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Please do yourself the favour of saving humiliation and look up prices of glass.

Look for 15" X 10". It's in and around $60 upwards of $200. The cost of a sheet of 3M (matte screen) is ~$5.

Glass gets exponentially more expensive as the size of it increases. Ever had to replace a rear or side window panel on a car? It can be up to $1500 JUST for the cost of the glass.

Simply put, plastic will never be a more expensive material than glass.

People must work in the sun LOTS to really want cheap stuff like a matte screen.

You should be humiliated for arguing about this sort of thing, it's just absurd. Like I stated before, it's all about personal preference.

And you can't bring automobile glass into this argument. Of course it's more expensive! Glass on a car has extremely thin sheets of plastic embedded throughout (especially the windshield) so that when it breaks it does so in a way that's going to cause you the least amount of harm.

And again, it's about personal preference. My work computer is a 2008 glossy screen MB and I must say, while the screen does look great, it does strain my eyes. I'm not sure why but it does. Therefore, matte is better for me.
 
He resents his purchase since the matte option came out yet cannot afford to upgrade. Basically he's angry. :D

I can afford an 8 core mac pro if I wanted to right now and still have quite a bit left over. Money is not an issue for me. If someone offered to buy my mbp for $2800 and sell me there matte one for $2400 I would refuse.

Since this thread has now been taken over by kids who go off topic I'm outa this debate.
 
I can afford an 8 core mac pro if I wanted to right now and still have quite a bit left over. Money is not an issue for me. If someone offered to buy my mbp for $2800 and sell me there matte one for $2400 I would refuse.

Since this thread has now been taken over by kids who go off topic I'm outa this debate.

So now that you're being argued against you're just going to leave? :rolleyes:
 
He is so. He's wrong.

End of. :rolleyes:

Please stop posting your crap. You never seem to enter into a debate, you just post your opinions like you are some kind of expert. Your continuous advice to people not to buy a macbook because blu-ray is coming next year helps my point.


Who are you to say who is an amateur? What makes YOU a professional? What do you do? Why is his opinion any less valid than yours?

He resents his purchase since the matte option came out yet cannot afford to upgrade. Basically he's angry. :D

So anyone who has a glossy screen only bought it because they couldn't afford the extra $50?

I apologize if it seems that my post is singling Shambo out in any way, it wasn't my attention, it just seems he is the only person making posts that are unhelpful, useless, irrelevant and unsupported. At least others, who may be wrong, are attempting to provide evidence, you are just making childish remarks and using emoticons.

Glossy obviously has its fans and its uses, same as matte, otherwise Apple wouldn't offer both options.

Forums are places for debate. This forum, like many other tech forums and the comments sections in blogs, seems to be full of arrogant, opinionated jerks, none of who are willing to enter into debate, they just believe that once they have made their opinion heard, it is improper for anyone else to disagree.
 
I can afford an 8 core mac pro if I wanted to right now and still have quite a bit left over. Money is not an issue for me. If someone offered to buy my mbp for $2800 and sell me there matte one for $2400 I would refuse.

Since this thread has now been taken over by kids who go off topic I'm outa this debate.

Money being an issue you were never in the debate. :D

Enjoy your glassy. ;)
 
I almost never use my MBP outside so glare isn't a problem for me. Plus my desk is positioned so the sun doesn't hit my screen.
 
Just listen to Bob

It's personal preference...eof

All this arguing... as Bob Dylan put it:

It's a restless hungry feeling
That don't mean no one no good
When ev'rything I'm a-sayin'
You can say it just as good
You're right from your side
I'm right from mine
We're both just too many mornings
An' a thousand miles behind
 
I can afford an 8 core mac pro if I wanted to right now and still have quite a bit left over. Money is not an issue for me. If someone offered to buy my mbp for $2800 and sell me there matte one for $2400 I would refuse.

Since this thread has now been taken over by kids who go off topic I'm outa this debate.

Judging by your sig and your responses I am pretty sure you are the child. I am actually glad you took your ball and went home. Now the adults can talk.

Really it is all about preference. I bought the 13 MBP right when it came out and, among other issues I had, I could never get over the glare off the screen when I was in the field or even at my lab (horrible lighting). I bought the 15 MBP the minute the matte was added and I love it. Should people argue about the cost? No!! If someone likes the glossy screen then who cares?
 
The black bezel around the Glossy display does not look "cheap", in fact it does two things. It makes the MBP look like a more professional product, and it improves color reproduction and color balance for the human eye. The glossy display has greater color balance, better black reproduction, better contrast, and provides a sharper picture than the matte option. Believe me, you do not know more than Apples engineers. The matte display is certainly a downgrade.

It's quite humorous to watch though....

LOL. Guess you must be stuck with a glossy one :eek:
 
Why is everyone arguing? I like the glossy, some of you like the matte, why does each opposing side care?

Besides the glossy vs. matte debate, I really think the silver bezel makes the laptop look cheap. It makes it look like a plastic dell =/
 
Why is everyone arguing? I like the glossy, some of you like the matte, why does each opposing side care?

Besides the glossy vs. matte debate, I really think the silver bezel makes the laptop look cheap. It makes it look like a plastic dell =/

Well done. You try to calm the debate then piss petrol all over the flames. :rolleyes:
 
According to my reseller, the screen is "Anti-Glare not Matte". He tells me Apple is real particular about this. He thinks this screen also has glass on it, much like anti glare picture frame glass. It is different than previous matte screens.

I have not seen this screen (hope to later this week, reseller didn't have any in stock), I have seen the glossy and it won't work for me because of the glare.

Even though I am ordering an Anti Glare screen, I would prefer the black border. As a photographer and 15 year home theater enthusiast I prefer the black border for contrast reasons.

I work in the sun all the time and glossy is not a choice for me. Once I get the new machine, I will give you a proper review.
 
According to my reseller, the screen is "Anti-Glare not Matte". He tells me Apple is real particular about this. He thinks this screen also has glass on it, much like anti glare picture frame glass. It is different than previous matte screens.

I have not seen this screen (hope to later this week, reseller didn't have any in stock), I have seen the glossy and it won't work for me because of the glare.

Even though I am ordering an Anti Glare screen, I would prefer the black border. As a photographer and 15 year home theater enthusiast I prefer the black border for contrast reasons.

I work in the sun all the time and glossy is not a choice for me. Once I get the new machine, I will give you a proper review.

Sony has some brilliant stuff for their Z series laptop. It's not your usual matte. It looks like matte-glass. It's amazing screen; like something in between. If Apple could put something like that in their MB and MBP that would be AWESOME.
 
I own the Glossy MacBook Pro variant. Yet I believe technically - Matte is better. That is obvious. However, design wise, it not having a black border like the glossy one, makes it look weird to say the least. On technicality & functionality basis - I would get the Matte. However as far as design is concerned - Glossy is way better.
I don't regret buying the glossy, however if both looked exactly the same design wise, then I would surely have wanted Matte. I hate using my Glossy in sunny locations & every Glossy owner does, Come out of your closets guys.
 
As a photographer and 15 year home theater enthusiast I prefer the black border for contrast reasons.

I use my computer for reading/writing text and I prefer the silver border, for contrast reasons. I never watch movies on my computer.

A silver border is more likely to have LESS contrast to whatever my desktop windows are showing and is therefore less likely to steal attention.

If you think having a high-contrast black border helps you to focus on what the display is showing, do you also think that normal text books would win in readability if there was a 1" black border printed around every text page??

Similarly, do any of you believe that textbooks should be written on glossy or reflective paper so that the text becomes more "lively" and "pop out" more??

Maybe Jobs was right, people do not read anymore.
 
Its what you want really. Matt or Gloss. For me I have been a fan of gloss screen all these while... till now and then its Gloss for as long as I can.

Apple made their macbook pro in bulk. With the sensing from the market, they had turned to gloss as a standard package. Thus should you want to change to matt, you would have to pay the premium. Therefore paying alittle more.

Remember for the older macbook pro, it was the other way round. You want to change to the gloss, you would have to pay a premium.

Thus its really what you want. Good and bad points for both the screen

Having said all these.... Enjoy your mac!
 
A silver border is more likely to have LESS contrast to whatever my desktop windows are showing and is therefore less likely to steal attention.

I agree.

If you think having a high-contrast black border helps you to focus on what the display is showing, do you also think that normal text books would win in readability if there was a 1" black border printed around every text page??

All I said is that it will increase contrast. It will increase the perceived and measurable contrast ratio. In pictures and video this will effect depth, 3d effect, color, etc. It makes the picture look "more real". That's it.

Similarly, do any of you believe that textbooks should be written on glossy or reflective paper so that the text becomes more "lively" and "pop out" more??

Textbooks which include highly detailed pictures often are printed on glossy paper or the photos are printed on glossy paper specifically to improve the quality of the image. Go look at a Biology textbook.

How much of your computer content is in Black and White and includes doesn't color pictures or videos? My usage is dominated with pictures and color.

Your arguments are relative but focus on your usage. If all you do is read and write in Black and White you don't even need a color screen. There are some hypothetical advantages here which include much lower graphics power and battery usage. Unfortunately for you, , I expect you are in the minority and most people's computer usage is centered on graphics usage.

The advantage of Anti Glare is glare reduction and that is it. A glossy display in an ambient light controlled environment will always look better. Unfortunately, I don't work in a light controlled environment.

I don't really understand why they left the border silver, except to make it obvious to identify the different displays.
 
No you wouldn't. It was a no cost option.




Only on two laptop models. And none of the portable ones. Or iMacs. Or apple displays.

Not that for me in Singapore. Then it was a premium to change to the hi res gloss for me
 
The black bezel around the Glossy display does not look "cheap", in fact it does two things. It makes the MBP look like a more professional product, and it improves color reproduction and color balance for the human eye. The glossy display has greater color balance, better black reproduction, better contrast, and provides a sharper picture than the matte option. Believe me, you do not know more than Apples engineers. The matte display is certainly a downgrade.

And what's the use of all this when you see your head all the time in the mirror in those "awesome" blacks and rich colors? :confused:
 
The glass doesn't fool you, it lets the colors pop.
No it doesn't since the panel is still TN. Putting a glossy coating on a TN panel or putting glass in front if it does not change the properties of that TN panel. The problem is what's behind the gloss. Glossy coatings and glass let light from the panel through same as matte only glossy coatings/glass are much better at it. So it seems that there is a difference between those screens while in fact there aren't any. It's like watching a magician like Hans Klok. It seems like he's stabbing his assistant but in fact he is not.

How would your eyes have to refocus all the time?
If you look at a matte display you'll mostly see whatever is being displayed by the screen (aka the output of your computer). With glossy screens you'll see that and a lot of other images that reflect in the screen. Your eyes are constantly adjusting to those reflections because you can see them quite well but not very clearly. It also creates a very "busy" screen since there can be a lot of reflections. Your eyes need to differentiate a lot of information. Those two things will require your eyes to do a lot of work and that is what is making them tired. Tired eyes can lead to things like dizziness, headaches, being tired, etc. Not everyone will notice it.

How does matte reduce the amount of light hitting the screen? It can't. Light is light- lower the blinds to reduce the amount of light. Matte just reduces the reflection.
There are two things you need to differentiate: the light emitted by the screen which it needs to pass through (or you won't see anything :p) and the light from everything else that is hitting the screen. Matte displays have a rough surface. When light hits a rough surface it will get dispersed everywhere and not in a tight beam. Because of that behaviour the screen won't have the reflections a glossy screen has. Military airplanes also take advantage of this and use matte paint. Sometime they paint a small area on the nose matte black. It's all about stopping reflections from coming into the cockpit and blinding the pilot(s).

Light is light but there is a really big difference in how it is dispersed.

The black bezel is nice because it takes the focus away from the edge and puts it in the center (because it's dark). Anyway... I personally prefer glossy because of the better colors but I can see why the OP thinks it's awesome.
Yes, the black does indeed take away the attention/focus but it does not alter the screen itself, that is technically impossible. The screen does not have a different contrast or colours or whatever when you paint it white or something.
Again, glossy does not have better colours since they use the exact same TN panel as the matte screens do. It just looks as if the colours are richer because you are being foiled.

If you really want something with great colours, get a screen with a PVA or even a S-IPS panel.

Matte = cheap plastic layer vs expensive Glass (glossy).
In case of the unibody MacBooks it's not about the materials but it's all about the structure. The glass plate in those machines is very thick and Apple uses it as a key feature in the structure of the lid. The glass is the thing that keeps it all together and makes it very rigid/sturdy. If you want the matte option you take out the glass and you also have a big big structural problem since you threw out the support for the structure. Apple had to redesign it so the structure is still rigid/sturdy as with the glass and that's why it's a 50$ upgrade. I would have preferred Apple didn't rely that much on the glass to give the lid it's strength but it is what it is :(
 
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