Meet My $2598 2011 MacBook Air . . .

[VMMan]

way to get the concept.

we're not agreed.

... except for here:

BTW, even $1/gallon milk is EXPENSIVE to ME, because I don't like to drink milk.

Whether or not it's expensive to YOU at $1/gallon, I don't know and would never make claim to know better than to you, what it's worth.

This assumes that you're not using the milk as tradable commodity, etc.

 

[nebulos]

BTW, even $1/gallon milk is EXPENSIVE to ME, because I don't like to drink milk.

Whether or not it's expensive to YOU at $1/gallon, I don't know and would never make claim to know better than to you, what it's worth.

This assumes that you're not using the milk as tradable commodity, etc.

you're arguing pointless semantics.

even if milk is poison to you, a gallon at 2 cents would be an incredibly cheap price.

if you only have $0.000000000000000001 to your name, you can't afford that milk, it's expensive to you, but that doesn't mean it's expensive.

you can use the word expensive in different ways, but its completely obvious and correct how i've been using it.

i assume you made your fortune as a linguist?

 

[andrewlgm]

wow. that is quite an incredible machine.

 

[VMMan]

you're arguing pointless semantics.

even if milk is poison to you, a gallon at 2 cents would be incredibly cheap.

if you only have $0.000000000000000001 to your name, you can't afford that milk, but that doesn't mean it isn't dirt cheap.

you can use the word expensive in different ways, but its completely obvious and correct how i've been using it.

i assume you made your fortune as a linguist?

Why do you get so riled up if somebody doesn't think the purchase is expensive?

Why do you assume that somebody has a "fortune" if they appreciate something and am willing to spend money, even if it is more money than YOU are willing to spend on an item?

 

[tech324]

Can you run speed tests on your new OWC drive? I know the standard apple drives get around 260 MB/sec for read and write. I want to know how your OWC performs.

 

[nebulos]

Why do you get so riled up if somebody doesn't think the purchase is expensive?

Why do you assume that somebody has a "fortune" if they appreciate something and am willing to spend money, even if it is more money than YOU are willing to spend on an item?

fair question.

i do overreact.

i gave OP some guff about this, but i also congratulated him, because he seemed happy with his purchase.

i get angry when people pretend like money has no value (or little), because it has no value to them. i get angry when people spend an extra $500 to get the highest specs on a mac that they will never ever use, simply because they can, when they could just as well have donated that money to people that could really use it.

i get angry when people waste money, because there are a lot of seriously poor people out there.

at the same time, i realize i'm a hypocrite, because i could easily give much more and take much less for myself. but i do not spend money frivolously. i couldn't really if i wanted to, but i hope i would do the same if i won the lottery tomorrow.

the fact is a dollar may mean very little to you, but keep in mind that same dollar means a lot to many people out there. i'm fine with people spending their money on things they need or want, but not when its wasted and i guess i feel like i see a lot of cash flushed down the toilet on this forum.

your interpretation of 'expensive' seems very related to this, the attitude that people should treat the money in their pocket as if they were writing their own personal amounts on the bills.

Bill Gates donates about 50% of his money, or so it is said. if i did this, i'd be in trouble and i couldn't really help too many people. On the other hand, it's very easy for Bill to do this, and he helps a buttload of people. just another example, for your consideration, of thinking of money objectively vs subjectively.

 

[VMMan]

fair question.

i do overreact.

i gave OP some guff about this, but i also congratulated him, because he seemed happy with his purchase.

i get angry when people pretend like money has no value (or little), because it has no value to them. i get angry when people spend an extra $500 to get the highest specs on a mac that they will never ever use, simply because they can, when they could just as well have donated that money to people that could really use it.

i get angry when people waste money, because there are a lot of seriously poor people out there.

at the same time, i realize i'm a hypocrite, because i could easily give much more and take much less for myself. but i do not spend money frivolously. i couldn't really if i wanted to, but i hope i would do the same if i won the lottery tomorrow.

the fact is a dollar may mean very little to you, but keep in mind that same dollar means a lot to many people out there. i'm fine with people spending their money on things they need or want, but not when its wasted and i guess i feel like i see a lot of cash flushed down the toilet on this forum.

your interpretation of 'expensive' seems very related to this, the attitude that people should treat the money in their pocket as if they were writing their own personal amounts on the bills.

Bill Gates donates about 50% of his money, or so it is said. if i did this, i'd be in trouble and i couldn't really help too many people. On the other hand, it's very easy for Bill to do this, and he helps a buttload of people. just another example, for your consideration, of thinking of money objectively vs subjectively.

Okay, I can understand that. I don't like materialism, or those who don't respect money either. Thanks for the reply.

 

[Jiten]

I'm sure a lot of old time notebook users here remember paying 3 to 4K for underpowered ultraportables 10 years ago. Compared to that, this is actually a really good deal.

i get angry when people waste money, because there are a lot of seriously poor people out there.

at the same time, i realize i'm a hypocrite, because i could easily give much more and take much less for myself. but i do not spend money frivolously. i couldn't really if i wanted to, but i hope i would do the same if i won the lottery tomorrow.

the fact is a dollar may mean very little to you, but keep in mind that same dollar means a lot to many people out there. i'm fine with people spending their money on things they need or want, but not when its wasted and i guess i feel like i see a lot of cash flushed down the toilet on this forum.

I know this is probably not the thread for this but I understand your concern for money as I'm very budget conscious myself and investing a lot for my retirement but you really should accept the fact that whether you like it or not you will encounter people who spend lavishly on things that you may consider frivolous.

I have a couple of rich friends who spend crazy amounts on cash on exotic cars and the like. Can I tell them to change their ways and use their money more responsibly, hopefully give some of it to the needy? Yes, I can and I already did. But can we change their minds and return that Lamborghini they just bought to support a kid with cancer? Sadly, not really.

Bottom line is, just practice what you want to do for others and accept that we can't control how other people around us act. We should not let it bother us so much.

 

[Vortron]

Well OK, being the thread starter here, I just wanted to make a comment regarding the excessive price flamers.

I'm 57 years and have worked hard my entire life as a pilot and scientist. I have no mortgage, no car payment, no credit card debt and have never paid any interest as I belive in pay-as you-go. Look boys and girls, say I dropped $1300 on an SSD for my MBA because that's what I wanted to do. Most "in the matrix" consumers pay more than that in interest to the zionist bankers and corporate scammers every month.

Who's dumb here?

 

[TC25]

fair question.

i do overreact.

i gave OP some guff about this, but i also congratulated him, because he seemed happy with his purchase.

i get angry when people pretend like money has no value (or little), because it has no value to them. i get angry when people spend an extra $500 to get the highest specs on a mac that they will never ever use, simply because they can, when they could just as well have donated that money to people that could really use it.

i get angry when people waste money, because there are a lot of seriously poor people out there.

at the same time, i realize i'm a hypocrite, because i could easily give much more and take much less for myself. but i do not spend money frivolously. i couldn't really if i wanted to, but i hope i would do the same if i won the lottery tomorrow.

the fact is a dollar may mean very little to you, but keep in mind that same dollar means a lot to many people out there. i'm fine with people spending their money on things they need or want, but not when its wasted and i guess i feel like i see a lot of cash flushed down the toilet on this forum.

your interpretation of 'expensive' seems very related to this, the attitude that people should treat the money in their pocket as if they were writing their own personal amounts on the bills.

Bill Gates donates about 50% of his money, or so it is said. if i did this, i'd be in trouble and i couldn't really help too many people. On the other hand, it's very easy for Bill to do this, and he helps a buttload of people. just another example, for your consideration, of thinking of money objectively vs subjectively.

Simple solution. How people spend their money is none of your business.

 

[nebulos]

Simple solution. How people spend their money is none of your business.

i suppose in extreme cases, that's debatable. however, for the most part, of course it's none of my business.

except, when someone posts a thread about how they spend their money, don't i get to post my opinion?

(did i go a little too far here? maybe. did you read ALL of my comments, in context?)

Well OK, being the thread starter here, I just wanted to make a comment regarding the excessive price flamers.

I'm 57 years and have worked hard my entire life as a pilot and scientist. I have no mortgage, no car payment, no credit card debt and have never paid any interest as I belive in pay-as you-go. Look boys and girls, say I dropped $1300 on an SSD for my MBA because that's what I wanted to do. Most "in the matrix" consumers pay more than that in interest to the zionist bankers and corporate scammers every month.

Who's dumb here?

can you please define 'Zionist bankers'?

i have to assume that you understand that a large majority of debt is more or less necessary, or at least sensible, not all being shoes from the mall. certainly a lot of debt out there is stupid, but even still, arguing that your decision was better than other people's stupid decisions is not exactly redeeming.

I'm sure a lot of old time notebook users here remember paying 3 to 4K for underpowered ultraportables 10 years ago. Compared to that, this is actually a really good deal.

this is the kind of argument that got me (re)started in the first place!

if you read back at what set me off, it's the crazy justifications people were making, one person calling this a 'steal'. spend the money, fine. but, please, let's not pretend this is something different than what it is.

Bottom line is, just practice what you want to do for others and accept that we can't control how other people around us act. We should not let it bother us so much.

agreed.

 

[oyibo45]

As a followup, here's a photo of the new MBA beast running Garmin Mobile PC GPS on Boot Camp Windows 7 Pro x64 in my FJ Cruiser. I wish Mac OS had cool GPS programs like this.

[FJ Cruiser Pic]

Hipster detected! (I mean that in a good way, lol)
Awesome modded MBA

 

[Vortron]

can you please define 'Zionist bankers'?

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/money-madness/money-as-debt.html

i have to assume that you understand that a large majority of debt is more or less necessary, or at least sensible, not all being shoes from the mall. certainly a lot of debt out there is stupid, but even still, arguing that your decision was better than other people's stupid decisions is not exactly redeeming.

I never said my decision was better. I just expressed my opinion that paying interest is dumb, but since you think it's necessary, pay on.

I have to assume that you have no idea what you are talking about. Debt is necessary only if you wish to live as a controlled slave.

 

[nebulos]

i have to assume that you understand that a large majority of debt is more or less necessary, or at least sensible, not all being shoes from the mall. certainly a lot of debt out there is stupid, but even still, arguing that your decision was better than other people's stupid decisions is not exactly redeeming.

I never said my decision was better. I just expressed my opinion that paying interest is dumb, but since you think it's necessary, pay on.

I have to assume that you have no idea what you are talking about. Debt is necessary only if you wish to live as a controlled slave.

borrowing money is part of life for most people. it doesn't make them slaves. a lot of people can't go to school without taking out loans. most people can't own a home, own a car, or start a business without taking out loans.

borrowing money in itself is not a bad choice. it's how the world does business. of course, like everything, you can do it smart and you can do it dumb.

fyi, i have zero debt and have never taken out a loan for anything. that's not because i'm rich, but because i went to very affordable schools that i was able to pay for with help from family and scholarships, and i've always driven used cars. my first car only went into reverse when it was 'warm' and i used to have to push it out of parking spots. anyways, even if i haven't lived the high life, i was still lucky not to have needed a school loan. others aren't so lucky. and for many others still, it just makes good financial sense to take them out to get their careers going.

if you can define 'Zionist banker' in words, i'd still be interested.

 

[Vortron]

borrowing money is part of life for most people. it doesn't make them slaves. a lot of people can't go to school without taking out loans. most people can't own a home, own a car, or start a business without taking out loans.

borrowing money in itself is not a bad choice. it's how the world does business. of course, like everything, you can do it smart and you can do it dumb.

if you can define 'Zionist banker' in words, i'd still be interested.

C'mon, you have a computer, you can look it up. If you really want to know how debt works, just read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" (http://www.johnperkins.org/).

 

[nebulos]

C'mon, you have a computer, you can look it up. If you really want to know how debt works, just read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" (http://www.johnperkins.org/).

to get to the point, 'Zionist bankers' has an anti-semitic ring to it. is it?

 

[Vortron]

to get to the point, 'Zionist bankers' has an anti-semitic ring to it. is it?

Maybe it does if you ring it, which obviously you want to. That's certainly not my take though.

 

[VMMan]

borrowing money is part of life for most people. it doesn't make them slaves. a lot of people can't go to school without taking out loans. most people can't own a home, own a car, or start a business without taking out loans.

borrowing money in itself is not a bad choice. it's how the world does business. of course, like everything, you can do it smart and you can do it dumb.

I don't think the OP is saying that loans on occasion aren't necessary if used strategically by an individual. I do think he is stating that loans should be avoided if at all possible, and generally, most people allow debt to either grow out of hand or to be used for trivial purposes.

There's some expression I heard, that goes something like:

Kings own gold, gentlemen own silver, and slaves own debt.


Related to individuals making bad decisions about individual debt, I believe the OP made reference to the Federal Reserve and the primary bank dealers who have access to the Fed. Whether it's because of the private nature of the Fed, preferential treatment by the Fed to their dealers, fiat currency system, fractional reserve banking, monetization of debt, inflation tax caused by the Fed, etc, there are many who oppose the Fed.

Back to the thread:

I think the OP's computer is a great machine, and I'll probably end up getting a large SSD in my next MBP and MBA upgrades.

 

[nebulos]

Maybe it does if you ring it, which obviously you want to. That's certainly not my take though.

i don't want to. i would be disappointed if this were the case. i'm glad that's not your interpretation or intention, but i hope my concern is understandable. i'd still like to hear a brief definition of this term; having never heard it, it has a bad sound to it. google-ing only leads to a bunch of weird sites, which are not super enlightening or encouraging. it sounds like you're just saying 'Jewish bankers'.

 

[Vortron]

Thank you VMMan, you are THE MAN and made my day! May the wind always be at your back.

I don't think the OP is saying that loans on occasion aren't necessary if used strategically by an individual. I do think he is stating that loans should be avoided if at all possible, and generally, most people allow debt to either grow out of hand or to be used for trivial purposes.

There's some expression I heard, that goes something like:

Kings own gold, gentlemen own silver, and slaves own debt.


Related to individuals making bad decisions about individual debt, I believe the OP made reference to the Federal Reserve and the primary bank dealers who have access to the Fed. Whether it's because of the private nature of the Fed, preferential treatment by the Fed to their dealers, fiat currency system, fractional reserve banking, monetization of debt, inflation tax caused by the Fed, etc, there are many who oppose the Fed.

Back to the thread:

I think the OP's computer is a great machine, and I'll probably end up getting a large SSD in my next MBP and MBA upgrades.

 

[nebulos]

not sure why i'm getting voted down. perhaps i jumped to conclusions; i just don't know how else to interpret that term. i asked very simply for a definition several times. not sure how i could have approached that differently.

maybe someone else can explain what 'Zionist bankers' means and why i'm crazy for thinking it sounds questionable.

 

[xraydoc]

The MacBook Air the OP has is very cool.

The politics of this thread, however, leave a lot to be desired.

Let's either stick to topic or have one of the mods close it up before it gets out of hand.

 

[TC25]

Maybe it does if you ring it, which obviously you want to. That's certainly not my take though.

Then why not simply call them bankers?

 

[ApplePu]

@Vortron:

People who work hard for their money should be allowed to spend it on things they personally need or just want.....so as long we are happy with our machines, I honestly don't care what other guys are thinking....enjoy your MBA, I will mine


this ultimate MBA gives me exactly what I need:
slim and very light design, good performance and enough storage on the go without fumbling with an external drive.....

If I would need a big screen, great performance, better graphics I would go for the 17" MBP and pay $2500 which is not cheap as well.

so I invested the same amount of money for a device that gives me exactly what I need and more. Another guy spends the same money for an MBP because it gives him what HE needs.....so would you call the MBP buyer crazy as well?

I mean: if you want your perfect mac, it will cost you $$$. If you can spend it, get it. if not, get something made out of plastic.

 

[mubert]

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