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[Merged] General Discussion - Android OS vs. iPhone OS
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People who buy Android phones just want any phone and the reason the phone comes with Android is that Android is free for the cellphone makers. People who buy Android phones just want a phone. They DO NOT WANT APPS.
Just as people who buy netbooks running on Linux DO NOT BUY APPS.
And if you dare to slip a couple of advertisements here and there through the Android phone - BACK TO THE STORE THE PHONE GOES!!!
Not that they cannot afford it - it is that they DON'T WANT it. These people just want to pay for PHONE CALLS. They want to pay for NOTHING ELSE. Not the phone, not apps, NOTHING, NADA, ZIPPO.
Apple does a great job of marketing, no doubt. But great marketing, in the long run, only gets a product into the consideration set of a particular consumer. Yes, some folks buy things because they think it's 'cool', but word of mouth takes over at some point and the world is full of cool no longer cool because of function.
What I've not seen a lot of folks talk about in this thread is the impact of how easily the iPhone makes it for most non technical folks to enjoy the benefits of the iPhone social network. Get a group of average technology users talking about their iPhone, and the commonality of the hardware makes it easy to share tips and tricks. My guess is the overwhelming majority of smartphone users have a definition of 'root' that's far different from the owner of an android phone. And because of the fragmented and open nature of the droid ecosystem, currently the Droid appeals more to the technology enamored than to the average user. That may change as the platform matures.
All that being said, this is more about two fundamentally different approaches to the market. There is plenty of room for more than one winner in this space and as log as the approach taken generates profits (which assumes the costs of continued r&d), a place in the marketplace is provided.
So sit back, enjoy the phone you've chosen, and watch the benefit of choice provide all of us even more useful products going forward.
What I've not seen a lot of folks talk about in this thread is the impact of how easily the iPhone makes it for most non technical folks to enjoy the benefits of the iPhone social network. Get a group of average technology users talking about their iPhone, and the commonality of the hardware makes it easy to share tips and tricks. My guess is the overwhelming majority of smartphone users have a definition of 'root' that's far different from the owner of an android phone. And because of the fragmented and open nature of the droid ecosystem, currently the Droid appeals more to the technology enamored than to the average user. That may change as the platform matures.
All that being said, this is more about two fundamentally different approaches to the market. There is plenty of room for more than one winner in this space and as log as the approach taken generates profits (which assumes the costs of continued r&d), a place in the marketplace is provided.
So sit back, enjoy the phone you've chosen, and watch the benefit of choice provide all of us even more useful products going forward.
Explanations for the following then?
Robo Defense - $3.99
Market sales currently over 250,000
$997500 spent @ 250,000
Beautiful Widgets - $1.97
Market sales 50,000 - 250,000
$98500 @ 50,000 copies sold.
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JwelLust - $2.95
Market sales 50,000 - 250,000
$147500 @ 50,000 copies sold
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My Backup Pro - $4.99
Market sales 50,000 - 250,000
$249500 @ 50,000 copies sold.
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Of course, no one buys teh apps!
Explanations for the following then?
Of course, no one buys teh apps!
I'm not saying absolutely nobody buys Android, what I AM saying is that the a much much larger percentage of people who buy Android phones are not interested in buying apps - either they have no money, or that they have the money but do not want to. So all those market stats that say Android is gaining market share don't mean much as it does NOT make the platform any more lucrative.
Android to Google will be Java to Sun - given away for free just to bankrupt the company (if they hadn't sold themselves to Oracle) - and Java has no competition!!! Well at least Google will survive from the web ad revenue. But how long can they throw money down the drain this way is anyone's guess.
I disagree with the statement that "people who buy Android phones just want a phone". Some of the pricier phones on the market are Android phones and there's no way someone would pay for an expensive device and it's expensive data plan just because they want any phone. People like that get dumb phones.
I got my EVO because I was having reception problems with my iPhone 4 (and yes, I was using a case by the way). I decided to see what all this Android fuss was about before I got committed to another AT&T contract. I have 30 days to try it out so why not?
Android has a huge learning curve and you have to look everywhere to find out how to do stuff. That being said, Im slowly figuring this thing out and so far I can say it does some things much better than the iPhone and some things not so well. I have been pleasantly surprised by many things on Android but one thing that sucks is getting your music and videos loaded. Its a messy third party affair and I don't know why Google hasn't developed their own
built in system.
Except for the Google applications (which are awesome) the Android Marketplace is pretty weak and overpriced. Doodle jump for the iPhone is 99 cents but $3.49 on the Marketplace. No thanks. This would be a lot tougher if I didn't have an iPad which has become my iOS security blanket.
If Google can improve their appstore and develop a better solution for getting media loaded onto an Android device--then I'd say Android would actually be *better* than iOS. However, that's not the case now and currently I'd rather have an iPhone and may switch back. The hard part would be giving up the excellent reception and unlimited data for AT&T again. Ugh.
This sounds like a comment made by an uniformed, inexperienced, person who is biased towards Apple.
Android is completely different than iOS, RIM, Windows Mobile, webOS, Meego, et al.
Viva Le Difference...
Look, back in the days I was an OS/2 fanboy. It was a superior OS with pre-emptive multitasking and everything. I even looked at the API and thought it was a superior API to the MS Win16/MFC. But I underestimated MS's first move advantage and how people only care about what they already had and knew and didn't want to learn a new OS or anything unfamiliar and most people were not nerds and geeks.
Let me just tell you this, fooled me once, won't get fooled again!
You could also say this is Mac vs. Windows playing itself out in the smartphone world. You have a closed ecosystem with hardware and software controlled by a single company (Apple/Mac/iPhone) versus an ostensibly more "open" platform where one company controls the OS and spreads it across multiple hardware manufacturers (Microsoft/Windows/PCs).
Back in the original Macintosh days, Apple was first on the block and had a head start in the market. Then came Windows and what happened with all of that market share? If you are a developer with limited financial resources, you will develop for the product with greatest market share. Right now that's iPhone, but don't be surprised if it becomes Android. Apple says they have the better experience. Yes, they do. They also had a better experience with Macintosh. But the market decided on Windows because it was cheaper and customers had more options. Which one became ubiquitous?
Eventually price and freedom of choice will prevail over a prettier UI. It always has. History may be repeating itself.
Back in the original Macintosh days, Apple was first on the block and had a head start in the market. Then came Windows and what happened with all of that market share? If you are a developer with limited financial resources, you will develop for the product with greatest market share. Right now that's iPhone, but don't be surprised if it becomes Android. Apple says they have the better experience. Yes, they do. They also had a better experience with Macintosh. But the market decided on Windows because it was cheaper and customers had more options. Which one became ubiquitous?
Eventually price and freedom of choice will prevail over a prettier UI. It always has. History may be repeating itself.
No, no, no, no, no. Apple did NOT have a head start. MS did because of IBM. IBM was the big muscle and they put PCs everywhere - in the office and in the home. Windows ran on DOS and that was that.
To say Apple had a head start is to say Radio Shack TRS-80 had a head start. As if.
So what does any of that have to do with the success of OS/2 in the marketplace? The primary reason it failed was because it didnt ship on new computers and it was expensive to buy if you wanted to install it on a computer. Windows on the other hand shipped pre installed. Just like how android is already installed smartphones.
Since you bring up first mover advantage, Apple also had an easy to use OS, while PCs had DOS and windows. But eventually apple lost that first mover advantage because one company cannot keep up against many in a commoditized hardware market.
Finally your assertion that people that get free android phones wont spend a dollar or two on an apps is just retarded. before smartphones got popular people were downloading ringtones and games on feature phones which often cost $0 to purchase.
The primary reason it failed was it was not what the Windows users wanted. It did ship on new computers if you requested it - but of course nobody wanted it.
Apple NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER had the first mover advantage. The first mover advantage belonged to Microsoft. Apple, even with their superior OS, could not make up for this lack of first mover advantage. DOS had the first mover advantage. Everything was running on DOS, and only Windows could run DOS programs, and thus EVERYBODY wanted Windows. It took Apple 20 years and a new platform built on iPods to slowly lure the users over to the Mac.
It will take Android 40 years if they don't disappear in 7.
So what? People were pirating music for years before Apple came up with iTunes to make money.
Just because people download ringtones and games don't mean they are willing to pay for them. Apple users have been proven to be willing to spend. Android users? Some. Maybe. Some. Be my guess if you want to bet your business on them.
This makes absolutely no sense. Any point you intended on making goes out the window with off the wall opinions that you believe are fact.
So what apps am I NOT buying that I bought on my iphone 4? No question about it, the app store has WAY more apps than the market does. But that doesn't mean much.
Apps that I use on a regular basis:
iphone 4 apps:
1.) google maps - free
2.) sportacular - free
3.) sportscenter - free
4.) eBay - free
5.) facebook - free
6.) StarWalk - $2.99
7.) fieldrunners - $2.99
8.) MsPacman - $1.99
9.) Martha the dog - $2.99
10.) Angry Birds - $.99
11.) TomTom U.S./Mexico (turn by turn) - $59.99
total apps listed = $71.94
evo apps:
1.) google maps - free
2.) sportacular - free
3.) sportscenter - free
4.) eBay - free
5.) facebook - free
6.) GoogleSky (exact same thing as StarWalk) - free
7.) RoboDefense (similar to fieldrunners but definitely not as good) - free
8.) Pacman - free
9.) Sprint TV - Anything Disney Channel - free
10.) NO angry birds here yet!
11.) google maps/sprint navigation (both turn by turn) - free
total apps listed = free
After thinking about what you said some more, you are right. I don't like buying apps! I love getting apps for FREE
That's BS. The vast majority of PCs windows was the ONLY option. OS/2 had poor driver support so if you wanted it you had to buy it on your own. People take the least path of resistance. That's why IE is still the dominant browser even though there are several superior
So you acknowledge that a more user friendly OS doesnt mean crap when it comes to market acceptance? It's all about who gets the most devices out right? Well guess what, Android marketshare is growing rapidly and taking marketshare away from everyone, including apple. Anyone with half a brain knows that android will be the OS market share leader eventually.
What are you retarded? How can you download a ringtone for $1.99 without paying for it? Before there were easy ways to make your own ringtones, ringtone sales generated huge profits for record labels.
The reason the majority of PCs Windows was the only option was that people did not want OS/2 so the smaller PC makers didn't even bother offering them. If people did order OS/2 based PC in enough quantity from the PC makers that did offer them, the others would follow, and drivers would come. Have you looked at Windows XP? They can't make it go away. So stop being just a techie geek and learn a little bit about business. If the demand is there the business will exist to satisfy it.
Wrong. Read some of my previous posts. Palm OS died even though it had the first mover advantage. But Apple would not make the same mistake. They will hold on to the lead. Android market share is like a small tabloid newspaper being passed out for free on street corners. Most of them end up in the proverbial trash bin of the consumer market but "ha haaaaa!! look at our daily circulation"!!!!!!!
You have to humor me.... selling $1.99 ringtone = the most significant advance in mobile business model since the invention of cellphones.
That was before Apple's app store came online.
Well, Android also have plenty of muscles behind it. Samsung is a tech giant. Samsung Electronics is hiring 10K new workers this year along! Add Google, Motorola, HTC, LG and Sony and it is clear that Apple is over-matched.
78% of all Android Phone owners have an E-Machine or Acer Desktop/Laptop.
- Gallup Poll ICe Research Q2 - 2010
wat?
- Gallup Poll ICe Research Q2 - 2010
wat?
Google and the seven dwarves.
Remember how everybody was ganging up on Intel to get a piece of the x86 processor market????? Even IBM gave up.
Samsung should take a page from IBM's history and stick to making flat screen TVs.
Once Apple brings the iphone to all US carriers, I suspect the android growth rate would decline rapidly. Reason the android growth rate is increasing is due to its availability to all carriers and multiple manufactures making them. People on other carriers buy phones, not because it has android os in it. So, once the iphone is available to all carriers, it will be interesting to see what happens and once the window phone 7 comes into market as well. The window phone 7 will impact the android moreso!
Dwarves? You should be aware that everything inside iPhone 4 is made by those "dwarves": CPU, memory, display etc. Apple provided antenna and PR. Both have not been very good lately
Care to provide a link? I googled "gallup" "2010" and "android" and nothing supporting your claim shows up.
Oh btw, you do know your iphone is manufactured by Foxconn right? Back in the day they used to make really crappy motherboards, but now they've moved on to making iphones
What planet are you from? x86 was and still is the defacto standard and everyone had to either license or reverse engineer their x86 compatible processors. iOS is nowhere near the dominant force that intel is. In fact android devices outsold iOS devices last quarter. There has never been a time in history when an non intel processors have ever outsold intel processors.
What does intel not extending IBMs license past the 486 have to do with samsung??