingly competitive AR/VR space which Apple is expected to officially enter with a headset early next year.

Article Link: Mark Zuckerberg: WhatsApp Is 'Far More Private and Secure' Than iMessage
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🤣 Well, it must be true if he says so 🤣
 
surfsofa said:
WhatsApp is built on top of the open source Signal messaging platform, which is well respected in the security community. This makes it at least a contender, and for cross-platform messaging (check the Android global market share) you could argue it's more secure than falling back on SMS.
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Only took 42 messages to get to the first reasonable response on this thread.
 
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robbyclark said:
I have multiple screenshots as evidence of Whats app mining chat messages and then displaying Facebook ads relevant only to conversations I have had in the Whats App chat. Things so obscure and unique to 'one-off' chat comments that the only way Facebook could consider displaying a recommendation for service is if Whats App was mining my data and sharing it with Facebook.

The only real option is to use Signal if you are concerned about privacy.
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WhatsApp is built on top of the open source Signal messaging platform lol
 
MacRumors said:


WhatsApp is "far more private and secure" than Apple's iMessage platform, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg has claimed in a new Instagram post.

tim-cook-mark-zuckerberg.jpg

In a post sharing a Meta billboard in New York City promoting WhatsApp over SMS or iMessage, Zuckerberg said WhatsApp is far better for privacy-concerned users thanks to its end-to-end encryption, ability to set messages to disappear after a set period of time, and its availability across multiple platforms.
Apple and Meta have had an ongoing rivalry for some time, with the tension between the two tech giants growing more recently. Meta has accused Apple of hurting small businesses and its ads business by introducing measures that allow iPhone users to opt out of tracking in apps and websites across other websites.

In a meeting with staff, Zuckerberg said Meta's competition with Apple is "very deep" and "philosophical," pointing to the increasingly competitive AR/VR space which Apple is expected to officially enter with a headset early next year.

Article Link: Mark Zuckerberg: WhatsApp Is 'Far More Private and Secure' Than iMessage
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Might as well get some knowledge and learn that iCloud backups are end to end encrypted, simply that Apple has a key to decipher it if you lose access to your account.
 
russell_314 said:
In the USA everything is based on phone numbers so it's either SMS or iMessage because t's just easy.
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Everything all around the world is based on phone numbers. In other countries, folks that want to communicate to folks on different phone OS’s but with the niceties of read receipts and group chats moved to WhatsApp. They found something that matched their desired feature set, and have no problem using it.

In the US, the same thing is available that matches their desired feature set, but they just don’t WANT to use it.
 
0089294 said:
He’s not wrong . iMessage still relies on sms whereas WhatsApp is end to end encrypted
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What is this comment ? It’s end to end encrypted whether or not you activate backups. The only two critics I can think of are that iMessage is the service where the FBI can get the most types of data from Apple if needed for up to 25 days after the message sent, but also that Apple keeps a key to decipher the backup if needed when lost.
 
kognos said:
iMessage needs to use RCS to have security across all of its potential endpoints.
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Nah, iMessage doesn’t need to use RCS because iMessage only sends messages to other folks with iPhones, where it works as expected. iMessage does not and likely will not send messages to anything other than other Apple devices.
 
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I was a regular whatsapp user until they tried to force users to accept new terms and conditions. I told my relatives and friends to install Signal to keep in touch with me.
 
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It is. That's why scammers want you to chat with them on WhatsApp, where they convince you to buy into their Bitcoin investment club.
 
iJon said:
You are incorrect on this one. iCloud Backup most certainly does include iMessage and there is no way to disable it if you want to use iCloud Backup. While Apple doesn't have a way to read iMessage by itself, as soon as you turn on iCloud Backup, they have access to all your messages. They still may choose not to read them, but they can easily hand them over to law enforcement when requested. If someone doesn't use iCloud Backup then yes, all messages are P2P encrypted between both parties and Apple cannot read those messages.

At least with WhatsApps you can disable the app data from being backed up via iCloud Backup, but I don't use WhatsApp and unsure what other security measures may be lurking in the background.

While Apple doesn't want to admit it, they are very coy about the security risks about iMessage. Tim chooses his words very carefully when he says Apple doesn't and can't read your messages, but they never talk about how they can hand them over the government. It's a huge weakness that will never change because the government would be breathing down their back if it did ever change.
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you know there is a toggle option for messages right I'm guessing you do not
 
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Apple_Gabe said:
To be fair, I think it's unacceptable that Messages are not end-to-end encrypted, I mean why is it still open? I think with next year's rumored Messages overhaul or refresh, it's a definite possibility that we end up getting full-encryption.
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If you were fair, you'd at least admit that iMessages are end-to-end encrypted.
 
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Kelly Jones said:
I recently attempted to restore an icloud backup to a new device from an old device. It mostly worked but I could not restore the messages because the I needed to know the passcode of the old device, but I did not know it. It did not matter that I had the correct Apple ID and password. Any thoughts on this?
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the messages are encrypted with the old passcode
 
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kognos said:
This is a zinger across the bow of iMessage.

A point made in other threads -- iMessage defaults to plain SMS when communicating to Android devices, when it has the option to use RCS. So it's not encrypted fully across all endpoints. It's a true and fair statement and equivocation.

iMessage needs to use RCS to have security across all of its potential endpoints.
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RCS is NOT end to end encrypted by default, its completely Carrier Based barely any carriers in the world support it and when google gets bored "Google RCS" yes its called that because its not official will dissapear
 
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