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To be fair, the modbook is a lot more powerful than the tablet, though for most people's needs, the tablet will do what they want, and a normal laptop and/or desktop will handle the heavier lifting.
 
OK, there will be full OS X IF...

With a purchase price of $900 and with no multitouch support on OS X, what would be the point of a tablet? Then just buy a used MacBook Air!


I hope that the tablet will be in the region of $500-600 and it will feature a lightweight OS, something between the iPhone OS and OS X. That would be more than enough for most of us. In fact, for reading magazines, books, surfing the web, basic text-edit; an iPhone OS with a turbocharger should be fine. If I can access my MacBook Pro from my iPhone, I think I will manage that from a larger device too.



But God, I still hate iTunes. Please, Apple, a simple drag-and-drop device would be nice! Syncing an iPhone is just the most annoying thing that I have ever done with a phone and a computer.

will apple be updating their site for this?

Nope, it will be mail order only through invitations. That's how they can manage the early demand.
 
I guess chances are that the Apple Tablet will be iPhone OS based. In that case I am not at all interested. All it will be is an over-sized iPhone/iPod Touch which I already own.:rolleyes:

Shame they couldn't have it run OSX Snow Leopard as using Reason 4 and Logic through touch would of been awesome. Oh well:(


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But God, I still hate iTunes. Please, Apple, a simple drag-and-drop device would be nice! Syncing an iPhone is just the most annoying thing that I have ever done with a phone and a computer.

Well, might i translate?
"I feel that iTunes is to hard to use to manage which files from my computer shall be synced with a device. Could there be a simpler and preferably a drag and drop solution?"

Here I agree as it is sometimes just too complicated or say "complex" to even manage, which apps shall be present, which PodCasts, iTunesU etc.

So you want iTunes as it synchronizes versioned files, so you get updates to those files that are present. Believe me, you want that.

Further I get it, that you want to add files that do not originate from iTunes (read, not have been loaded into iTunes previously). But i don't see how that could be accomplished except for enabling the iPhone as a storage device and then waiting for the ability of a finder on the device itself to access these files from the device. Did I understand you well? Because then you must live without it, because that would be a backdoor to execute any and most probably "dangerous" code on your IPhone and you don't want that either.

If you want then go for another solution but be aware that you might loose any warranty :)
 
I guess chances are that the Apple Tablet will be iPhone OS based. In that case I am not at all interested. All it will be is an over-sized iPhone/iPod Touch which I already own.:rolleyes:

Shame they couldn't have it run OSX Snow Leopard as using Reason 4 and Logic through touch would of been awesome. Oh well:(


Art

It would be good if you could use the tablet as a touch screen controller for Reason and Logic running on your Mac.
 
Why would you want to?

No, seriously, why in this day and age are we worried about file management? Let the applications take care of it, just decide what you want to call your file and have done with it. We've got spotlight that indexes the entire device, small focused applications which can simply store their data type in a subfolder without you even knowing and file management applications like iTunes that can handle shoving all this stuff about the place without any manual user involvement.

Again, the geeks amongst us (which, let's be honest, is most of us reading this forum) will always have a use for $FileManagerOfChoice but for the majority of people? Nah, time to move on.

You think only geeks use folders? In fact it's the geeks that use spotlight the most. My mom doesn't even know what the heck to do with spotlight even though I've showed her - she puts her stuff in folders. Basically - I want a folder on a desktop for my games, a folder for my navigation and a folder for my utilities so the entire screen isn't muddled with dozens and dozens of apps all over the freakin' screen.

And, responding to another post, Flash is a big deal, the tablet is going to be the size of a netbook so that really shouldn't be a problem and it's geeks who don't care about Flash - the average consumer just says "WTH - half the sites I go to don't work." Vimeo JUST started doing HTML5 to join YouTube but I can't tell you how many times I've tried to watch a YouTube video and it hasn't been changed over to H.264 yet. On a phone it's tolerable for the reasons you mentioned - mainly battery life - but if Apple is incapable of making something with a, likely, 11" diagonal foot print that's incapable of running flash then I really give them way too much credit. Over in the Windows world there have been tablets for over 5 years (in the computing world that's a long time, Vista wasn't even out yet) and they ran flash just fine.

Just make it an optional add-on then and please, for the Love of God, don't make me have to sync it to my freakin' computer - it's supposed to be a COMPUTER not an iPod.
 
And, responding to another post, Flash is a big deal, the tablet is going to be the size of a netbook so that really shouldn't be a problem and it's geeks who don't care about Flash - the average consumer just says "WTH - half the sites I go to don't work." Vimeo JUST started doing HTML5 to join YouTube but I can't tell you how many times I've tried to watch a YouTube video and it hasn't been changed over to H.264 yet. On a phone it's tolerable for the reasons you mentioned - mainly battery life - but if Apple is incapable of making something with a, likely, 11" diagonal foot print that's incapable of running flash then I really give them way too much credit. Over in the Windows world there have been tablets for over 5 years (in the computing world that's a long time, Vista wasn't even out yet) and they ran flash just fine.

Flash is a security risk. Period.
If a website wants visitors using a device that conforms to standards it might be the easiest way for that website to conform to those standards.
I hate even the memory to the days where a website was working in IE but broke in any other browser for some morons not seeing that their audience was not only using one specific browser.
So please don't lets get into that war about standards vs. lazyness or coolness at the cost of usability. Face it. A Flash most often resembles a bunch of images and no robot can see that content nor the blind. I hate Flash for what it is - not what they use it for.
 
Flash is a security risk. Period.
If a website wants visitors using a device that conforms to standards it might be the easiest way for that website to conform to those standards.
I hate even the memory to the days where a website was working in IE but broke in any other browser for some morons not seeing that their audience was not only using one specific browser.
So please don't lets get into that war about standards vs. lazyness or coolness at the cost of usability. Face it. A Flash most often resembles a bunch of images and no robot can see that content nor the blind. I hate Flash for what it is - not what they use it for.

We're just now getting to the point where places are just thinking about moving to HTML5 video. Sure having YouTube and Vimeo going that route is good but it's still a beta program and it the standard version of their sites will likely still be using flash for at least a couple/few more years.

I'm more shocked that you say "memory" when talking about days when stuff works in IE only - it's still going on today. My company (a fortune 500 who employs over 250,000 people) won't allow FireFox or anything other than IE due to "security risk" and intentionally blocks all other browsers from using half their systems and we're a company that's a leader in technology! (no, seriously...) So, we're still a LONG way being at the point you think we're at today.

I'm not arguing that Flash doesn't suck - it does and it eats the battery, I know that. However, if Apple seems to think it's ok to run on your laptop despite all the negatives why can't it run on your small form factor laptop? Unless of course they aren't going to market it as that. If they market it as a giant Touch then I suppose they can get around that but the general consensus amongst consumers is that tablets are just another form of a notebook - not a fatty version of a smart phone.
 
ERIN BURNETT is soooooooooo amazing!!! She can interview me any day....IM STILL SHOCKED SHE HASN'T MARRIED YET anyway....

The CEO divulged the iPhone OS tablet use, as part of innocence.
 
My company (a fortune 500 who employs over 250,000 people) won't allow FireFox or anything other than IE due to "security risk" and intentionally blocks all other browsers from using half their systems and we're a company that's a leader in technology!

LOL! "We use IE exclusively for security reasons." You just can't make this stuff up. My organization is stuck in IE 6 too. Corporate IT = morons. (Sorry corporate IT dudes, but you know it's true - blame the bureaucracy.)
 
LOL! "We use IE exclusively for security reasons." You just can't make this stuff up. My organization is stuck in IE 6 too. Corporate IT = morons. (Sorry corporate IT dudes, but you know it's true - blame the bureaucracy.)

Microsoft realized browser/shell integration was a mistake. IE6 is the last version to be integrated into explorer shell. IE7/8 basically runs the same as other browsers, or the pre-IE4 versions.
You can't always blame IT though. Our IT division wants to upgrade the company to IE7 or 8, but it is the other divisions and developers that are the hold up. It is quite easy for IT to upgrade IE these days. If they are the hold up, then yes, they are morons.
 
"..iPhone OS based machine.."

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I'm more shocked that you say "memory" when talking about days when stuff works in IE only - it's still going on today. My company (a fortune 500 who employs over 250,000 people) won't allow FireFox or anything other than IE due to "security risk" and intentionally blocks all other browsers from using half their systems and we're a company that's a leader in technology! (no, seriously...) So, we're still a LONG way being at the point you think we're at today.

I say memory as it was a real pain back then to ship around all the special cases in n browsers. Nowadays you can easily write markup that renders well in all browsers (When you allow the browser to render and do not insist on any single pixel because thats nonsense anyway. If your layout must not vary bay a single pixel ever then you should stick to images. If you don't want your layout to match best than you got the principle of (X)HTML / CSS wrong.)

I have had the honor to wrap a new design onto an intranet site (could have been your employer :) where the designer had no idea of the difference between print and web and where in the end i only needed one file with special css rules for one browser to make it work in almost all browsers (ok, i will never test for opera without explicit demand).

So in the end it comes down to that, that Safari on IPhone / IPod touch does support SVG (to my knowledge).

But anyway, if HTML5 solves those problems for a lot of mobile clients - wouldn't you think it might be worth being evaluated to move the entire site to HTML5 ? I mean talk about the age of XHTML1.1 now :) I use that one for web sites since 2003.

But come to speak of it: i still don't get why the IPod Touch doesn't have a camera allowing everyone to directly upload to youtube etc.
 
Posted by letaalio in another thread ...


I'll paste in the relevant quotes from the links. Looks interesting and quite plausible ...

Apple granted patent for a proximity-sensing touchscreen
By Nilay Patel posted Jan 27th 2010 7:37AM

Never say the USPTO doesn't have impeccable timing: on the eve of Apple's tablet launch (and on the very day we finally realized that we've been looking at the same set of Apple patent images in loosely-related filings since 2004), the Patent Office has granted Apple some 13 patents, including #7,653,883 for a proximity-sensing multitouch screen. That's right, granted -- as in, Apple can file a lawsuit if others infringe these ideas now. (Usually we just look at patent applications, which have no legal weight.) The proximity-sensing screen is obviously the most interesting of the bunch, since it's actually related to those same Apple multitouch patents we've been seeing forever -- it describes a touchscreen that can detect when an object (like a finger or a stylus) is close to the screen but not touching it, and then offer up context-dependent controls based on what it detects. Imagine seeing window controls when your hand gets close to the top of the window -- it solves the problem of your finger covering the display. Of course, we have no way of knowing whether it'll be in whatever device is announced tomorrow -- but it's certainly interesting. There's also a fun little design patent granted on the external design of the third-gen iPod nano, and then 11 other patents covering things like color management, bandwidth detection, and, uh, "Method and Apparatus for Selectively Switching IC Ports to Card Slots Through the use of Three Switches per Switch Group." Riveting, we know. Check the full breakdown at the read link.

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From reditt ...

1. It's a dual interface.. one setting makes it like the iPhone the other is touchless. I was very strange though and I think I could have gotten used to it given enough time but I had a huge mental block because I felt like I should be touching it if that makes sense. It also recognizes your face, the Slice did not know me so asked if I wanted a profile setup, I said "yes" out loud and it asked to see it's owner, it then asked the owner permission and they said "yes", it said "voiceprint identified account created", etc.

2. well, you'll see what I mean tomorrow. I'm sure it will be explained much more professionally.

3. saw several magazines and can tell you you do not want smudges on the magazine pages from touching the screen, flipping pages was easy, 1 finger = 1 page, 2 fingers equal next story. Make a circle with your hand index to thumb = main menu. fingers must be spaced apart a bit. If I had to put the device in simplest terms it is a giant iPhone/ebook it is thin, I'm talking sci-fi how the freak did they do that thin. Face recognition has many uses, to share around the family everyone has a profile and it switches instantly, it know you, your library etc.

4. Best I could describe it would be an aluminum blade, like the screen of the macbook air without the rest of the macbook air body, and a very thin bezel I'd say no more than 1/4inch *edit they had plain metal and white & black but it was done like that colorware company does.

5. 5mins was watching the demo mode, 5mins with a hands on tour and held on our own for 5mins. The most impressive game i saw was 2 player ping pong. Your index finger hovering about 2 inches above the Slice was the paddle. Also loved the version of Monopoly. iChat was rebuilt and there was a lot of work done on Slice to Slice iChat communications. The device runs iPhone 4.0 OS which is also released tomorrow. There is some sort of new dev kit (sorry not a geek) that will allow current apps to be ported using some sort of resolution scaling (mostly games I guess), they showed towerblox ported using it and it looked really nice. Oh checkers, chess 2player was fun.. this thing is not just a reader that will change media but it's going to completely re-invent board games..
 
Microsoft realized browser/shell integration was a mistake. IE6 is the last version to be integrated into explorer shell. IE7/8 basically runs the same as other browsers, or the pre-IE4 versions.
You can't always blame IT though. Our IT division wants to upgrade the company to IE7 or 8, but it is the other divisions and developers that are the hold up. It is quite easy for IT to upgrade IE these days. If they are the hold up, then yes, they are morons.

I wish it was someone else but I talked to the IT guys and they said they were still having problems getting IE7 (never mind 8) to render all their pages correctly so we're still using 6 and they block Firefox for "security reasons."

*bang head on desk*
 
I wish it was someone else but I talked to the IT guys and they said they were still having problems getting IE7 (never mind 8) to render all their pages correctly so we're still using 6 and they block Firefox for "security reasons."

*bang head on desk*

not really, no?

forcing IE7 into quirks mode will cause it to render the same way as it would be an IE6. Thats a workaround, but keeps things goin :)

Move, i need some space on that table - for me head. Dang!

;-)
 
I wish it was someone else but I talked to the IT guys and they said they were still having problems getting IE7 (never mind 8) to render all their pages correctly so we're still using 6 and they block Firefox for "security reasons."

*bang head on desk*

Sounds like in your situation, IT are the developers?
 
Sounds like in your situation, IT are the developers?

I bet they are not but do maintain an web app where there is no inhouse support anymore and that thingy is up and running (dont touch it, you get killed if you break it) and they are no developers, so of course they are having a hard time trying to change its presentation (layer).

Please tell me i am wrong :)
 
I wish it was someone else but I talked to the IT guys and they said they were still having problems getting IE7 (never mind 8) to render all their pages correctly so we're still using 6 and they block Firefox for "security reasons."

*bang head on desk*

Microsoft screwed us all by twisting Web standards with IE 6.

Web developers screwed us all by yelling "Uncle!" to the IE 6 twisting.

IE = scourge.
 
Well, might i translate?
"I feel that iTunes is to hard to use to manage which files from my computer shall be synced with a device. Could there be a simpler and preferably a drag and drop solution?"

That's not translation, that's just being anal.

So you want iTunes as it synchronizes versioned files, so you get updates to those files that are present. Believe me, you want that.

I don't believe you and I don't want that. I don't want iTunes and I don't care about updates. I want a simple solution to putting a few music files, pictures, podcasts and applications on my iPhone. Apple's current solution is NOT simple. It would be, if they didn't want you to use iTunes for everything.

Further I get it, that you want to add files that do not originate from iTunes (read, not have been loaded into iTunes previously). But i don't see how that could be accomplished except for enabling the iPhone as a storage device and then waiting for the ability of a finder on the device itself to access these files from the device.

Sir, I am truly sorry that not all my files originate from iTunes and I don't listen to music or manage my music library the 'iTunes way'.


Did I understand you well? Because then you must live without it, because that would be a backdoor to execute any and most probably "dangerous" code on your IPhone and you don't want that either.

Patronising, arrogant and I am starting to think that you are Steve Jobs. With this mentality, who else would try to tell me what I cannot do with my device? If I mess it up, then I just recover the device.

If you want then go for another solution but be aware that you might loose any warranty :)

Let ME translate... What you probably wanted to write was "If you want, then go for another solution, but beware that you might lose the warranty."
 
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