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Metal Interface on Mail?
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i'm not sure why people are getting their panties in a knot here.
look at safari and how easy it was for someone to create a hack that allowed for a pinstripe UI. it's not like you can't change the UI of apple apps.
come on people, this OS is a version of unix/distant bastard cousin of linux. if it can be hacked it will.
i'm willing to wager money that if they do release this updated interface, someone will have a haxie within weeks.
look at safari and how easy it was for someone to create a hack that allowed for a pinstripe UI. it's not like you can't change the UI of apple apps.
come on people, this OS is a version of unix/distant bastard cousin of linux. if it can be hacked it will.
i'm willing to wager money that if they do release this updated interface, someone will have a haxie within weeks.
beatle888
macrumors 68000
wow i had no idea how many HATE the brushed metal. 😀 hehehe i am always on the minorities side hmmm, well i like that 😀 tells me im doing something right 😀
seriously though, the white trimmed windows with the strips is what i dont like, i prefer the grey. anyway, we can always use a mod to change things to our preference.
i know i know, "BUT I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO USE A MOD, IT SHOULD BE BUILT INTO THE OS."
why? to satisfiy you? what im saying is apple isnt going to satisfy everybody. however if you can prove that the majority doesnt like it apple MIGHT do something about it.
anyway, apple already stated that anything to do with the internet will be brush metal. damn dont have a link to it but i think its pretty well known.
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hmmm, maybe im wrong, i THOUGHT it was reserved for internet apps...but then what about sherlock and iMovie. guess im wrong.
seriously though, the white trimmed windows with the strips is what i dont like, i prefer the grey. anyway, we can always use a mod to change things to our preference.
i know i know, "BUT I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO USE A MOD, IT SHOULD BE BUILT INTO THE OS."
why? to satisfiy you? what im saying is apple isnt going to satisfy everybody. however if you can prove that the majority doesnt like it apple MIGHT do something about it.
anyway, apple already stated that anything to do with the internet will be brush metal. damn dont have a link to it but i think its pretty well known.
edit
hmmm, maybe im wrong, i THOUGHT it was reserved for internet apps...but then what about sherlock and iMovie. guess im wrong.
brushed metal is just a trend they are going through, or a phase more precisely. in a year from now it will be something different, but that year cant come soon enough because brushed metal is an eyesore, from a design aspect it completely sucks.
Stick with Aqua
Apple should dump the metal look period. The only apps that look good with the metallic look are quicktime and iTunes. Safari looks like crap with metal, so does iSync, iCal, iMovie, Address Book, etc... metal should be for media players ONLY!
The Metal look + colored icons = bad mix.
Apple is messing up something they got right the first an example of this the Show/Get info box... damn disclosure triangles
😡
I hope there's a way to get rid of the metal look on these apps it should be an option.
Originally posted by vniow
Ick, this is what it'll look like:
Apple should dump the metal look period. The only apps that look good with the metallic look are quicktime and iTunes. Safari looks like crap with metal, so does iSync, iCal, iMovie, Address Book, etc... metal should be for media players ONLY!
The Metal look + colored icons = bad mix.
Apple is messing up something they got right the first an example of this the Show/Get info box... damn disclosure triangles
😡
I hope there's a way to get rid of the metal look on these apps it should be an option.
Third party hacks and GUI mod's sloooooow X to a crawl 😡
First Party solution's PLEASE!
Some ideas:
http://www.geocities.com/juan_m
Awimoway
macrumors 68000
Can you give some reasons?
Personally, I think Aqua is a design nightmare. It's two metaphors at once--the pinstripe panels that look like nice wallpaper or bond paper--and the garish, lollipop-colored aqua widgets that seem to have nothing to do with pinstripe. They clash. It looks awful.
Brushed metal is easier on the eyes and does not clash as badly with the widgets (in graphite coloration at least), but even here I think they should change the buttons and scrollbar to something more metallic-looking, furthering the metaphor.
Maybe some peope think brushed metal looks cheesy because it reminds them of appliances from the 70s? Guess what folks--design tastes are cyclical, and brushed metal is now considered classy, not cheesy. If you think it looks cornball, you're probably showing your age (i.e. old enough to remember the era AND still be embarrassed by it).
Re: Re: how about speed...
i never said it didn't *work*...aside from its bizarre interface, it seems to work fine.
it just works verrrrry slowly...things that literally take less than a second in eudora can take up to 10-20 seconds in Mail. that's a major difference.
for instance, sort a mailbox with ~7,500 or so messages in it. highlight 100 emails and drag them to another inbox.
if you compare side by side with...well...any other email program, you'll see a noticeable speed difference.
if it was a small speed difference, i wouldn't be bitching...but from "instant" to 10 seconds? to do something simple like change from sort by subject to sort by date?
apple has proven that they can write fast software, now that they have released Safari. it's time for iCal and Mail to follow suit.
editing my post to put it on topic: i think the problem with the brushed metal is that it doesn't look like brushed metal. rather, it looks like grey stripes with a cheesy blend. my guess is that's why a lot of people don't like it. (hold some brushed metal next to your screen and you'll see what i mean.) but, as someone pointed out, it is nice to have windows that are draggable from anywhere.
i never said it didn't *work*...aside from its bizarre interface, it seems to work fine.
it just works verrrrry slowly...things that literally take less than a second in eudora can take up to 10-20 seconds in Mail. that's a major difference.
for instance, sort a mailbox with ~7,500 or so messages in it. highlight 100 emails and drag them to another inbox.
if you compare side by side with...well...any other email program, you'll see a noticeable speed difference.
if it was a small speed difference, i wouldn't be bitching...but from "instant" to 10 seconds? to do something simple like change from sort by subject to sort by date?
apple has proven that they can write fast software, now that they have released Safari. it's time for iCal and Mail to follow suit.
editing my post to put it on topic: i think the problem with the brushed metal is that it doesn't look like brushed metal. rather, it looks like grey stripes with a cheesy blend. my guess is that's why a lot of people don't like it. (hold some brushed metal next to your screen and you'll see what i mean.) but, as someone pointed out, it is nice to have windows that are draggable from anywhere.
alset
macrumors 65816
Here's another thought - I might like the metal interface if it wasn't so awkwardly implemented. I often notice that metal apps, such as iTunes and QT Player look nice only when they have a border. This was a handy feature in 9, and may serve to make the god-awful ugly Safari a contender in my browser experience.
Metal without a border is a sham. I would rather sacrifice a few pixels of real-estate by having a slightly larger window than hate my GUI. And, btw, I gotta say I hate metal with a fiery passion.
One last note - Apple obviously responds to user comments on forums across the web... perhaps they will notice the backlash against metal if enough people raise their voices.
Dan
Metal without a border is a sham. I would rather sacrifice a few pixels of real-estate by having a slightly larger window than hate my GUI. And, btw, I gotta say I hate metal with a fiery passion.
One last note - Apple obviously responds to user comments on forums across the web... perhaps they will notice the backlash against metal if enough people raise their voices.
Dan
Well, when apple came out with the imac, SJ stated that the i stood for internet. Guess he blew that out of the water awhile ago too. Just what does the i stand for now in all the i apps? Got me. It's just silly really.
Sorry but brushed metal and the form used by apple is not retro (70's) your thinking of stainless steel and chrome looks, not the same. and where else are you finding brushed metal that is considered classy, a car?
sorry but I dont compare the look and desing of software to cars, otherwise my Windows would be tinted. hahha, that was bad.
themes
Someone earlier mentioned Themes by Max Rudberg...I'd like to echo that it's very easy to theme your mac.
For those of you who like Brushed, he has a theme that will make it all so.
For those, like me, who got tired of Aqua, he has a beautiful, simple theme called Rhapsodized that has the elegance of OSX with the clean look of Rhapsody...best of all, brushed apps are retained, but toned-down considerably (except iTunes and Quicktime--for some reason).
Give it a try.
Someone earlier mentioned Themes by Max Rudberg...I'd like to echo that it's very easy to theme your mac.
For those of you who like Brushed, he has a theme that will make it all so.
For those, like me, who got tired of Aqua, he has a beautiful, simple theme called Rhapsodized that has the elegance of OSX with the clean look of Rhapsody...best of all, brushed apps are retained, but toned-down considerably (except iTunes and Quicktime--for some reason).
Give it a try.
as long as mail is improved, i don't care so much how it looks. it will look okay regardless - apple is king of elegant ui.
Oh, please!
I can't believe that so many have posted to this thread (now add one more). I was at Kinkos yesterday and they were having problems getting their scanner to work on some sweet looking Dell equipment. The guy scanned it finally on the old G-3 Mac they had that the designer in back would not let go of -- despite some paid agreement with Dell for this neat new equipment.
They were still rebooting XP Pro (Microshaft's latest and greatest) after the Mac had ONCE AGAIN paid for its keep.
The point of this is -- the Windoze world is still drooling over our OS (whether they admit it or not) and we are up in arms over a RELATIVELY meaningless GUI transition that will be here for the next year or so, maybe? If you don't like it then change it with Software.
I happen to LIKE the fact that the GUI is more closely representing my TiBook (after all, it is the YEAR OF THE LAPTOP). Some others would disagree. Oh well, MOVE ON!
I can't believe that so many have posted to this thread (now add one more). I was at Kinkos yesterday and they were having problems getting their scanner to work on some sweet looking Dell equipment. The guy scanned it finally on the old G-3 Mac they had that the designer in back would not let go of -- despite some paid agreement with Dell for this neat new equipment.
They were still rebooting XP Pro (Microshaft's latest and greatest) after the Mac had ONCE AGAIN paid for its keep.
The point of this is -- the Windoze world is still drooling over our OS (whether they admit it or not) and we are up in arms over a RELATIVELY meaningless GUI transition that will be here for the next year or so, maybe? If you don't like it then change it with Software.
I happen to LIKE the fact that the GUI is more closely representing my TiBook (after all, it is the YEAR OF THE LAPTOP). Some others would disagree. Oh well, MOVE ON!
That's what I don't like. Right now I am looking at a window (Safari) with a metal top that has rounded corners; but the left side is a blue line, and the right and bottom sides are blue, 3D scroll bars, with square corners. Mixed metaphors! Would you expect such a weird concoction from a company famed for the quality and consistency of its user interface?
And, for that matter, we can't select from a set of themes?! What's going on, are Apple and Microsoft trading places?!!
Duality...
For those of you who like brushed metal and hate/dislike Aqua, there's Duality + Max Rudburg. For those of us who like Aqua (or any other theme for that matter) and dislike brushed metal, we have to manual disable BM for each app in interface builder. (or use metallifizer which is only slightly better). I like my apps to stick with the aqua theme primarily because my duality themes don't apply to brushed metal apps. I like to pick ONE theme, and have all my apps look the same, and i DON'T want that theme to be brushed metal.
For those of you who like brushed metal and hate/dislike Aqua, there's Duality + Max Rudburg. For those of us who like Aqua (or any other theme for that matter) and dislike brushed metal, we have to manual disable BM for each app in interface builder. (or use metallifizer which is only slightly better). I like my apps to stick with the aqua theme primarily because my duality themes don't apply to brushed metal apps. I like to pick ONE theme, and have all my apps look the same, and i DON'T want that theme to be brushed metal.
simX
macrumors 6502a
Three steps
Step 1: Download and install developer tools, and open Interface Builder.
Step 2: Uncheck "Textured Window" from every window you don't want to be brushed metal.
Step 3: (insert Goldblum chuckle here) there's no step 3, there's no step 3!
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(Step 4: SHUT THE **** UP.)
I am SO SICK of hearing that brush metal sucks, that it looks cheesy, blah, blah, blah. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T USE IT. It's as simple as that. Apple has always made tons of choices for its users without really consulting them, and no one has complained -- I don't see how this one is any different. Hacks/workarounds have always come out, and this issue is also no different. Just follow the above 3 steps.
Plus, I really can't fathom how 1 inch of brushed metal in Safari can make it look bad. Yeesh, the brushed metal is only in the toolbar! That's all! I hardly even notice it anymore!
*shakes head* Some people.
Step 1: Download and install developer tools, and open Interface Builder.
Step 2: Uncheck "Textured Window" from every window you don't want to be brushed metal.
Step 3: (insert Goldblum chuckle here) there's no step 3, there's no step 3!
-----
(Step 4: SHUT THE **** UP.)
I am SO SICK of hearing that brush metal sucks, that it looks cheesy, blah, blah, blah. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T USE IT. It's as simple as that. Apple has always made tons of choices for its users without really consulting them, and no one has complained -- I don't see how this one is any different. Hacks/workarounds have always come out, and this issue is also no different. Just follow the above 3 steps.
Plus, I really can't fathom how 1 inch of brushed metal in Safari can make it look bad. Yeesh, the brushed metal is only in the toolbar! That's all! I hardly even notice it anymore!
*shakes head* Some people.
devtools
great! how do i get devtools without being an ADC member... and without paying for the cd?
great! how do i get devtools without being an ADC member... and without paying for the cd?