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Thanks for the clarification, and that does bring a bit of hope. I wonder though, on the AVP the pictures of visual video taking up a '1080 p window' of its own. So on the quest 2, which has a max overall resolution of 1080 p that will either be very immersive taking up the whole field of view, or would it potentially be scaled down into a window which obviously would not be 1080 p in size?

I am sure it will depend on how the person viewing it wants it scaled across their field of vision. Would be interesting to compare the perceived quality difference though. Spacial videos recorded on the iPhone are kneecapped somewhat anyway since only one of the cameras is 48MP for one eye and it has to crop into the 12MP sensor of the ultrawide camera for the second eye. The crop is the source of the 1080p limitation, but cropping in on that lens/sensor combo probably means you’re not getting 1080p resolution optically anyway. iPhone 16 Pro wide camera will probably have a new version of that smaller 48MP sensor from the main camera on the 15 because of this.
 
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A good thing. More adoption, more people buying iPhone 15 Pro, more people taking and using Spatial Video. Market grows.

Apple won't stop this.

Not going to happen. People are already playing spatial videos on Meta hardware. It's not a proprietary file format. Apps already exist to convert the spatial video files into other formats and load them on other devices.

Exactly. This is a good thing. We need more open formats and interoperability, not less.
 
Good to see another option to play Spatial video. With the cheaper price tag, one can try this out.
 
Given how cheap you can get a second hand iPhone that's a few years old, which still has an amazing camera.
I wonder if it's possible, using software, to basically tape two iPhones next to each other, at a greater distance, which matches human eye distance, and take two simultaneous video streams.
Then take those 2 seperate, MUCH higher quality video files and convert them into a 3D video stream?

For a few $100 you could probably get a 3D video VASTLY better than what Apple is offering on the latest iPhone using software tricks.
 
Lot of people hating on Meta and Quest 3 here. But you have to give Meta credit where it is due. Of course, the Vision Pro is unparalleled in terms of feature set. However, it’s nothing short of amazing how the Meta can do a lot of things that vison pro can do at a $500 price point. The price difference is just mind boggling. If it were any other electronics category, a cheaper device at even half the price would find consumers giving the alternate option credit saying “but it’s half the price”. Here the ratio is not half or 1/3rd or even 1/5th. It’s 1/7th!!

I can’t believe that folks here are calling out the quest for being plastic and proclaiming it a toy. That’s just being mean. At what price point would you find plastic acceptable? Is 1/7th the price not low enough? And perhaps all that metal on the Vision Pro is not necessarily a good thing. It makes it heavier despite having an external battery.

This is not to undermine the technical achievements of the Vision Pro. It is indeed a technical marvel, and Apple rightly deserves credit. Their engineering prowess just shines through with this device. All I’m saying is that one has to give the competition it’s due credit as well.

A lot of people will get interested in VR after the Vision Pro launch (at least I am). Unfortunately its price is out of reach for the majority of us. Also, it’s not a product in vacuum. Even if I could afford it, for my non-professional use, its purchase becomes unjustifiable after comparing it to Quest 3. I hope the category grows because of Vision Pro and that the Quest 3 finds some more success due to it. I do think they deserve it.
 
Given how cheap you can get a second hand iPhone that's a few years old, which still has an amazing camera.
I wonder if it's possible, using software, to basically tape two iPhones next to each other, at a greater distance, which matches human eye distance, and take two simultaneous video streams.
Then take those 2 seperate, MUCH higher quality video files and convert them into a 3D video stream?

For a few $100 you could probably get a 3D video VASTLY better than what Apple is offering on the latest iPhone using software tricks.
Interesting idea. But at that point why won’t you just buy a dedicated 3D camera. Good ones can be had for about $300 to $400.

The phone is always with you. If you had to carry another device for 3D videos, why would it be a second phone and presumably a jig to couple them together? And then you would have to do extra processing with two video streams. Assuming you wanting to do all that because you wanted better 3D video, why won’t you just use a 3D camera that can simply spit out a native 3D video file?
 
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This is pretty good, I've been recording loads of videos, mainly family, pets etc in spatial, to hopefully one day have some nice memories :) Trying to slightly future-proof!
 
I know people in here are saying Apple will not block what Meta is doing but at the end of the day, I believe Apple's intention for those interested in AR/VR is to have people buy an iphone 15 or iphone 15 pro max because of their capability of producing 'spatial' videos and then to purchase a Vison Pro to play the videos on. So that is basically the cost of a iphone 15 or 15 pro mx and the cost of a Vison Pro. Apple will not want people going out buying the much cheaper Meta Quest VR headset to show 'spatial' videos produced on the iphone 15 models.

Remember Tim Cook's quote about the issue of interoperability of messaging between iphone and Android users where he is quoted as saying 'buy your mum an iphone' if you want to communicate with android users. Well it will be the same with the iphone 15 'spatial' videos. Apple will find a way to block it so that the iphone 15 'spatial' videos can only be displayed on a Vison Pro and if people complain of wanting continued compatibility with Meta Quest VR headsets, Tim Cook would likely reply with 'Get your mum a Vison Pro is you want to watch 'spatial' videos.
 
I am sure it will depend on how the person viewing it wants it scaled across their field of vision. Would be interesting to compare the perceived quality difference though. Spacial videos recorded on the iPhone are kneecapped somewhat anyway since only one of the cameras is 48MP for one eye and it has to crop into the 12MP sensor of the ultrawide camera for the second eye. The crop is the source of the 1080p limitation, but cropping in on that lens/sensor combo probably means you’re not getting 1080p resolution optically anyway. iPhone 16 Pro wide camera will probably have a new version of that smaller 48MP sensor from the main camera on the 15 because of this.

Excellent points… right now all we have is the photo released by meta showing the spatial video occupying a small amount of the total available resolution.
 
Lot of people hating on Meta and Quest 3 here. But you have to give Meta credit where it is due. Of course, the Vision Pro is unparalleled in terms of feature set. However, it’s nothing short of amazing how the Meta can do a lot of things that vison pro can do at a $500 price point. The price difference is just mind boggling. If it were any other electronics category, a cheaper device at even half the price would find consumers giving the alternate option credit saying “but it’s half the price”. Here the ratio is not half or 1/3rd or even 1/5th. It’s 1/7th!!

I can’t believe that folks here are calling out the quest for being plastic and proclaiming it a toy. That’s just being mean. At what price point would you find plastic acceptable? Is 1/7th the price not low enough? And perhaps all that metal on the Vision Pro is not necessarily a good thing. It makes it heavier despite having an external battery.

This is not to undermine the technical achievements of the Vision Pro. It is indeed a technical marvel, and Apple rightly deserves credit. Their engineering prowess just shines through with this device. All I’m saying is that one has to give the competition it’s due credit as well.

A lot of people will get interested in VR after the Vision Pro launch (at least I am). Unfortunately its price is out of reach for the majority of us. Also, it’s not a product in vacuum. Even if I could afford it, for my non-professional use, its purchase becomes unjustifiable after comparing it to Quest 3. I hope the category grows because of Vision Pro and that the Quest 3 finds some more success due to it. I do think they deserve it.

Fair enough, I often say choice is a good thing and doesn't believe the whole world should be on Macs if some prefer a PC. And I agree the Meta fills a price niche the APV likely never will.

I think where some of us get caught up in the hate war is the pronouncement by some Meta enthusiasts that the Quest 3 is as good, and does the same things as the APV. Nope. Right now the Quest3 is actually better in games if you count quantity. But its not as good at pass through, nor stand alone computing obviously, nor does it have nearly the same visual qualities. Your post says, but it's good enough for me considering the price, and that seems reasonable.
 
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