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Matte, Glare, Anti-glare and Apple being incredibly obtuse.

To make such sales figures meaningful, Apple would have had to make neither option the default on their website, and not make it the default option you see in stores (or don't get stores to stock mostly glossy versions). Otherwise, the results from asking such a question are useless anyway, and that's exactly what has happened here. ;)

Besides, most people who say that compared to their previous matte screen laptop aren't coming from laptops which had a really bright LED-backlit screen, or improved/newer LCD panel technology. They're coming from a CCFL-backlit screen that suffered from a lot of dimming, and then they see the new glossy screen (which is more colour saturated) and are impressed. Well you'd certainly hope so. ;) Anyway, it's not a fair comparison either.

Looking at the new 17" MBP matte and glossy models side by side, you don't see much of a difference except for a slightly more colour saturation on the glossy screen. I'm talking about a VERY small difference. There are a couple of people at MR who own both models who have said the same thing.


So basically, a lot of these comparisons aren't fair if they're just comparing their old laptop to the new ones, or when someone starts talking about sales figures. Who cares when neither comparison is fair? :confused:
 
Sales figures aren't fair? So your saying if Apple sells 2 million glassy MBP's and only 1 million matte MBP's it's not fair? Because it doesn't support your personal choice?

I know that surely can't be a reason for sales figures not being fair, but I think that is what I just read. :eek:

I don't care one way or the other what people like, but sales figures are sales figures either way it favors. Saying they are not fair is.. well.. just wrong. I doubt Apple makes them up just to piss "matte lovers" off. :)

To your point of people buying what they see in the store, I agree, most general consumers don't care one way or the other, and if the glassy was such a huge issue as most tech forums users think, people would bring back those glassy/glossy screens complaining their screen is UNusable. Just doesn't happen.
 
bossxii said:
Sales figures aren't fair? So your saying if Apple sells 2 million glassy MBP's and only 1 million matte MBP's it's not fair? Because it doesn't support your personal choice?

I know that surely can't be a reason for sales figures not being fair, but I think that is what I just read. :eek:
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Yes, that is what you read. Do you purposely go to every thread in this forum, mis-read all the posts, and then post about it, or do you do this involuntarily? :confused:


What I said was that Apple made the old matte versions the default configuration, including the ones that were widely available at Apple resellers and Apple Stores. I meant that sales figures aren't completely fair because there wasn't equal availability of the two machines at retail stores (which makes up a large chunk of sales), and to get the non-default screen on the online store, people needed to select it.

Also, if you don't understand what the options actually mean, since there are no photos on their website to show you the effects of reflections from the screen, or the effect that the matte finish has on slightly dulling the colours, some buyers would not have known the difference. After all, this was never an option before, and so they just go with the default screen.


I hope you understood what I said, because I can't explain it any clearer. :eek:
 
Freyqq said:
"selling well" is deceptive in a market with one choice

if you want a mac laptop at a macbook pricepoint, you have to buy glossy. That argument would make sense if they offered both and glossy sold more...but we have no evidence of this.
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You do make a good point.

I would suggest that from Apple's perspective, if the customer will still sell the MB without a Matte screen, then why make it an option?

I would really love to see Apple offer a Matte screen option on all of their products. Right now it looks like Apple is going away from that concept. Bummer.
 
I'd like to know one PC notebook manufacturer that offers matte and glossy screen options on all of their different notebooks. Most PC notebooks these days are glossy... almost every single one.

You guys complain because Apple wont offer you every single option under the sun, but this is only because you were "spoiled" in the past. No computer manufacturer tailors their notebooks for every possible user.
 
The matte-glossy argument is made by people that own neither monitors.

I bought an ACD last night. I have my windows open, it's sunshine outside. No glare what's so ever. Matte vs glossy is a stupid argument. Unless the ambient lightning is soooo powerful that it overpowers the lightning from the monitor (like fog lights, high beams, super novas), there is no problems.
 
On a notebook display I prefer matte, is brighter, looks more eye candy and more natural to me. For some reason pictures pop alot more to me than glossy. Something about glossy makes things look blurry up close but matte looks so sharp. (I'm referring to LED backlit matte but not with ccfl backlit matte).

Outside too with the LED matte, you can still view everything in the direct sunlight (I was surprised by this when I first had the LED backlit 15" matte when LED was new).

I prefer glossy when it comes to CCFL backlit matte vs. CCFL backlit glossy but when it comes to LED I love the Matte screens.
 
I personally would like my 15" MacBook Pro to have a matte screen with silver bezel. A replica of the MacBook Air, none of this black hinge stuff the matte version of the 17" MacBook Pro has.

I've gotten used to glossy, but I do prefer matte screens.
 
Kilamite said:
I personally would like my 15" MacBook Pro to have a matte screen with silver bezel. A replica of the MacBook Air, none of this black hinge stuff the matte version of the 17" MacBook Pro has.

I've gotten used to glossy, but I do prefer matte screens.
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Yea those silver bezel looks extremely nice. The only reason I liked the black bezel of the 15" is because it matched my 24" LED ACD's bezel.

But after I saw the 17" silver bezel in person, I thought it looked much better. It looked like they kept the last generation's design while implementing the unibody enclosure.

Just looks more like a futuristic version of the last gen's body which I really really loved. Brings newness + nostalgia. :)

I'm seriously thinking about a 17" with matte option.
 
andrew upstairs said:
A couple of years ago, matte was the default, and glossy was the option. That must have changed, due to more people buying the glossy.
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Couple of years ago? Matte was default prior to the October 2008 update where the Unibody MacBook Pro's become glossy only.
 
Tallest Skil said:
I can't remember the last time a company forced me to buy anything.:confused:
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I feel like you're being nit picky here. The obvious situation he's refering to is what if one can not stand a glassy screen and wants a mac. Then if one got a mac they'd be "forced" to get the 17. More accurately, it's his or her preference of wanting a matte screen that "forces" him or her to get the 17, not apple. However, Apple's design choices did create the situation.
 
Abstract said:
Yes, that is what you read. Do you purposely go to every thread in this forum, mis-read all the posts, and then post about it, or do you do this involuntarily? :confused
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Not every thread just follow the ones I post in to see how it progresses. The reason I asked the question about your statement is until you now replied I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic. Clearly you feel facts are unfair. Oh well, they are what they are.

I just find it interesting how people try to twist fact or claim "unfair" when it doesn't support their opinion. I can understand some people like matte, some like glassy, but I don't pretend that tech forums are the majority of people that use Mac computers. The reality is more use glassy, Apple makes it default because people have shown through sales results that is what is the more popular option.
 
Kilamite said:
Couple of years ago? Matte was default prior to the October 2008 update where the Unibody MacBook Pro's become glossy only.
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You're right. I got my facts reversed. ;) I've corrected my last post. However, it wasn't the point I was trying to make. My point was that since one is there by default, and Apple makes default systems available at stores while CTO machines have to be ordered, it's never fair to compare the default machine to one where something was customised.


bossxii said:
Clearly you feel facts are unfair.
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Either you're just teasing now, or your reading comprehension is really poor. I don't know if other people are having trouble understanding me. Perhaps they are as well.


If English isn't your first language, then I'm sorry.
If English is your first language, then I'm still sorry, but in a different way.
 
I'm a matte fan for sure, but the fact is that apple doesn't need to care about what people like. I think they should, but they just don't need to. It's true for most people that once you go mac, you can't go back. Thus, people will buy their computers regardless of what type of screen it is and their feelings towards it. I snatched the last version of the 15" macbook pro model with a matte screen, but I'm still going to buy an apple as my next computer--even if it is one of the disappointing glossy screens.
 
Kilamite said:
Couple of years ago? Matte was default prior to the October 2008 update where the Unibody MacBook Pro's become glossy only.
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That's what I thought. I was just explaining my experience. I don't know if you noticed, but I was replying to a guy who thought that glossy was the default option. I was trying to prove the point that, even though matte was the default, many, many more glossies were sold.
 
Ugh. Yeah, another matte screen thread. Nothing new here...

Protest the decision not to have a matte screen option with your wallets. Nobody is forcing you to buy a glossy screen, or even a Mac for that matter. If it's not for you, then it's not for you. Pretty much the whining about lack of a matte screen just comes from some misplaced sense of entitlement.
 
Stop pushing your opinion to people (consumers) that don't care. Sure it would be great to have matte, but it's not something I would waste time about. Remember, Apple is not pushing 100% to professionals, the consumers matter too.

I agree they should have the option but Apple is about making things simpler. Having so many options confuses the average consumer. I for one have trouble deciphering HP's current lineup and think that Dell's lineup (although not straight forward) is a bit simpler to understand.

No company forced me to do anything. I'm the golden customer.
 
SnowLeopard2008 said:
Stop pushing your opinion to people (consumers) that don't care. Sure it would be great to have matte, but it's not something I would waste time about. Remember, Apple is not pushing 100% to professionals, the consumers matter too.
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I know there is nothing "professional" about the MacBook Pro, but it does carry Pro in the name. If Apple wants the Pro to retain its image of being a professional Mac, then they need to offer a matte option too.

The MacBook is fine with glossy.
 
Kilamite said:
I know there is nothing "professional" about the MacBook Pro, but it does carry Pro in the name. If Apple wants the Pro to retain its image of being a professional Mac, then they need to offer a matte option too.

The MacBook is fine with glossy.
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I agree, but not all professionals have a dying need of matte. If you can tell me which professional has a need (dying or not) of matte and works in direct light...
 
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