Message to All Jailbreakers and Future Jailbreakers

[amirite]

There are going to be more people newly buying the 4th gen iPhone in July than there are buying a 3GS with 3.1.3 now.

Those few people now, who have never even jailbroken (so they're not losing anything) can surely wait until July for the 4.0 jailbreak which will be for everybody.

4.0 is more important than a .1 update. If the jailbreak was released now, then when 4.0 was released, you would have to wait weeks - or even months - for a new jailbreak.

Stop being so selfishly short-sighted.

 

[darngooddesign]

No he actually did talk about how jailbreaking is a big thing and if the developers of these jailbreaks would market them a little better they would actually make more money than they'd think. Because people realy do buy the apps from the cydia store, people really do donate money to dev team and geohot.

If they jailbreak now Apple will plug the exploit before 4.0 is released and then no one will be able to jailbreak. So which makes more economic sense.

 

[thelatinist]

I think you are very confused. Jailbreaks are not commercial products, they're services created for free by volunteers who believe in what they are doing. The people who create them are not looking to maximize their market share or short-term profitability, they are trying to help as many people asthey can over the long haul. This is -- pardon me -- the kind of half-baked analysis typical of a freshman Econ class. Just enough knowledge to be dangerous and no idea how and when to apply it.

 

[sinsin07]

I think you are very confused. Jailbreaks are not commercial products, they're services created for free by volunteers who believe in what they are doing. The people who create them are not looking to maximize their market share or short-term profitability, they are trying to help as many people asthey can over the long haul. This is -- pardon me -- the kind of half-baked analysis typical of a freshman Econ class. Just enough knowledge to be dangerous and no idea how and when to apply it.

Watch out there, you might be addressing a future Fed chairman. LOL

To the OP, your SOL until such time a JB is release. Jailbreaking is living life on the edge. There are certain risk and responsibilities you must accept, like not being to update right away, etc. Your scenario, new iPhone to replace a broken one, is one of those examples.

 

[Cortezbanks]

If they jailbreak now Apple will plug the exploit before 4.0 is released and then no one will be able to jailbreak. So which makes more economic sense.

I see what you did there

 

[simer]

Jailbreaking is living life on the edge.

Classic!! I actually did laugh out loud when I read this! Very funny. Now I think about it I often feel like I must be getting the same buzz my mate gets from extreme sports when I hack my phone.

Jailbreaking's fun and all, and useful if you want to unlock your phone (like I do), but I think you're romanticizing it a tad there, my friend! Gotta love your enthusiasm though.

 

[pixelated]

There are going to be more people newly buying the 4th gen iPhone in July than there are buying a 3GS with 3.1.3 now.

Source? Link? Sales reports that fell back through time? Do you have any evidence (which previous years sales are not) for the above statement?
It looks extremely sloppy and, well, wrong, if you take claims that can in no way be verified and treat them as truth.

 

[thelatinist]

Source? Link? Sales reports that fell back through time? Do you have any evidence (which previous years sales are not) for the above statement? It looks extremely sloppy and, well, wrong, if you take claims that can in no way be verified and treat them as truth.

I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that more people will buy the iPhone HD over the next two years than will have purchased the iPhone 3G or 3GS with 3.1.3 preinstalled before the HD is released. I think to deny that is disingenuous.

 

[pixelated]

I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that more people will buy the iPhone HD over the next two years than will have purchased the iPhone 3G or 3GS with 3.1.3 preinstalled before the HD is released. I think to deny that is disingenuous.

Of course over the next two years. I was commenting on the statement that more people will be buying a 4.0/HD in july than the 3Gs now, whatever now means.
Obviously the fan boys will be queuing up for it, but where is the proof that is will automatically make better sales than products 'now'.
I totally agree with the OP in regards to the JB, but to attempt to make it a reasoned response from the statement i quoted seems 1, unrelated, and 2, unfounded.
the exploits are being held so that the JB will work on more devices and more firmwares, not because the X new users on 4.0 who will have to wait for a JB is larger than the X number of users on 3.1.3. now

 

[MikePA]

Hello fellow MacRumors members. I understand that jailbreak Developers such as Dev Team and Geohot don't want to release a new jailbreak until a new iPhone releases or when 4.0 releases. But what I don't think they understand is that by not releasing one now they are losing out on consumers who just got an iPhone 3gs with 3.1.3 and want to jailbreak or previous jailbreaking customers who inevitably got 3.1.3. They did tell everyone not to upgrade but what about the people who's phone happened to break and had to get a replacement, or the people who just bought one or other random by possible cases. Like myself my phones plug for the charger broke, I had to get a replacement and it came with 3.1.3. Now I can't use the 60 dollars of apps I purchased from Cydia. I just think it's not a smart decision for the marketing of their jailbreaks. I don't know how much you guys agree with me on it but I'd like your opinions. No flaming please, keep it cordial.

What you don't understand, as proven by your post, is product marketing.

The number of people in your situation are tiny when compared to the entire jb community and the huge potential market for more when the next iPhone comes out with 4.0. So, to satisfy a minority of their customers (like you) , they are supposed to risk Apple closing the exploit in 4.0?

 

[SavMBP15]

im not to sure why everyone is speaking like youre an idiot.. but think of it this way.. if they release the tools now, then apple can fix the holes they currently use. it does make sense to keep the JB to themselves since they can help a lot more people after 4.0 is out. moral is, help a couple now, or help a few later. i understand you bought products from cydia and its not fair, but its best for the JB community to wait it out. GL.

Because he is. He did not even do the research to understand that the people who develop the jailbreaks do not sell them. Only Geohot asks for donations and could not really care if he gets any. So to them, by waiting a few more months it doesn't matter.

 

[simer]

Of course over the next two years. I was commenting on the statement that more people will be buying a 4.0/HD in july than the 3Gs now, whatever now means.
Obviously the fan boys will be queuing up for it, but where is the proof that is will automatically make better sales than products 'now'.
I totally agree with the OP in regards to the JB, but to attempt to make it a reasoned response from the statement i quoted seems 1, unrelated, and 2, unfounded.
the exploits are being held so that the JB will work on more devices and more firmwares, not because the X new users on 4.0 who will have to wait for a JB is larger than the X number of users on 3.1.3. now

I'm not really sure what you are really saying in this post. Are you agreeing with the OP or agreeing with the jb groups' decisions?

I have seen it written that 10 percent of iDevice users jailbreak while I read on this very site that over 8.5 million iPhones were sold in Q1 this year. If, at an extremely generous estimate we were to assume that half of these were shipped with 3.1.3 this leaves us with 400,000 users left waiting, probably no more than 2-3 months for a jailbreak, if you don't count the noisy minority who ignored advice to upgrade.

If Apple shipped 45 million iPhones prior to the end of last calendar year that means there are 4.5 million existing jailbreakers. Even if the Dev Team (who accept no money for their work by the way) or Geohot (who accepts only voluntary donations) were operating to a commercial distribution model, it would still be in their best interests to maximise their ability to maintain ongoing support for their existing 4.5 million existing "customers", would it not? To burn exploits (the ability to continue doing "business") to pick up a few hundred thousand more who, let's face it will most likely wait the short while required and sign up anyway, would be a short term and short sighted strategy. If the OP's economics teacher can't see this then he/ she should probably be looking at a new subject or career. Although, since those that can't do, teach, perhaps they are already where they should be.

Also, since one can't prove anything in the future, it seems silly to require proof that Apple releasing a new iPhone will accelerate sales. This is surely an easy assumption to make.

 

[Penguissimo]

Because he is. He did not even do the research to understand that the people who develop the jailbreaks do not sell them. Only Geohot asks for donations and could not really care if he gets any. So to them, by waiting a few more months it doesn't matter.

I think his big mistake is conflating the developers of jailbreak tools (whose financial stake in jailbreaking runs from very little to none) with the developers of jailbroken apps (who actually DO have a financial stake).

I bet the OP's professor just accidentally updated to 3.1.3 (or bought a new device with 3.1.3 on it already) and is impatient now

 

[Applejuiced]

Source? Link? Sales reports that fell back through time? Do you have any evidence (which previous years sales are not) for the above statement?
It looks extremely sloppy and, well, wrong, if you take claims that can in no way be verified and treat them as truth.

Do you really need proof that the new iphone will sell alot more than any iphone 3GS sales now with 3.1.3 10 months since its release?
If we judge by previous years where sales have increased from the 2G to the 3G and the 3GS have you can see the pattern accelerated sales will continue. It will most likelly sell more than the 3GS in total. Common sense.

 

[dccorona]

Hello fellow MacRumors members. I understand that jailbreak Developers such as Dev Team and Geohot don't want to release a new jailbreak until a new iPhone releases or when 4.0 releases. But what I don't think they understand is that by not releasing one now they are losing out on consumers who just got an iPhone 3gs with 3.1.3 and want to jailbreak or previous jailbreaking customers who inevitably got 3.1.3. They did tell everyone not to upgrade but what about the people who's phone happened to break and had to get a replacement, or the people who just bought one or other random by possible cases. Like myself my phones plug for the charger broke, I had to get a replacement and it came with 3.1.3. Now I can't use the 60 dollars of apps I purchased from Cydia. I just think it's not a smart decision for the marketing of their jailbreaks. I don't know how much you guys agree with me on it but I'd like your opinions. No flaming please, keep it cordial.

you can jailbreak 3.1.3.....my friend has a jailbroken one right now. Its more complicated than a normal jailbreak but its doable

 

[Applejuiced]

you can jailbreak 3.1.3.....my friend has a jailbroken one right now. Its more complicated than a normal jailbreak but its doable

On a 3G and 2G yes. On a 3GS you cant JB a stock 3.1.3
You can update from a JB 3.1.2 to a custom JB 3.1.3 IPSW with a 3GS.

 

[ViViDboarder]

I was going to write a response... but after reading this I'm not even going to put in the effort...

My face spent most of the time directly planted into my palm.

 

[pixelated]

I'm not really sure what you are really saying in this post. Are you agreeing with the OP or agreeing with the jb groups' decisions?

By OP, i meant the post i quoted from. The original post i don't agree with.

Do you really need proof that the new iphone will sell alot more than any iphone 3GS sales now with 3.1.3 10 months since its release?
If we judge by previous years where sales have increased from the 2G to the 3G and the 3GS have you can see the pattern accelerated sales will continue. It will most likelly sell more than the 3GS in total. Common sense.

You should re-read what i originally quoted and my reply to Latinist. Since when does July sales mean all future sales.

 

[ngenerator]

Ha, this whole thread reminds me of Matt Damon schooling that guy in the bar in Good Will Hunting.

Wat's ya major, dude?

I was going to write a response... but after reading this I'm not even going to put in the effort...

My face spent most of the time directly planted into my palm.

As are most of ours... Gotta love the econ kids who try to rationalize why the tools should be released now. Go back to school and learn a real subject

 

[GFLPraxis]

Otherwise we might lose the chance to jailbreak the new iPhone. What's a few months?

A lot of us are sitting with bricked iPhones. My mother broke her iPhone, and the replacement we got has 05.12.01 firmware and can't be unlocked...and we're on T-Mobile. So, we're stuck.

 

[labman]

Well

A lot of us are sitting with bricked iPhones. My mother broke her iPhone, and the replacement we got has 05.12.01 firmware and can't be unlocked...and we're on T-Mobile. So, we're stuck.

I get a dummy phone for now because I'm pretty sure your going to be waiting till 4.0 is officially released before you see the next jb/ul and Dev-team and Hotz are kind of annoyed with people bugging them.

 

[Applejuiced]

A lot of us are sitting with bricked iPhones. My mother broke her iPhone, and the replacement we got has 05.12.01 firmware and can't be unlocked...and we're on T-Mobile. So, we're stuck.

That's a risk you take when u jb and unlock a US iPhone.
A jailbreak doesn't mean we will definetelly get a baseband unlock also. Those are alot harder to come by.

 

[sinsin07]

A lot of us are sitting with bricked iPhones. My mother broke her iPhone, and the replacement we got has 05.12.01 firmware and can't be unlocked...and we're on T-Mobile. So, we're stuck.

If your mother did her own jailbreak and unlock, then those are the breaks, no pun intended.

If someone recommended this method to her, that was silly. There is no guarantee for a jailbreak or unlock.

 

[rwilliams]

While I understand the frustration of users on 3.1.3 not being able to jailbreak their devices, it would be incredibly stupid of anyone to release a jailbreak now before Apple actually releases OS 4.0. That gives Apple time to analyze the security hole that was exploited and close it up before 4.0 hits the streets. 3.1.3 is not a big enough update to the iPhone OS to risk Apple closing up that same hole in 4.0 (assuming they have no idea what vulnerability is being exploited). 4.0 is a much bigger deal than 3.1.3, so all you can do at this point is be patient.

A lot of us are sitting with bricked iPhones. My mother broke her iPhone, and the replacement we got has 05.12.01 firmware and can't be unlocked...and we're on T-Mobile. So, we're stuck.

Does she have any old T-Mobile phones she can use in the meantime? Whenever I buy a new phone, I never throw out the last one I used just in case something happens.

 

[rwilliams]

Sorry for the double post.