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Yeah, you will look far less "goofy" in your AVP. 🤣
People initially laughed at the AirPod's appearance, and Apple has owned the design and it's now regarded as iconic and synonymous with Apple.

Because it's Apple, there is a higher chance of the vision pro being seen as "cool" and people being willing to be seen in public with it, thanks to the power of their branding. It's cachet Facebook simply doesn't have.

I feel that Apple is right to begin at the high end with a headset offering significant capability and utility and then work on product line expansion (i.e. lower pricing) over time. It also helps that the vision pro is designed to also work with other users who don't own the same device (eg: you can use your AVP to FaceTime someone without the AVP).

This is in direct contrast to Facebook trying to go for mass market appeal by lowering headset pricing (they probably aren't making much on hardware margins) rather than focusing on offering features and utility that people crave and would be willing to pay up for via high-priced headsets.

Either way, I don't think the secret to cracking the VR market is by offering low-cost devices that don’t do a whole lot.
 
Meta ads: People happy and moving.
Apples headset ads: people sad sitting down.

There is a winner here.

I bought the quest 2 with the intention of returning after I saw Apple’s presentation. I thought it was trash but I wanted to try anyways. Months later, I still have it and I think is amazing. It has most of the feature Apple announced. (At least the ones I like) for $299
 
Why do you think they’re so obviously similar? Because they’re both geared towards gaming? What would you compare to AVP?
Because both are used for gaming with similar specs (when tethered to a gaming machine, be it PC or a console). I bet 99% of the Meta Quest market share are VR gamers on Steam.
 
A very nice VR headset for games.

An alternative to the Vision Pro if your primary interest is low poly games.
 
AR is used to aid surgeons in cardio-thoracic surgeries. This isn't news.

He didn't say AR.

He said virtual surgery. Which is hilarious.

Don't shift goal posts when people are saying absolutely dumb tech jargon.

The virtual tourism stuff he imagined is an absolute nightmare. The things that would happen would be worse than all the trolling, stalking and perversions we see already.
 
So what can I do with this general purpose computer? Apple doesn’t seem to know, but perhaps you do?
I guess the hour long presentation on what you can do with it wasn't convincing. So why do you want people on the internet to explain it to you when you have gone out of your way not to "get it". It's probably going to flop but that a different problem form I dont know what it's for. Apple tried to show you what they think it's for.
 
Virtual surgery?

LOL.

Surgeons already perform the highest level of precision possible. There is no 'higher level' from putting on a 3D helmet.
You do know that a huge proportion of surgeries are now done "virtually" correct? With robots being controlled virtually?
 
Quest 3 and Vision Pro are certainly the same category of product, with many common features/abilities.

Whatever it is that makes Vision Pro 7x more expensive, that is something Apple hasn't translated clearly to the public. And the ones willing to put all their faith in Apple are praying hard that Vision Pro will be worth it and not end up as the Peloton of VR/AR headgear.
Yet the people who have tested all the existing AR headsets (including ones far beyond the Quest 3) said it was like nothing they have ever experienced.

I think apple is ok with extremely modest numbers for a long time in this category. Tiny numbers. Numbers that will look pathetic.
 
Their ad showing dad wearing these at their kid's birthday (!!!!!) is really all you need to see why this will never ever work. What dad wants to miss their kids birthday? What dad wants to be there, but not actually see their kid, and instead observe an image of the kid. Apple is failing hard at "human".
People went over this already to death. Dads have been behind giant cameras for over 50 years. This isn't a big deal to anyone. But....the iPhones can now capture 3D and apple couldn't show that in their ads so in the future my guess is that is what we will see.
 
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Most abdominal surgeries, most gynecological surgeries, many oropharynx surgeries, increasingly thoracic surgeries, many male pelvic surgeries. Yes, a lot of them. I guess I dont have specific numbers but it's increasing every year.

You have posted a link to robotic sugerical appliances.

These are not 'virtual surgeries'. Virtual implies remoteness.

All surgeries require a medical profession present for the operation, which is what the devices you linked to require. Do you really think patients are to sedate themselves and cut themselves open and care for themselves in an operating theater?

Man VR people suck.
 
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I am wondering if it could for example simulate a 8 30" inch monitor setup for traders.

In my mind, they're thinking, this is like the best monitor ever, except better because while it can simulate you infinite monitor screens all at once, it can also do many other things monitors can't even do.

This is how they're justifying it to themselves, to the board, and in their corporate meetings. They're thinking they are inventing something totally new....

The only flaw in their plan is that nobody in their right mind wants to run around with massive bulky goggles - or even smaller goggles - or any kind of blindfold.

So these aspirational ideas are dead on arrival - it's not going to work no one will use this.

Their ad showing dad wearing these at their kid's birthday (!!!!!) is really all you need to see why this will never ever work. What dad wants to miss their kids birthday? What dad wants to be there, but not actually see their kid, and instead observe an image of the kid. Apple is failing hard at "human".
The only flaw in your thinking is that people "run around" with macbooks and mac studio's and don't use them at a desk or table within their own homes. The vision pro isn't replacing the iPhone. It is replacing the Mac. Literally zero promo shots of the Vision Pro had it in use in public - the closest to it was someone using it in an open office at work, which I think will be a valid use case.

The ad use case is already solved, the 15 Pro can take spatial video.
 
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You have posted a link to robotic sugerical appliances.

These are not 'virtual surgeries'. Virtual implies remoteness.

All surgeries require a medical profession present for the operation, which is what the devices you linked to require. Do you really think patients are to sedate themselves and cut themselves open and care for themselves in an operating theater?

Man VR people suck.
I think some people delude themselves by watching too many Sci-Fi movies.

This is still quite a way off. 🤣

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There’s too much tribalism us vs them nonsense on this thread.

How about we acknowledge (like grownups) that Meta has had a strong head start in VR. AND, also consider that Apple getting into the market can only be a good thing.

If Quest 2 was any indication, Quest 3 will be extremely successful with these upgrades. Let’s hope that the $500 tag keeps Apple on their toes and forces them to deliver on both price and quality in the future.
 
We all know what industry tipped the scales in the BetaMax vs VHS format wars.

Wonder if the same industry will play a role in the AR/VR wars.
 
He didn't say AR.

He said virtual surgery. Which is hilarious.

Don't shift goal posts when people are saying absolutely dumb tech jargon.

The virtual tourism stuff he imagined is an absolute nightmare. The things that would happen would be worse than all the trolling, stalking and perversions we see already.

Goal posts? I didn't realize goal posts were established.

And by the way... virtual surgery is hardly hilarious as it has been used for quite a few years as an effective tool in training surgeons, in addition to using cadavers.

VR has its place in many applications. That said, I believe Apple's strength with AVP will be more aligned with AR applications. And as I've been saying all along, VR will come along for the ride.
 
You have posted a link to robotic sugerical appliances.

These are not 'virtual surgeries'. Virtual implies remoteness.

All surgeries require a medical profession present for the operation, which is what the devices you linked to require. Do you really think patients are to sedate themselves and cut themselves open and care for themselves in an operating theater?
I guess we are using virtual differently. The doctor is not doing the surgery with his hands. He is looking at a specialized screen using a ... essentially a "controller" to manipulate the robot. He could be in the next room or the next building. It doesn't make a difference and both have been done but in the majority the doctor is present initially but does the surgery separated by the pt on the machine.

I never said any of the things silly things you are saying. Of course they are silly right now. It doesn't mean that the surgery isn't done in a virtual manner by the surgeon who is doing the surgery over a screen using a robot.

It sure feels like sci-fi when you dont know anything about it..but it's pretty commonplace now. Your local hospital in a city with a population above 100K most likely has one.
 
This is a cheap plastic toy compared to Vision Pro.
well yeah..... its made for playing games and costs 7 times less lol. If it wasn't made by such a scummy company that peddles in collecting and selling your data, then it would be a pretty cool device.
 
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