Mavericks is the worst, most buggy OS Apple has ever released.

Discussion in 'OS X Mavericks (10.9)' started by Tbone999, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. Tbone999 macrumors member

    Jun 18, 2009
    Why, oh WHY? Did all the people designing the OS in Apple get lobotomized? What in god's name has happened to this once excellent company?

    This OS is so buggy that Mail and Safari -- kind of important for a computer, that "getting email" and "using the internet" stuff -- simply do not work. Safari hangs everytime I try to input text in a text input window (e.g., signing into a site). Mail does not retrieve Mail. One suggested solution is to delete your accounts and then re-add them. Great -- but Mail has inexplicably moved its Accounts listing out of the application and into Software Preferences where it hangs every time I try to access it.

    There are so many problems with this OS (look at so many of the threads here; e.g.,

    I mourn the loss of a once great company -- no company with any regard for its products would foist this buggy, useless piece of junk on its customers.

    (And don't get me started on Siri. If it's in beta, don't release it to consumers. Make it work. Then release it. Common sense, right?)
  2. SandboxGeneral Moderator emeritus


    Sep 8, 2010
    I'm sorry for your experience, but I don't think it is indicative of the experiences of everyone else, or the OS and company as a whole.

    My experience with Mavericks has been a good one. I don't have anything to complain about and cannot think of any bugs according to my usage with it.
  3. maflynn, Mar 13, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2014

    maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    I echo what SBG posted, my experience with Mavericks has been very positive. I've had no problems with Mail and Safari. Though other people have, and there were some reports of performance issues, those problems haven't befallen me.

    Over all, 10.9 has been very stable and fast in my experience.
  4. Shrink macrumors G3


    Feb 26, 2011
    New England, USA
    Agree completely^^^^! I haven't experienced any significant problems with Mavericks at all.

    While I, too, don't question OP's experience, I do think much of the post is a bit of an over the top response.
  5. James Craner macrumors 68000

    James Craner

    Sep 13, 2002
    Bristol, UK
    While a lot of people have issues with Mail, much of that is with people using Gmail. Mavericks has been pretty robust for me, and I have not seen any of the problems that you have seen, although I know Mavericks has been causing problems for some people. Safari has not been a problem for me.

    iOS 7 on the other hand was very buggy for most people including me until the recent 7.1 upgrade.

    Might be worth doing a clean install if you are still experiencing problems.
  6. SandboxGeneral Moderator emeritus


    Sep 8, 2010
    As the others said, a fresh install of the OS may solve your issues.
  7. chrfr macrumors 604

    Jul 11, 2009
    This is incorrect. Accounts are still listed and can be configured within Mail.
  8. Small White Car macrumors G4

    Small White Car

    Aug 29, 2006
    Washington DC
  9. fivenotrump macrumors 6502

    Apr 15, 2009
    Central England
    I'm sorry that you're unhappy, but you must know that you are in the minority...
  10. talmy macrumors 601


    Oct 26, 2009
    In my case Leopard was the worst because my networking was dead until the .1 release. Lion came in second for causing problems. Tiger, Snow Leopard, Mountain Lion, and Mavericks installed and ran without a hitch. (Jaguar was my first.)

    Mail (with 3 IMAP and 5 POP accounts and tens of thousands of messages) works fine as does Safari.
  11. fisherking macrumors 603


    Jul 16, 2010
    ny somewhere
    every version of os x has had it's good and bad moments. for me, mavericks (and snow leopard) have been the best, so far...
  12. Mac Hammer Fan macrumors 6502a

    Mac Hammer Fan

    Jul 13, 2004
    Best system was Snow Leopard imo. Rock solid and with rosetta for older applications. Mavericks introduces on my Mac Pro a new problem: crashes with 10.9 and 10.9.1 and a delay when I choose the command "sleep" in the Finder.
    10.9.2 seems more stable, though... But the delay for sleeping remains.
  13. oldhifi macrumors 65816


    Jan 12, 2013
  14. Tbone999 thread starter macrumors member

    Jun 18, 2009
    I liked Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion. Honestly, I've never really actively disliked an Apple OS release until this one. I've spent days debugging it, and it still lacks functionality.


    Not in my Mail. When I select Accounts in the Mail drop down menu, it attempts to open the Internet Accounts pane of Software Preferences, which uses up 100% of my CPU and hangs.

    When I try to select Mail preferences (where I'm guessing you're saying accounts are still configurable in), Mail hangs. I have reset my Pram, rebuilt my mailboxes, reinstalled Mavericks, etc. Mail won't retrieve mail and won't let me reconfigure my accounts in an attempt to fix that. I'm at the end of my rope with this.

    I'm glad that others are having positive experiences with the OS, but I've liked every single OS Apple has released until this one. I shouldn't have to spend days debugging it -- it should just work, and work well.
  15. chrfr macrumors 604

    Jul 11, 2009
    It sounds like your computer is having a problem that isn't necessarily to be attributed to Mavericks. Your experience is certainly not typical of most users' experiences.
    When you reinstalled the OS, did you migrate your old account or create a new one without migrating files?
  16. SlCKB0Y macrumors 68040


    Feb 25, 2012
    Sydney, Australia
    I remember 10.6.0 having its own issues...
  17. Dustman macrumors 65816


    Apr 17, 2007
    Mavericks is far from the worst, most buggy OS Apple has put out.

    OS 8.5.1, OS 9.04, and OS 10.0-10.2 come to mind, with the latter being the worst.
  18. aristobrat macrumors G5

    Oct 14, 2005
    Personally, I haven't seen any new OS that didn't cause days of grief for some people. Sorry that it's your turn with Mavericks.

    In general, Mavericks (to me) seems to a lot less people complaining about it, especially compared to Lion. Good lord, reading the forums here, some folks would have you believe that the devil himself coded that release.

    Back to your mail issue, have you tried manually deleting the Mail plist and folders? To me, it sounds like the issue is somewhere in there.
  19. MPclk2006 macrumors regular

    Sep 20, 2013
    Maybe is because I do not use either of those apps, but I have not had any issues with Mavericks, I run it on a Macbook mid2009 and it runs just fine. I use my iphone/ipad to check my emails and firefox as my browser.
  20. Altemose macrumors G3


    Mar 26, 2013
    Elkton, Maryland
    I don't exactly see how you can "spend days debugging it" when it isn't an open source operating system. If you let us know of your eMail provider, we may be able to help with that.

    People always fault Apple with bugs in the new software. Every software has bugs, whether people see them or not is a different story.

    Let's take a timeline shall we...

    OS X 10.0: Unstable Finder and kernel
    OS X 10.1: Terrible graphics drivers
    OS X 10.2: Excellent graphics, somewhat lacking performance

    OS X 10.3: Not anything worth mentioning
    OS X 10.4: Very few issues
    OS X 10.5: Disabled network for some users until 10.5.1

    OS X 10.6: Had issues with QuartzGL for Intel cards
    OS X 10.7: Slow performance, removed features
    OS X 10.8: Stable, fast, what 10.7 should have been

    That isn't too bad, but lets have a look at the Microsoft equivalent.

    Windows Me: Unstable everything, based on DOS
    Windows 2000: Stable
    Windows XP: Had reliability issues with Fat32 partitions at the beginning
    Windows Vista: I think we all know, took hundreds of updates and 2 service packs to get it somewhat decent.

    Windows 7: Stable, great performance.
    Windows 8: This in and of itself is a bug

    OS X isn't perfect but it has a heck of a lot better bugs than Windows. We will happily try and help you fix the issues... Another thing, when you reinstalled Mavericks, did you wipe the drive?
  21. Tbone999 thread starter macrumors member

    Jun 18, 2009
    When I spend hours and hours looking up possible solutions to these problems on the internet, and hours and hours trying one thing and another, I consider that debugging. (How absurd and condescending your "open source" comment is. It's obvious what I'm talking about.)

    Yes, as part of my troubleshooting, I did a clean install of Mavericks (which took a great deal of time). Didn't help. Rebooted in safe mode, deleted the envelope files from the Mailbox data file, etc., etc.

    My email provider is Apple (iCloud). I read a great deal about Mavericks giving Gmail users a lot of trouble, but I don't sync to a gmail account at all, just iCloud.


    I think I'm going to accept the general wisdom here and posit that my problem may be hardware related. I will say that there are numerous complaints about Mail on the Apple discussion board, many of them resembling mine, I would think that at least one of the standard fixes would help, especially the clean install.

    Do people think I should run diskwarrior or TechToolsPro (I own neither, I'd have to buy them), or just take it in to Apple? I repaired permissions and also verified the disk using Disk Utility, which reported no problem.
  22. Altemose macrumors G3


    Mar 26, 2013
    Elkton, Maryland
    I was looking for clarification on your definition of "debugging" since I come from a programming background. This may sound absurd, but have you updated your Apple ID associated with your iCloud address?

    Simply update the password, sign in and out of iCloud in System Preferences, and then check mail. It should work.

    For some reason, it doesn't reject an expired password but rather raises hell when someone needs Mail in Mavericks. It has happened to me as well. Let us know.
  23. tywebb13 macrumors 68020

    Apr 21, 2012
    I use airplay mirroring a lot and so was interested in mountain lion when the first beta for that came out and have been using airplay mirroring ever since.

    Mavericks is definitely an improvement on mountain lion in this regard. So notwithstanding some minor bugs which evidently annoy some people, I think if you use this, it is well worth the upgrade - especially if you use more than 1 monitor, as I do.

    The only major problem I had with mavericks was with mavericks developer preview 6 which killed off airplay mirroring altogether! But I downgraded to DP5, sent a bug report and soon thereafter apple fixed it in DP7.
  24. the bug macrumors regular

    the bug

    Feb 21, 2014
    Sorry your having trouble, but Mavericks has been quite stable for me, even on an un-supported system (1,1 Mac Pro).

    Most people don't remember the dark days of "Type 11" errors on System 7. :)
    - Jay
  25. tywebb13 macrumors 68020

    Apr 21, 2012
    But I do remember the grouch trash can in system 7. That's a feature I'd like to see again in 10.10 or 10.9.4 or the next beta of 10.9.3.

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