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Meta and Apple have a different goal in mind for their products:
Meta: Metaverse as a social universe. Their source of revenue is not based on selling devices but services that can help them with their data mining. That’s why they are angry at Apple for pushing hard towards user privacy.

Apple: AR/VR device as a productivity tool with app consumption and as an entertainment device. Social interactions needed for data mining are not in their plans, except for regular communications that don’t compromise user privacy. In plain words, Apple is not pushing for a “metaverse-like” environment.

That’s why comparing both products don’t make much sense. Each has its main purpose.
That’s why we never heard of surgeons using Quests to operate on patients, or engineers designing high precision machinery using a Quest.
Two products aimed at different markets.
Are surgeons using AVP?
 
Out of the gate are there alternate marketplaces on HorizonOS? A way of activating the device without going through Meta’s servers?
 
A mediocre operative system that is focused on the wrong thing (gaming and VR controllers) while trying to push cartoonish avatars into business meetings. I don't know Mark...
These are things that have ensured the Quest headsets outsell other headsets by an absolutely massive margin.
There is barely anything to do with Vision pro, ooh you can watch youtube or disney for a bit like every other VR headset, write a few documents in VR which noone will do. then after charging it because the seperate battery is already dead it becomes a $3500 dust magnet.

Gaming is the primary focus for VR headsets, this product is dead without access to good software. Meta will also win because it has one massive advantage over apple, you can connect to a PC and have access to countless VR software. (plus the controllers, massive fail for apple there too)
 
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This product category is kind of a dead end in its current form, but I will never, ever, ever use another product made by Meta. If they have a total monopoly over the category and almost all of society's business requires the use of one, I'll live off the grid.
They don't have monopoly, but they are way aherad of the game because most other people make rubbish headsets that cost too much money and/or don't even have controllers to interact. You limit a lot of customers when you make it rely on hand/finger gestures alone.
 
Gaming and porn will be the main drivers for mass adoption of these things.

It's not going to be because they're great for business meeting.
Of course, it will be more than not of that segment of the porn-addicted people. As for business solutions, it will work.
 
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This and soon to be revealed Android XR will kill Vision pro for good.

All these devices for under $1000, Apple really thought people would spend $4000 with tax for a gimmick headset during the current cost of living crisis.

I noticed macrumors not reporting on the massive slump in sales for vision pro as well compared to other sites.

Will Apple learn lessons from this? No, they never do and double down on stupidity and greed.
 
This and soon to be revealed Android XR will kill Vision pro for good.

All these devices for under $1000, Apple really thought people would spend $4000 with tax for a gimmick headset during the current cost of living crisis.

I noticed macrumors not reporting on the massive slump in sales for vision pro as well compared to other sites.

Will Apple learn lessons from this? No, they never do and double down on stupidity and greed.
Short sighted. What makes you think the Pro is all they have on the roadmap ?

The initial pricing is 100% part of the strategy. It's called anchoring.
 
This and soon to be revealed Android XR will kill Vision pro for good.

All these devices for under $1000, Apple really thought people would spend $4000 with tax for a gimmick headset during the current cost of living crisis.

I noticed macrumors not reporting on the massive slump in sales for vision pro as well compared to other sites.

Will Apple learn lessons from this? No, they never do and double down on stupidity and greed.

Short sighted. What makes you think the Pro is all they have on the roadmap ?

The initial pricing is 100% part of the strategy. It's called anchoring.

I think the best we can say is that if AR/VR ever becomes an actual thing, it's still way too early to tell who would actually win that race.

It might as well be Apple, although I think people tend to overstate how much their success in the smartphone space would translate over into new device categories. Microsoft Windows won the desktop race by margins the iPhone doesn't reach in its strongest markets and still has absolutely nothing to show for in the smartphone space.

The Mac was extremely strong out of the gate and still lost to Windows, not least because it was extremely expensive compared to PC that simply were good enough.

Also as a general point, the companies dominating smartphones operating systems now were both completely new to that particular area, so who knows which systems any spatial computing devices might run on in the future.

I sincerely hope it's not going to be Meta, at least not while its main business model is data exploitation, but I'm not convinced it would be Apple either as long as they don't bring the price down fast.
 
Never understood why vision is isn’t more like MacOS than iPadOS. For a “spatial computer” they have hampered it out the gate. Meta is making a great business move here I think.
Battery life is the biggest thing I can think of. Its still a first gen device, and people seem to forget how many misses companies of all types have on first gen devices. I suspect 2.0 will be better as Apple realizes what people actually want to do...and finish making the device they demoed for 1.0. Its pretty clear though that the price tag is going to be a big problem, much like the original iPhone's was.
 
Yes, I was being a bit reductive and glib. When I say iPad apps, I mean more that they are iPad-class apps. For the most part they have the same limitations as iPad apps, and it looks like very few of them take advantage of the unique abilities afforded by VR.

I think the spatial computing aspect of it super cool! I like the idea of being able to freely place windows. But the mobile-class OS means I couldn't do my day job in it. I use Excel a lot, and there's a version of Excel on the Vision Pro, but it isn't fully featured with macros and scripts. I need a desktop file system. I need to use Python scripts I have written.

For professional use cases where the 3D aspect is important, such as architectural or automotive visualization, a VR headset connected to a high-powered GPU will almost always be a better option.

Agree but it wouldn’t matter. I’ve spent many a day 8-10 hours in excel. No way I’m wearing those goggles the whole time as well. But since we’re talking baby apps it doesn’t really matter.
 
A mediocre operative system that is focused on the wrong thing (gaming and VR controllers) while trying to push cartoonish avatars into business meetings. I don't know Mark...
I don’t think you’ve used a Quest recently. You’d probably be surprised.
 
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These are things that have ensured the Quest headsets outsell other headsets by an absolutely massive margin.
There is barely anything to do with Vision pro, ooh you can watch youtube or disney for a bit like every other VR headset, write a few documents in VR which noone will do. then after charging it because the seperate battery is already dead it becomes a $3500 dust magnet.

Gaming is the primary focus for VR headsets, this product is dead without access to good software. Meta will also win because it has one massive advantage over apple, you can connect to a PC and have access to countless VR software. (plus the controllers, massive fail for apple there too)

Metas big fear is Google/samsung not Apple. This is reason they’re letting others use meta os. It’s game over when Google does android vr and does the same thing. Except Google has their App Store. They make android. The only advantage meta has is a headstart and some games.

Meanwhile apple and avp are in a different realm trying to sell 3500+ headsets. Meta isn’t worried about Apple.

There may not be a prize to be won. Meta loses billions a year doing this. Is in a deep hole with an accumulated debt. They won’t make it back on this. Apple is focusing on a model to where it’s remotely financially feasible but still looks sort of improbable.
 
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Actually… no.

This photo doesn't prove what you want it to prove at all.

The original 1919 photo depicted a line of jobless men in Toronto who were reading the wanted ads in the local papers…

So… yeah. Maybe brush up on your history a bit?
There are a ton of photos of people buried in newspapers on the street, on the train, on park benches, etc.
 
Whatever Meta aspires to be, right now the Quest is a gaming console. And the Vision Pro is a device for running iPad apps.

Surgeons and engineers are better off with a headset connected to a PC.
Well, they are not. They don’t want to be attached to a PC, as you can read on the multiple reports available. The AVP allows them to do their job more freely and precise.
 
Meta is in a great position now - they just need to execute. Relying on Unity for tooling is a huge mistake - they need to get out some kind of "native" app framework and a consistent UI design guideline for third party apps to allow for productivity uses on the platform. And push these apps for users. I've owned a quest for 2 years and I don't have any "standard" productivity apps installed, as I haven't gone out of my way in their app store to find them.

Right now AVP stomps the Quest 3 in productivity tasks, it isn't even close. But the AVP is useless for gaming. A Meta partnership with Microsoft means they will have a lock on gaming. Games on Q3 are already great - eleven table tennis, walkabout mini golf, I expect you to die, star wars experiences, etc.
 
It's not going to be because they're great for business meeting.
Honestly, as someone who works from home and has a 10 month old, I think business/productivity could be an enormous thing for these headsets.

Working off a laptop, my daughter shouts or crawls into view pretty often during meetings. Or just grabs my laptop and screws with the keyboard. I know, background blurs and noise cancelling but... they don't work perfectly. And of course there's no solution for her touching the keyboard. Moving to a virtual keyboard and having the camera strapped straight to my face could make it so she can't hit random keys + can't wander into view.

(She is in daycare most of the time while I'm working, but not always.)

On the other hand, as others have said, it's absurdly dystopian.
 
Cue the EU pressing to make Apple allow it on Vision Pro when it's released in Europe
 
Cue the EU pressing to make Apple allow it on Vision Pro when it's released in Europe

Why? Not even the iPad has crossed the relevant thresholds, the VP seems miles and miles and miles away from being adopted widely enough to be captured by the DMA.
 
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I wan't to install this in an pair of Google Glass just so I can post and watch the Internet explode in comments.
 
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